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Old 04-01-2010, 07:34 PM   #601
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They can't kill themselves (a sin no less) but they can sacrifice themselves, as Charile and Michael have. Perhaps redemption?
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MIB can't kill them while they are on the Island, he needs them, he said he is 3 shy of getting on the plane aka off the Island, I'm still unsure as to whether that is what he REALLY plans to do - Also, if Widmore IS there to make sure he doesn't get off, why has he not destroyed the plane already?

So MIB needs the candidates, he needs their 'soul' their will their choice to be with him, which will give him all the 'power' and he will be able to leave. So won't kill them, and obviously Jacob doesn't want to either.
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Michael tried to kill himself. Twice.

He ran a car into a wall and lived.

He was going to shoot himself, and Tom Friendly stopped him. So SOMETHING stopped him. And Friendly explained it as the island not being done with him.. but I think it is just the same thing that Richard and Jack had done to them.

The whole point of that Richard trying to kill himself episode was to show that Jack was the same way. And I'm willing to bet that the rest of the people 'touched' by Jacob had the same thing happen to them as well.

Think of this too.. Locke was GOING to hang himself.. but SOMETHING intervened. He couldn't kill himself.
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Also, if Widmore IS there to make sure he doesn't get off, why has he not destroyed the plane already?
My guess would be that he'd more prefer to have MIB than to just stop him from leaving, I guess as to prevent any problems in the future.

Just a guess, but as always with this damn show, I'll be wrong
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Michael tried to kill himself. Twice.

He ran a car into a wall and lived.

He was going to shoot himself, and Tom Friendly stopped him. So SOMETHING stopped him. And Friendly explained it as the island not being done with him.. but I think it is just the same thing that Richard and Jack had done to them.

The whole point of that Richard trying to kill himself episode was to show that Jack was the same way. And I'm willing to bet that the rest of the people 'touched' by Jacob had the same thing happen to them as well.

Think of this too.. Locke was GOING to hang himself.. but SOMETHING intervened. He couldn't kill himself.
Good points. Much appreciated for answering that in what, less than a half hour?
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Richard cant kill himself as he cannot die in any way
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There's always been little bits like that though. It's not new to this season. For example, you can see Hurley when he won the lottery on the TV in Korea during a Jin/Sun flashback way back in season 1 I think..
sorry, should of clarified that I wanted to go back to the beginning and try to look for those little things.
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Ah, cool. Well there's one for ya.

Also just remembered that there is a picture of Eloise Hawking on the desk of the monk in the monastray that Desmond is at in one of his episodes.
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There has been nothing to indicate that though, and everything to indicate that he has more in common with our Losties.
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Richard said he never wants to die - he is more than often referred to as someone who 'doesn't age' - He said that he can't kill himself, but that someone else would have to do it for him.

I'm pretty sure MIB could kill him if he wanted to, especially if or when he becomes all powerful. And he will if MIB 'wins'. He will cease to exist.
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As someone who does not watch Lost I can only assume all this talk of "MIB" is in reference to Michael Ian Black, making this the mpost awesome show ever.

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jesus WTF

My DVR didnt tape this and I was soooo excited. When does ABC .com post new episodes?
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dude, it was a fucking awesome episode. they just keep getting better. I think they should have it up tomorrow
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My DVR didnt tape this and I was soooo excited. When does ABC .com post new episodes?
it will be up on hulu.com by tomorrow morning
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awesome

love Desmond. Great to see that other people are aware that things aren't right. Also.. the limo driver was the guy from the boat that came to the island who died because he didn't have a constant. Just in case anyone didn't notice that.
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nope, would of never noticed that. I don't even remember the guy or whay season that was from.

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Missed it last night but just watched it on ABC.com.

Goddamn what a great episode. Things have really ratcheted up since the Richard episode. It's probably going to be insanity from here on out

How many are left, 5 or 6?
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Missed it last night but just watched it on ABC.com.

Goddamn what a great episode. Things have really ratcheted up since the Richard episode. It's probably going to be insanity from here on out

How many are left, 5 or 6?
I believe there are 7 hours of Lost left. 5 episodes and then the 2 hour finale, so 6 episodes total.
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I wonder if the dead people Hurley talks to are crossing over from the alternate reality. C

harlie has seemed to been experiencing another reality, and remember when he visited Hurley in the mental hospital, Charlie told Hurley "He wasnt dead"
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love Desmond. Great to see that other people are aware that things aren't right. Also.. the limo driver was the guy from the boat that came to the island who died because he didn't have a constant. Just in case anyone didn't notice that.
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Damn, best episode of the season in my view

Do you think that Widmore sent Desmond to the alt-universe to bring back a bit of Desmond's pro-Widmore consciousness?

It seemed odd that he was suddenly happy to help out Widmore
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This weeks episode was pretty tame what I thought all the way through. Then the last dialogue between Desmond and Minkowski (I did notice) is what I predicted along the way with regard to what and how I think the realities will merge.

When he asked for the manifest, and when he told George why he wanted it, I got goosebumps on my back!
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Damn, best episode of the season in my view

Do you think that Widmore sent Desmond to the alt-universe to bring back a bit of Desmond's pro-Widmore consciousness?

It seemed odd that he was suddenly happy to help out Widmore
I think Desmond realized that things CAN be changed, and that's what made him want to help..
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Ok. So they kind of drop a bit onto us through Faraday that setting off the bomb created the alt verse.

I think not.

I think the Alt verse is created when MiB leaves the Island. He wins. Everyone tht everyone knows ceases to exist and is replaced by the alt verse. In this, the MIB gives everyone what they want.(But at a cost)

JAck is a good father
Claire has Aaron
Nadia is alive
Desmond has Widmores approval
Charlies band is still together

But what people want is not necessarily what is best for them and all. Desmond is going to help awaken people to their true lives, which they will see that helping the MIB wont give them what they want. they will then help the side of jacob.

Or something.
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I think Desmond realized that things CAN be changed, and that's what made him want to help..
To Desmond though, the reality where he was, was good for him. I agree that he realizes things can be changed. But I think it's more than that. Like Jack, through his experiences and realizations, he now knows something big is at work. He didn't seem to afraid to see or go with Sayid. I think there is more at work.
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Ok. So they kind of drop a bit onto us through Faraday that setting off the bomb created the alt verse.

I think not.

I think the Alt verse is created when MiB leaves the Island. He wins. Everyone tht everyone knows ceases to exist and is replaced by the alt verse. In this, the MIB gives everyone what they want.(But at a cost)

JAck is a good father
Claire has Aaron
Nadia is alive
Desmond has Widmores approval
Charlies band is still together

But what people want is not necessarily what is best for them and all. Desmond is going to help awaken people to their true lives, which they will see that helping the MIB wont give them what they want. they will then help the side of jacob.

Or something.
What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.
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What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.
I have never believed the bomb theory, since it alters things much farther back than the crash. Jack has a 14 year old son for christ sakes. Where did he come from?

I still think that they will say the Nuke got everyone back to the right time, and thats it.

I bet they throw all kinds of new shit at us next week. Lost doesnt care about answering old questions.
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What?

It was the bomb that altered and created an alternate universe. I feel as though it's too late for their to be another explanation as well as tie up the entire story and have everything fall into place.

I believe what he will 'show them', is what I suggested a few times during this new season. He is going to show them by getting them all together again. On a plane. The plane will end up 'crashing' and taking/merging everyone back on the Island, bringing back to life and whole again, John Locke.
What about charlie?

Nikki? Paulo? Charlotte? Daniel? Eko? Libby? Michelle Rdoriguez?

Are their bodies going to just come backto life underground/water too?

There is no make Locke whole, his body isnt MIB.
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What about them? They all have their place in the new alternate reality. But they do not matter this time round because they have already played their part the first time round (the events on and off Island that lead to the point we are at now) - The people on the plane Desmond needs to show something are the main people - the candidates.

Just because The Island is underwater, I'm sure The Island is still very much an entity with power.

If things go the way I suggest - Say another Plane flies over the Pacific, a white flash occurs, it will be The Island taking them from the alternate reality, and placing them BACK on the Island where Jack and co are now. Bringing the alive, alternate Locke back would possibly force MIB out of Locke's body and bring back the real Locke. He has a body, he is capable of touching things and physically being there.
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You say their part has played out...well so has Lockes. I dont get where you are ocming from with this Locke Resurrection stuff.

Locke is dead. His body is buried. MIB just looks like him. He used him as a puppet.

I get where you are coming from sort of, but if you want to say locke is coming back, so is everyone. If not, it will combine the realities, with Locke still being dead.
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I guess so, but Jacob had the power to bring Locke back to life, so I believe The Island will also. Whether that's because MIB 'broke the rules' or not, I dunno. But I just believe Locke, the real Locke has more of a role to play. Other than Jack, I think he is the only other person to take over Jacob. I guess I just want him to come back I'm looking for possible ideas.

Regardless, what Desmond will do, its going to be something big.
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