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Old 05-03-2016, 11:44 PM   #81
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Like R Truth? Or swagger?

You are confusing getting people to join in a chant as being a draw or being over

Plenty of shit acts can get the crowd involved for the sake of being part of a chant
Yeah like Daniel Bryan. He was only over bc of the YES! and NO! chants.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:45 PM   #82
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Just look at him...THE RYBACK had muscles on muscles and XBOX knows whats up
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:45 PM   #83
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Ryback's such a lock for TNA they already owe him back pay.
For some reason, I couldn't leave rep. Requoting in lieu of it.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:47 PM   #84
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"OMG what's RACK-BY doing on the whatever the hell lol TNA's show is called"
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:48 PM   #85
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I feel so sad about this. This is like when Eddie died.
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:48 PM   #86
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:49 PM   #87
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Old 05-03-2016, 11:56 PM   #88
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:02 AM   #89
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lets count it down

Shitty look with gear and Merch
Short height for his style compared to his peers
Great muscle look but crap functional strength compared to his peers
Below average work rate compared to peers
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Weak move set compared to his peers
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History of injuring co workers

It's all the Wwes fault no one cares about him. Meanwhile zach Ryder is still over like rover despite poor booking, but ryback, that's all on the wwe right?

Guys a joke and this whole argument is shit.

The wwe will pay what you are worth to them, nothing more. He's not drawing money, and this is a a business. Always has been always will be. Guys who put asses in seats get paid. If you aren't doing it, you don't. Booking aside, don't like it get a new deal elsewhere.
Say it again for the cheap seats!!! This dude gets its
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:03 AM   #90
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Old 05-04-2016, 01:01 AM   #91
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Old 05-04-2016, 01:19 AM   #92
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When he signs with LOL TNA, he should be called THE RYBOCK--a paler, more hopped version generally made for consumption at spring festivals. BEER ME MORE!!
Or he could have a gimmick of going to a different 7-Eleven every week and getting a Slurpee...they could dub him "The Big Gulp".
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Old 05-04-2016, 01:21 AM   #93
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That's a shame. He just had 2 matches I really liked and I was beginning to come around on him.
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The point is doing the job you signed a contract to do.
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Ryback's looking out for the little guy is probably a little disingenuous considering it was his cosmic dream to get to the top of the card, and now he needs a story as to why he '"'mutually'"' went home. Unfortunately wrestling fans proved after Punk left that many of them are like Hanso here and really really love corporate authority so would eat him alive for any sign that he might quit. So now its a crusade
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Old 05-04-2016, 08:19 AM   #96
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I can't say I'll miss seeing him on TV....He's absolutely right in the majority of what he is saying, but I think he's over-estimating the amount of popularity he has... I don't imagine there will be any Ryback chants a la the "CM Punk" chants we hear every show in the big markets.....

However, to be fair to him as a performer, he wasn't exactly given the best of opportunities creatively to reach that level either.... He had his 3 months on top versus Punk, then the writers seemed to give up on him....Same as Zack Ryder....
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If its anything like a few recent gaming cases, WWE probably claiming potential trademark confusion if he's allowed to own it and they have something similar in nature.

Either that or the idea of anything done while employed with a company belongs to the company and not the individual unless they gave him permission to own it.
He's not an employee of the company he is an independent contractor.
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Old 05-04-2016, 08:38 AM   #98
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I can't say I'll miss seeing him on TV....He's absolutely right in the majority of what he is saying, but I think he's over-estimating the amount of popularity he has... I don't imagine there will be any Ryback chants a la the "CM Punk" chants we here every show in the big markets.....
You mean Goldberg chants.
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How can they win it if he filed it first? Hope Ryback wins.
To acquire ownership of a trademark, it is not enough to have invented the mark first or even to have registered it first; the party claiming ownership must have been the first to actually use the mark in commerce.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:03 PM   #100
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I want this whole thing to end up just being Ryback next-level trolling CM Punk
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:04 PM   #101
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Then he can bump it up another level by debuting in UFC before Punk does
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:18 PM   #102
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That would be cool, but I think it would be cooler if it was legit and than Kalisto starts trolling Ryback fans by saying "Dame mas comida"
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:26 PM   #103
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Couldn't care either way if he stays or goes. He's better off staying as I don't imagine he'd be able to use the Ryback name anywhere else. Don't feel like Ryan Reeves would be a big draw for small promotions with out the Ryback gimmick but I could be wrong. Maybe that what the trademark issue is about, he wants to leave and be The Big Guy Ryan Reeves and retain some of that character.
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Ryan Reeves is like a super hero name.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:28 PM   #105
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But yeah I'm definitely on Team Ryback here. I get what he is saying. I don't think he's actually saying he needs to make the same amount of money as, say, Brock Lesnar over the course of the year. That would be absurd. He doesn't seem to be against the idea of downsides or guarantees.

If you need to guarantee Brock $5 million to secure him for a year, great. But when it comes to the payout for a specific match, why should he get more? He's already got a significantly higher guarantee and, as he will win most of his matches, he'll get a lot more merch money than someone who loses constantly.
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I hope those jobbers Ryback was beating for 3 months straight were paid the same as him.
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The wrestlers really need a union to take care of shit like this. Hell might even please some shareholders were a union to be formed.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:37 PM   #108
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I agree, for their health reasons.
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Old 05-04-2016, 12:43 PM   #109
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I hope those jobbers Ryback was beating for 3 months straight were paid the same as him.
Even if they were, why would that even bother him? He'd still have the guaranteed portion of his contract and would have another match the next night in the next day. Why would he care what the wrestling equivalent of a day laborer made that one night?
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Old 05-04-2016, 01:02 PM   #110
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I dunno, Ryback said this isn't about money so why are we talking about it?
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Old 05-04-2016, 02:01 PM   #111
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Anyone with a 12-26 PPV record has an uphill struggle to get over, I don't care who you are.

Zack Ryder is a charity case at this stage, and his support comes from sympathy.

A "monster", the Ryback that debuted, if he had been running through people like Reigns is now, would be over and would be making big money.
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Old 05-04-2016, 02:03 PM   #112
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Also he clearly suggested that base pay should be the same, but that merchandise and the like could separate the top guys.

I think his problem is that there are no guarantees for those that lose. They lose, they lose, their stock drops, and they are released.
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Old 05-04-2016, 02:12 PM   #113
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The absolute dumbest thing that the WWE did with RyBack was have his feud with CM Punk continue after the HAIC match.
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Old 05-04-2016, 03:28 PM   #114
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In what aspect did ryback improve from his debut? Had his ring work gotten better?had his mic skills? Had his stupid catchphrase gotten better? The only thing that elevated in the last couple of years was his immaturity.

This guy was jobbed out because the company saw he didn't draw
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Old 05-04-2016, 03:28 PM   #115
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In regards to money, seems like Ryback is arguing for something similar to a real league minimum done in sports. Not just everyone gets an equal amount for a base salary but everything the WWE makes wrestlers cover on their own is included.

For some comparisons, NXT base salaries are around the $25k range but WWE covers everything to ensure its a comfortable amount. On the main roster, the base salary is a lot larger but huge chunks are eaten away by travel, room, and food expenses since the WWE covers very little. Hurts the lower tier wrestlers a lot more than the upper mid and top tier stars.

Combine that with house shows and merch being the bulk of money earned by most wrestlers, makes sense why someone like a Ryback or an Adam Rose would be upset whenever things that are hurting their potential money if happening. Rose lashed out because his punishment is taking away valuable house show money while Ryback lashed out because his merch sales have been dropping while the WWE has been devaluing his potential star value.
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Old 05-04-2016, 03:41 PM   #116
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I'm not a fan of Ryback but he has some points.

The idea that "only the best get over" isn't necessarily true; look at Reigns, he's been positioned as a big star despite his many flaws as a performer. Is he any better than Ryback at anything in particular? Or has he been presented/booked/positioned in a way that puts him a level above Ryback?
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So in other words punk 2 years ago said, the system is broken. The machine is too big and you can't fix it because stubborn people who don't give a shit about a spoke on the wheel run the machine. So you might as well throw your hands up and remove yourself from the situation if you can't fix it.

Now ryback is saying......oh yeah the same thing
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Old 05-04-2016, 04:28 PM   #118
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I guess he's Ryback where he started from.
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In what aspect did ryback improve from his debut? Had his ring work gotten better?had his mic skills? Had his stupid catchphrase gotten better? The only thing that elevated in the last couple of years was his immaturity.

This guy was jobbed out because the company saw he didn't draw
He is much better in the ring and much better on the mic. Plus he has way more presence
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