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Old 06-24-2012, 09:38 PM   #481
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Vicky Venom loved my forum posts around the world and supported me 100%,,, she would never want me to quit posting and she was actually going to make a new account here to post with me before her stroke,,,RIP baby I miss u love u bunches smoochie boochies from the man
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:45 PM   #482
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You obviously don't know Vicky Venom that well, then. I knew her fairly well from a few message boards here and there, and I don't think she would approve of your trolling. You are soiling her legacy. Great job.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:46 PM   #483
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why are you two talking as if she isn't around? she is. still very big and still using a lot of oxygen. but she claims she is happier because she says she is with a real 'man' now and not a false patriot like tnarick
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:48 PM   #484
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You obviously don't know Vicky Venom that well, then. I knew her fairly well from a few message boards here and there, and I don't think she would approve of your trolling. You are soiling her legacy. Great job.
I AINT TROLLIN AND YOU NEVER KNEW VICKY VENOM SO KEEP HER F---IN NAME OUT YO MOUTH,,
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:49 PM   #485
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tell her to keep me out of her mouth

oh wait she left you because she knew the 'truth' about you
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:49 PM   #486
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Keep dodging the facts and making up excuses dude,,, u just got owned,,,
What facts have I dodged you Moron.

FACT: Vince Russo did not make Vince Mcmahon as you stated.

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Name the mega stars WWE have created since Russo left,,, oh ya u cant do that either cuz there are none,,,,,

RUSSO MADE ROCK UNDERTAKER SCSA MICKFOLEY DX VINCE MCMAHON,,,,,

FACT: Hulk Hogan is and always will be the biggest name in wrestling.

FACT: Vince Mcmahon created Hulk Hogan.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:49 PM   #487
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His nuts. In her mouth.

Where is "My Nuts" when you need him?
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:51 PM   #488
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FACT RUSSO CREATED THE VINCE MCMAHON CHARACTER

Fact he created all the attitude era characters and wrote the storylines,,, all vince mcmahon ever did was approve them to go on the show,,, NO UR FUC-ING ROLL u little meltzer sheeo before u play wit da big boyz
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:52 PM   #489
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I AINT TROLLIN AND YOU NEVER KNEW VICKY VENOM SO KEEP HER F---IN NAME OUT YO MOUTH,,
We were actually pretty close e-friends.

In memory of her, please, get help my friend.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:54 PM   #490
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I swear to f---ing god you beter not have been talking to my wife ,,,,,, whats your name whats your aol name
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:56 PM   #491
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She was your wife? Hmmm... coulda sworn she said she was single.
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:56 PM   #492
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Because I dont have to prove jack,,,,, everyone with a brain knows your using your other accounts to vote there is no way in hell you would have beat me if you didnt,,, now im going to campaign against you UNTIL YOUR LOSE ,,,,,so get ready to lose this whole thing because im gonna make sure EVERYONE VOTES AGAINST OWENBROWN ,,,,

Dont forget guys next round vote against owenbrown!!!!!!
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:57 PM   #493
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Old 06-24-2012, 09:58 PM   #494
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FACT RUSSO CREATED THE VINCE MCMAHON CHARACTER

Fact he created all the attitude era characters and wrote the storylines,,, all vince mcmahon ever did was approve them to go on the show,,, NO UR FUC-ING ROLL u little meltzer sheeo before u play wit da big boyz
Keep drinking that Kool-Aid Man.


If you truly believe Vince Mcmahon had nothing to do with the attitude era except approve scripts. You have no use being a fan of wrestling. If Russo is so great and the only reason for the big boom of Wrestling why has he been FIRED from every Wrestling organization that mattered?

WWF- Fired
WCW- Fired
WWE- Fired
TNA- Fired
TNA again a few years later - Now Fired

hmm yea he sure is great alright
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:01 PM   #495
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Martin,,, prove you talked to her post online chat transcripts
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:02 PM   #496
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:05 PM   #497
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TNA(P)RICK I don't know if you're on cocaine, meth, or whatever the fuck it is you're on but you seriously need to go to rehab or something. You're fucked up in the head. Especially when it comes to this whole Russo bullshit.
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:06 PM   #498
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:07 PM   #499
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Kinda seems pointless to be honest. How do you know I'm not making it up?

Anyways, Vicky (who's real name I won't post, for privacy reasons), was such a sweet, sweet person. I felt really sad knowing she'd died because I never had a chance to meet her in person. But seeing as you seem to know her also, I feel I should help you, and you most certainly need help.

But if you want to keep threatening people online, trolling internet message boards and generally being a dick, well, I know Vicky certainly wouldn't approve of that kind of behaviour, hence why you're soiling her legacy, going around showing off your association to her, really makes her look bad.

Weird that you referred to her as "your wife" though. She told me she was all alone.
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Voted for Owen cause he actually posts.
Quit voting for owen,,, vote against him every round he is trying to cheat,,,
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Old 06-24-2012, 10:32 PM   #503
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Dude dont even get me started on Jskiff from wrestleconnect,,, I have my legal team right now that are going to get him for posting my online information to the public and private conversations,,
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I absolutely think the Attitude era still would have happened. Some of those Russo interviews shed some light on how it happened in the first place, if they're true. Russo and his backers believed that they needed to do something drastic because too many fans were becoming aware of the backstage politics and such. He seemed to indicate that the attitude transformation had nothing to do with WCW and its popularity at the time. It almost makes sense though because that era really didn't kick into high gear until '98 or so. The nWo had been around for nearly two years already and was getting stale fast.

Nice post steve,, you are correct,,, wrestling and the attitude era are because of vince russo,,, if he never came into wrestling there would be ZERO promotions alive except the small armory indy shows,,,
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GUYS QUIT VOTING FOR OWENBROWN!!!!! The guy is the worst on this board we need to work together and vote against him until hes eliminated,,, help get him out of this thing
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Sonny Siaki Talks About Early TNA Career

Added on Saturday, July 16th, 2011 at 6:49 pm to Latest News by William B. West

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He’s the ace in your face and our favorite Elvis. Now, former X-Division Champion Sonny Siaki joins James Guttman for a rare 44 minute shoot interview on ClubWWI.com about his wrestling career in the ring and his amazing story outside of it with talk about everything including the role WWE played in his WCW release, memories of his partner Eki “Umaga” Fatu, comparisons to the Rock, confusion over the Flying Elvises gimmick, competing in Chris Candido’s tragic last match and the stunning aftermath, and tons more. For a full list of topics, head to: http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am....nny_Siaki.shtml

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Few fans may realize Sonny Siaki’s story of retirement from the ring is an uplifting one. A staunch believer that family comes first, Sonny donated a kidney to his brother when no other family members were a match. Years later, his brother is doing great but Siaki had to give up in-ring competition following the surgery. Sonny talks about his family life throughout the interview including an upcoming appearance they have on Family Feud. Although years removed from the ring, he hasn’t missed a beat as the former Ace in Your Face is now providing a service he feels many wrestlers can use. He explains it to James Guttman and ClubWWI.com listeners and anyone who follows wrestling news and scandals will agree that there are more than a few guys who can use it:

“I work for one of the top companies in the world right now. We’re in Forbes Magazine’s Top 100 companies – ranked #78 in the U.S. Basically, what I do, is I offer families lawyers. The reason I’m promoting this heavily on your wrestling website is because I know a lot of wrestlers out there deal with legal issues like signing contracts, child custody, divorce, the list goes on. Wrestlers today deal with legal issues and I offer them a monthly affordable rate of $25.95 a month for a wrestler, his spouse, his entire family – they’re all covered under this plan. So that’s it, man. That’s what I’m doing now.”

Siaki lays out many situations where his services come in handy for stars including everything from contract negotiations to driving violations going to and from shows. Sonny even sent along a letter of introduction for those looking for his service. The letter can be found at: http://www.worldwrestlinginsanity.com/am....nny_Siaki.shtml

Although he’s now known for legal services, Siaki was also known as a former TNA X-Division Champion. However, that may never have come to fruition if Jerry Jarrett had his way. James mentions that just recently he had posted the first ever TNA match on the WorldWrestlingInsanity.com Youtube Player. The bout featured AJ Styles, Low-Ki, and Jerry Lynn vs. The Flying Elvises (Jorge Estrada, Jimmy Yang, and Sonny Siaki). Sonny explains in detail that the gimmick was something he found confusing at first since he’s not a huge Elvis fan. But, as JG points out, the over-the-top nature of it seemed to fit into the early theme of TNA. It was the tradition of the NWA vs. the new style of Total Nonstop Action. During the entrance, they even went to a shot of legends watching the Elvises and shaking their heads in shock. Regardless of all that, the bout was TNA’s first ever and being asked to wrestle in it was an honor for the normally cocky Siaki. He shows how humbled he was by the experience as the ClubWWI.com conversation continues:

“I remember like it was yesterday, just backstage, getting ready to walk out. I remember Scott Hall standing right there. I remember Jeff Jarrett. I was just so excited because it seemed like WWE now had a company to go up against. I just remember being nervous and excited and happy. I was just so happy that I was finally wrestling there. I started with WCW and did all the Saturday Night tapings. I did a few Nitros and Thunders. But I then left that company assuming I was going to WWF at the time.”

Sonny explains why he felt he would walk out of WCW and into WWF and the executive who made him think that. But despite all that, he landed in Total Nonstop Action and found a way to stand out in the first bout – even with the Elvis gimmick. Guttman points out that as Yang and Estrada played more of the dancing Elvis gimmick, Siaki seemed to play the gimmick in a cocky Siaki-like way. He asks Sonny if this was laying the groundwork for his eventual heelish rebirth. Siaki says it wasn’t and tells ClubWWI.com members that it actually came close to stopping that rebirth from ever happening.

“It was just me being me. Actually, I think you’re the first person I’m telling this to – but Jerry Jarrett wanted to fire me. Yeah. He wanted to fire me because he thought I was being arrogant. If you go back and watch us come out through the curtain and down the ramp, I wasn’t being an Elvis like Jimmy and Jorge was. Jerry Jarrett saw it as, ‘this guy has an attitude. He’s cocky. He doesn’t want to do it. Blah, blah, blah.’ He did everything he could to try to fire me but Vince Russo and Jeff Jarrett were on my side. They saved my job. Oh man. If I would have gotten fired, I don’t think I would be talking to you right now.”

Guttman mentions that Vince Russo’s writing may come under attack but personally, he’s a good person. JG points out that he knew Vince on Long Island long before he went to the WWF and feels he sometimes gets a bum rap. Siaki agrees:

“Everybody has a right to their own opinions. Me? I’m a fan of Russo’s. I feel he definitely brings something different to the audience. I like his style of writing. I’m a fan of Russo. I like the stuff that he writes. I do like to see a bit more in-ring wrestling stories, though. I know he likes to do a lot of stuff outside the ring. Other than that, you know, I’m not gonna lie. Vince looked out for me big time. He was a big fan of Sonny Siaki.”





It doesn’t end there. There’s tons more to the 44 minute interview with Sonny Siaki and you can hear it all right now, along with literally hundreds of other stars the second you sign up on ClubWWI.com including many former and current TNA stars like Samoa Joe, AJ Styles, Goldylocks, Bobby Lashley, Kevin Nash, Kharma, Traci Brooks, Jim Mitchell, and tons more.


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They just acknowledged my e-mail and Jericho had nothing but good things to say about Russo. He said that Russo was responsible for bringing him in to the WWF/E. He gave Russo credit for his first few angles and said that his only problem was that Russo left about a month 1/2 after Jericho was brought in and he was kind of seen as a "Russo guy". Just like Russo said before Jericho was supposed to go over against The Rock the last RAW he wrote but they changed it. Jericho said that his first few angles were "classic Russo" with Howard Finkel, his feud with Shamrock and being locked up in the shark cage - about Jericho on wrestling observer radio thing
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Editorial
11/23/2007 by Glenn Gilbertti

I started booking in wcw in june of 2000. Eric Bischoff had asked Russo if he wouldn't mind me sitting in on the meetings. Russo didn't mind. When i booked the committe consisted of Vince, Terry Taylor, Ed Ferrara, myself, and Jeremy Borash and Bill Banks would sit in also. Banks and Borash would mainly play on their computers, although Borash did contribute alot. We all got along great. The meetings were hysterical. I got to ride in the private jet sometimes with Bischoff, Hogan and others.

Vince later told me that after a month or so Bischoff had asked to take me off the committee, and Vince was like ,"screw that! i like the guy!" I wondered why Bischoff wanted me out of there for the longest time. I pretty much surmised that it was because i was pretty vocal of my opinion of Hogan.

Here was my problem with Hulk. Now i didn't discount the fact that he was a huge draw and needed to be featured extensively on the show, but Hogan would always be talking about getting guys "on the team." In the meetings i'd be asking what team this guy was referring to? I was still one of the boys, and i dressed in the locker room with them. Nash, Hall, Sting, Luger, Jarrett and everybody else would all dress together. Except for Hogan. He had his own room. What type of team is successful where one guy is placing himself above everybody else and is asking everyone to get on his team? Didn't he realize that the rest of the crew thought he was an uncomparable egomaniac? All Hulk had to do was be a little more humble around the rest of the crew, instead of treating us like we all had leprosy. iIt doesn't take a genius to figure out that when a team has a guy like that on it in such a prominenet position, then it was going to fail.

when we were in the meetings sometimes it would be difficult for me to take things seriously. Vince would sometimes go awol, and during that time i would just drive Terry Taylor up the wall. We would argue things and Terry would go,"Man you piss me off!" and i would be like,"no i don't." I was a colossal pain in the ass sometimes. Once, i got there early and wrote out on the board something like six months worth of television of a martian invasion angle, that would start with two antennas popping out of mike tenay's head at the announcers table, and culminating at the january 1, 2001 ppv. "A Space Oddysey." Russo and Ferrara thought it was hysterical, and TT would just get so aggravated. BTW, it wasn't to be taken seriously.

We came up with some ridiculous ideas that never would've and should've made it to tv. Like a 30 second shot of an empty locker room that ended with "Coming Soon. The Invisible Man." Wings Piedmont, the evil pilot. Terry Taylor's personal favorite creation, Bill Ding, The Evil Architect, and my ingenious creation of The Evil Archaeologists, Artie Fact and Doug Hole. I really wish that crew could all get back together someday, because even though WCW was going out of business, which we knew it was, but i'll get to that at another time, we had some great laughs. It was really fun, until Johnny Ace started sitting in.

Ace brought some pretty good organization to the way matches are laid out between the road agents and production, but when it came to booking, he just didn't get it, at all. Ace thought that clean finishes were the solution to all of wcw's problems. i mean we'd spend time trying to figure out stories for guys and are trying to develop characters for guys that weren't over, and all Ace wanted to do was go over the 7 minute japanese clean finish for the match. We'd be like,"we'll go over the finishes on show day. we're trying to write stories."

Now Ace did have an excellent mind for coming up with clean finishes, but he didn't understand WCW and WWE psycholgy. When a guy beats a guy with his finish clean, the angle is over. Period. They're done. Time to move on. Bring on the next guy. I'll never forget when we were in there after Russo had gone permanent awol, and it's the week after a two week angle between Mike Sanders and Kwiwi, and Kwiwi had just beaten Sanders clean the week before and now he wants to have them wrestle again. And he's like,"we need a story, we need a story." and everyone's just completely silent for like a good three minutes. I finally say,"he beat him clean. what possible reason could they have to fight again? What matchmaker would book that if this was real?" Another two minutes of silence, and he finally decides to have them wrestle someone else(Bischoff had made him head of creative at this point.)

So after awhile Ace tells me he doesn't need me sitting in on the metings anymore, and i'm thinking thank god. So the next week after or so, Ace comes up to me and jarrett at thunder and he's like,"it's an historic thunder boys!" we're like,"How's that, Johnny?" And he says, "it's the first one without those damn girls!" Yep, you guessed right. on a show written for a male 18-34 yr. old audience, Ace decided to get rid of ALL the girls on the show. I'll never forget the phone call the day the thunder ratings for that show came out. I called jeff and we're both laughing when he answered the phone,"Yep, an historic thunder all right! Lowest rated one of all time!"

3 weeks later WCW was out of business.
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Scott Hudson, former WWE/WCW/TNA announcer, is now live and active in the official forums! The following are tidbits from a fraction of his responses to the questions that you, the fans, have asked him. He is as straight-forward and honest with his replies as the rest of the wrestling personalities here on WrestleZone.com and from a historical standpoint, you'll find few people that knows any more than Scott Hudson.

Question:
Could you tell the story of what went down between Jeff Jarrett, Hulk Hogan and Vince Russo in WCW from your point of view?
Hudson's Response:
The Bash at the Beach fiasco has been written about multiple times by everyone involved but here's my take. As a rule, the announcers would purposefully learn very little about the booking of the show. We had formats and obviously knew which segments were sponsored by Skittles, etc. but, for the most part, the less we knew beforehand - the more real the passion when we called the action. We had no idea the situation with Hogan/Russo/Jarrett was going down. Russo has said that it was part work and part shoot but, in my humble opinion, the part that was a work was tiny. Everything Russo said in the ring that evening is exactly what we had heard as gossip and trouble brewing backstage for a couple of weeks. As much as I like Russo and Jarrett (that's a lot by the way), the way this scenario played itself out was unprofessional. It made for damn compelling television, though. And we're still taking about it.

Question:
What in your opinion caused the downfall of WCW?
Hudson's Response:
The downfall of WCW is a multi-headed monster. The term "perfect storm" has quickly risen to cliche status but that best describes it. The components of said storm are as follows:

* Overpaid talent with creative control clauses in their contracts took the knees out of the company creatively and financially. (I was not one of those, for what its worth.)
* There was a factional war with WCW that slowly eroded whatever common goal mentality existed there.
* The merger with AOL brought ot power jack-offs who thought they were too cool to be associated with a wrestling show or company show it was dismantled and sold at a flea market discount.

Had one of these three factors not been in place, WCW may have survived (for how long is anyone's guess, though.)

Question:
Hey Scott, in your opinion was the Russo & Bischoff era entertaining and could it have been a success had everyone been on the same page? I remember really enjoying most of it especially the Millionaires Club vs. New Blood..
Hudson's Response:
I agree. The New Blood vs. Millionaires Club feud was a great idea. When the nWo angle died down, we were set and ready with Goldberg. But, the dreaded finger-poke of doom took the air right out of those sails. It took a while to develop what Eric Bischoff described as the "umbrella angle." The over-arcing storyline beneath which all other angles took place. The nWo was that angle for a while and although Goldberg's push was not an "umbrella angle," it was hot enough to keep us riding high until the next one came along.

When we were forced to create the over-arcing storyline in a rushed fashion, the New Blood vs. Millionaires club was born. Earlier I wrote about the three factors that caused WCW's downfall. One of them was not "bad ideas." Some talent just refused to do what they were told and, when you throw that in, even the best ideas go down in (heh) flames.
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The Internet is Hurting The Business
11/30/2007 by Glenn Gilbertti

First of all, let me describe to you what an internet wrestling fan(IWF) is by my definition. An IWF goes on the wrestling websites at least three times a week, thinks that Vince Russo killed WCW, thinks Paul Heyman is a genius and ECW is the greatest thing ever, loves cruiserweights and X-Division guys, loves Japanese wrestling, and takes whatever Wade Keller and Dave Meltzer say as gospel. Now we could debate what an IWF is, but for arguments sake, let's just say that the demographic I just described exists and it does represent a percentage of the pie chart. I would say about a third of IWF's show the aforementioned characteristics. Let's not contest this point because I think it would be a waste of time. For the purposes of this article, I'm talking about this stereotypical smart mark.

How do I know that they don't know what a good match is? Answer: the rating system. Most of these fans don't have any clue what a four star match is. I was at a TNA TV taping a couple of years ago and this Ring of Honor kid had a tryout match with some other X-Division guy. He was doing a Bruiser Brody rip-off gimmick complete with the boots, the "Husp, Husp" and had the "hold your wrist out in the upside down karate chop" thing working. And he weighed about 150 lbs. I'm at the monitor with I believe Harris and Storm and I'm like,"let's see how long these guys sell." Well, they have about a five minute match with every ridiculous high spot you can imagine and they sold every spot for literally almost exactly eight seconds, no more than ten tops. The thing was that this guy was supposedly having four star matches on the internet. If that's the type of matches that he'd been doing than he'd never had a four star match in his life.

So as I started paying attention to the X-Division guys, I started noticing that everyone was following the "8 second rule." Do your spot, sell it for 8 seconds, do another high spot, sell it for eight seconds. All the while, I'm reading on the internet how great these guys are and how they're being underutilized. I'm reading on the internet how these crazy high fliers in Ring of Honor need to be signed. I watch them and most of them are using the 8 second rule. I'm thinking, "Does anybody have a clue what a good match is?"

When I was booking WCW, I attended a focus group. There were 12 mainstream male wrestling fans - ages 18 to 38 - in a room being posed questions by a moderator while myself and about 4 other people from marketing were behind a two way mirror. Two of them were IWF's. We could see them, they couldn't see us, and they're being asked questions like, "Who's your favorite wrestler?" Goldberg, Austin, Rock, Sting, Outsiders they answer. "How often do you watch the shows?" Almost all of them watched the shows. "How often do you watch a ppv?" Every month. "How many times have you rented a ppv?" Zero. Wait - what was that? ZERO? How could that be? I call the moderator behind the glass and tell him to ask where they watch them. Answer: friends' houses, illegal black box, and bars. I'm like "that is unbelievable". We're writing four hours of TV a week to sell a ppv that nobody buys, but everybody sees. What a great business plan. And we wonder why WCW went out of business.

So the guy asks them if they liked the cruiserweights. "Nope". What do you mean "nope"? Nobody likes the cruiserweights?? I find that hard to believe. Why not? The consensus was that they're too small and they looked fake. I wanted to come out from behind the two way mirror and smack them. OF COURSE IT'S FAKE! IT'S WRESTLING! I mean smaller boxers have entertaining fights and such, why does their size matter. But then other things are coming out of this group like, "I know wrestling's fake, but Goldberg, man, I don't know. I think he's real." Good Lord. Goldberg's got wrestling fans thinking things are getting real again. Wow!

So I'm pretty much surmising that the reason they think the matches look fake is because they're not doing anything to make it look real. Goldberg's smashing people with three devastating moves and the match is over. Cruiserweights are smashing each other with 7 different moves and they're selling for eight seconds. But all the while, I'm reading on the internet how great their matches are. News Flash! All of the guys I know in the business are reading the internet. Just hoping and praying that they get "4 stars."

The problem with this is that this mindset of work that has been created infects the industry, because people believe what they read. That's marketing 101. People are more inclined to believe something when they read it. So you've got a whole bunch of up 'n comers coming into the business and everyone's killing themselves and selling for eight seconds and none of them are getting over because mainstream fans think it looks fake.

Here's some advice: LEARN HOW TO SELL! Instead of watching Japanese wrestling tapes where matches start with two guys standing in front of each other trading forearms to the head. Watch the main events of every WWE ppv you can get your hands on. Watch Austin, Rock, Angle, and HHH work each other and watch how long they sell. One of the main problems with the smaller guys is that they're given a specific amount of time to wrestle and they try to fit all their high spots in, but they don't figure in how long they should be selling. They end up selling everything for eight seconds and then the match is over. However, the IWF's are still putting them over and they're not changing a thing. I say those matches would be just as good if they took out a third of the high spots and selling the moves that they do more. Make the moves look like they hurt. If you don't, it just comes across as scripted acrobatics.

Now I don't want people to think that I don't know that Bret and Austin had a four star match. Or that Benoit/Angle was four stars or most of the matches that are generally accepted as great matches are what they are...great matches. My rant is against the subliminal education that is happening via the internet, where IWF's and the workers themselves are reading and watching guys that can't sell and being told that these guys know how to work, when the reality is that it's creating a style that's hurting the business.

Now, of course there are guys that are great and have a clue, like AJ and Samoa Joe. It's just that I'm worried that in this computer age we live in that a bad message is spread so fast that it's hard to find a cure. As long as the internet creates a forum where guys can be told whether they're good or not, and that message is held as gospel, even when they're not, then you can make an argument that the internet is hurting the business.
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Here's something that everybody needs to understand: before Monday Nitro started, WCW was already dead.

If everybody can get out of the wrestling bubble that most of us live in, try to look at Turner Network Programming from an outsider's, channel-surfing perspective. TNT and TBS are lousy networks. TBS had the Braves, and that's about it. Before The Closer started, TNT basically had nothing besides syndicated shows and Friday night spectaculars like "Die Hard", 8 pm to 10 pm, and 10 pm to 12. Outside of pro wrestling, did anyone reading this watch ANYTHING on TNT? They ended up having the NBA, but I'll get to that later.

So basically you have network executives that are paying for syndicated shows and producing no original programming. I don't know their names, but the heirarchy of the Turner networks started with an indifferent billionaire, Ted Turner, five guys beneath him (one of which was Brad Seagal) and then Eric Bischoff. This is the most important thing that everyone needs to know: those five guys NEVER wanted wrestling on TNT. Period. They never liked it. They were content with sticking wrestling on Saturday night at 6 o'clock, basically out of the way of everything. Think about that. Here's a product who's target market is the 18-34 year old demographic, and it's stuck in a spot where nobody really watches, AND IT STILL DID DECENT NUMBERS!

So Bischoff somehow gets a face to face with Ted Turner and convinces him that to compete with Vince he needs a live show head to head. So Ted Turner, with optimistic indifference, and because he liked rasslin', syas "Sure." Hence, the start of The Monday Night Wars.

Now you've got to understand that through the growth of WCW over the next years, there really wasn't alot of support given to the company by those five guys that never wanted it to begin with. The company was getting good ratings and living off the PPV and ad revenue. You would think we would have been given an art department and more people in marketing, right? Nope. No art department and a marketing department that consisted of TWO, count 'em, TWO people. Remember, they didn't want rasslin' on their network. So why bother helping it? Thunder then came along and WCW was growing; the highest rated show on cable tv. Bottom line, you have network executives who's expertise were buying Law and Order for a million bucks an episode and sticking it on tv 60 times a day.

That's all these guys knew. They weren't creative, and they basically didn't know how to help in the production of a highly rated live show. Seriously, if they would have given Bischoff the proper resources, they could have turned it into the wrestling network. They could have raided the WWF and gotten their top production guys and poured some money into it and made it work. At the time, wrestlings numbers on cable were as good as the NFL's. *Sigh*, but they didn't like wrestling. What a bunch of absolute imbeciles.

So they do eventually raid the WWE and got the writers, Russo and Ferrara. During this time WWE had started to beat us with The Attitude era, but we still did good numbers. WCW had alot of high level contracts and was still relying on ppv and ad revenue. Business was dropping, but it wasn't like they couldn't have turned it around. They started CUTTING costs, instead of putting more money in to compete.

The problem with Russo and Ferrara wasn't that they couldn't write good tv; it's that they couldn't write tv without the WWE's production machine behind them. Russo had alot of great ideas, but they cost money. WCW wasn't willing to spend it. Why? because the executives STILL didn't want wrestling on their network.

Everyone can point to David Arquette and whatever you think from a booking standpoint as to what killed WCW, but none of it means two shits in the big picture. WCW was sytematically being shoved off the network. I know. I would sit in booking meetings and we would have 4 or 5 calls to our boss, Brad Seagal, that were never returned. I would be there in production meetings on show day when we're learning for the first time, after the show has been written, that costs had been cut, Hugh Morris had no pyro and they couldn't afford a limo for someone and had a bus instead.

The best part was that TNT was losing its ass on the NBA during this time. Put this in perspective. I'm not exactly sure of the numbers, but I believe that WCW lost 60 million bucks it's final year. The NBA on TNT lost 120 million in only six months, AND IT DREW HALF THE RATING OF WRESTLING! How in God's name can that show be allowed to stay on the air, but wrestling can't?

That should pretty much sum the whole thing up. If you've read what I've written here and understood it you would know that the people who killed WCW have never been seen by any of you before and you've probably never heard their names. But they did it. They let one of the highest rated shows on cable tv disappear, and consequently, the networks's ratings declined.

Here's the capper, Time Warner came along and they didn't want to spend the money to revitalize wrestling either. Time Warner - another well-managed corporation. Look and see how their stock price did over the years. Not surprising. So Time Warner decides to sell a company with a book value, I believe, of 30 million (not sure if that is accurate) for 2 millin dollars. Brilliant. The best part is, if this is indeed true - and I've heard it is from sources - that the ppv revenues were back ended three months or so. So after Vince got WCW, three months later he got their ppv revenue. Vince Mcmahon bought WCW with their own money!

It's been awhile since I've divulged in this topic, so I'm not 100% sure of my accuracy, but hopefully you understand the crux of what I'm saying: that the reason WCW died was because of poor executive network management. Period!
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