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Old 01-08-2004, 09:12 AM   #121
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ra dosent have a good singer. tori amos plays piano. therefore she is much more than just a singer.
you might as well say 'tori amos sings, therefore she is much more than just a pianist'

her songs 'me and a gun' and 'wampum prayer' are a capella. They are amongst the best things she has ever done.

Yes, she is a truly excellent piano player, but she is also a truly, truly EXCELLENT singer. She has an incredible, well trained voice with an astonishing range, tone and quality. THis is not invalidated by the fact that she happens to play the piano.
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Old 01-08-2004, 09:12 AM   #122
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what play bad guitar parts?
im looking at the drumming when i judge a band.
pah. Drummers aren't musicians. They just hit things.
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Old 01-08-2004, 01:19 PM   #123
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what play bad guitar parts?
im looking at the drumming when i judge a band.
yes, I'm sure you do. I'm sure that's the only part of a band that counts as "music," too.

Seriously, when your band learns to play, I'll take your criticism of other music a little more seriously. Til then.
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Old 01-08-2004, 02:32 PM   #124
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Dude i think your right, i saw it somewhere Evanescene is on the 3rd place with their cd in the charts , they where on 10th place and now they are on the 3rd
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Old 01-08-2004, 02:39 PM   #125
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Dude i think your right, i saw it somewhere Evanescene is on the 3rd place with their cd in the charts , they where on 10th place and now they are on the 3rd
Wouldn't be surprised. Take some poppy metal, throw in a pair of tits, and you've got a Smash Hit.
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Wouldn't be surprised. Take some poppy metal, throw in a pair of tits, and you've got a Smash Hit.
Your right look at Britney (slut) Spears and Christina (X) Aguilera
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Old 01-08-2004, 03:18 PM   #127
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Your right look at Britney (slut) Spears and Christina (X) Aguilera
now cross them with Linkin Park, and BAM! You have Evanescence's success.
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:33 PM   #128
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you might as well say 'tori amos sings, therefore she is much more than just a pianist'

her songs 'me and a gun' and 'wampum prayer' are a capella. They are amongst the best things she has ever done.

Yes, she is a truly excellent piano player, but she is also a truly, truly EXCELLENT singer. She has an incredible, well trained voice with an astonishing range, tone and quality. THis is not invalidated by the fact that she happens to play the piano.
and this brings us back to harmoney.
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Old 01-08-2004, 04:34 PM   #129
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yes, I'm sure you do. I'm sure that's the only part of a band that counts as "music," too.

Seriously, when your band learns to play, I'll take your criticism of other music a little more seriously. Til then.
ive yet to see your bitch ass post your music. therefore **** off and i dont care. anything you say will never be taken into account as far as im concerned.
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Old 01-08-2004, 05:21 PM   #130
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ive yet to see your bitch ass post your music. therefore **** off and i dont care. anything you say will never be taken into account as far as im concerned.
Because I'd rather not post half-assed demos, I don't post music on here. Is it that hard a concept to grasp? To you, it must be. Your music is absolute shit and you cry when people don't call you God. Those of us who don't want to sound as pathetic and talentless as you don't bother unless we have something professional worth putting up.
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Old 01-08-2004, 05:30 PM   #131
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and this brings us back to harmoney.
how does it bring us back to harmony when she's a solo artist who performs without backup singers?
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Old 01-08-2004, 05:43 PM   #132
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she can harmonise with herself. hitting the proper notes
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she can harmonize with herself?

unless she can sing two notes at the same time (and the human throat isn't capable of such a feat) I don't know how she could harmonize with herself
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this is quite possible with the right equitment
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you could RECORD yourself harmonizing with yourself (and indeed Tori does on most of the songs in Boys For Pele), but I still fail to see how you could sing more than one note at the same time.
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Old 01-08-2004, 05:49 PM   #136
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I have no idea what you're talking about right now.
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i dont even sing and ive used one. come on. you dont know what a voice processor is?
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Except that vocal effects processors are setting up a computer to perform harmonically with you. You're still not singing more than one note at a time.
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actually you could be when used right.
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actually you could be when used right.
No, because your vocal chords only produce one note at a time. You can SIMULATE harmony through recordings or synthesis, but you're only singing one note.

If you're still having trouble with the concept, I can speak slower and with smaller words.
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Old 01-08-2004, 08:28 PM   #142
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please do...jackass.
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you do realize this only goes on because i love being a prick to your bitchass
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you do realize this only goes on because i love being a prick to your bitchass
More like because you're too stupid to know when to quit.
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Old 01-09-2004, 03:25 AM   #145
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actually thats quite untrue
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actually thats quite untrue
For the sake of the bandwidth of TPWW, please don't start an arguement with Kane Knight. It's like trying to tell a 5 year old there is no Santa.
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kanes a ****ing douche. ive been comming to this messageboard under various names for years...
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The last two posters in this thread are both douches

You know I almost felt sorry for you when people made fun of your chubby little ass.

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i liked it...
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I know what a vocal processor is. I don't have any idea what that has to do with the inability of the human throat to sing two notes at the same time.

Trying to think of what you COULD mean, I've only been able to come across two ways you could simulate the effect of solo harmonization live.

1) pre-record one vocal track. Bad idea because you could get out of time with yourself. Some people still do it though.
2) artificially raise or lower the pitch of the voice singing, and play the doctored and original vocals at the same time. Usually sounds really horrible. The only time I can think of that I've heard it working really well live was Jarvis Cocker of Pulp performing 'party hard' at Glastonbury 1998.

don't get me wrong, for more than one vocalist, good harmony is essential. However, for a quality solo artist, synthesized harmony sounds bloody awful.
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actually thats quite untrue
Yes, I believe you. Simply because you said it's not so, means it's not so.
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I know what a vocal processor is. I don't have any idea what that has to do with the inability of the human throat to sing two notes at the same time.

Trying to think of what you COULD mean, I've only been able to come across two ways you could simulate the effect of solo harmonization live.

1) pre-record one vocal track. Bad idea because you could get out of time with yourself. Some people still do it though.
2) artificially raise or lower the pitch of the voice singing, and play the doctored and original vocals at the same time. Usually sounds really horrible. The only time I can think of that I've heard it working really well live was Jarvis Cocker of Pulp performing 'party hard' at Glastonbury 1998.

don't get me wrong, for more than one vocalist, good harmony is essential. However, for a quality solo artist, synthesized harmony sounds bloody awful.
If you spend enough money, you can get a machine that will harmonize with everything you do, and it'll sound like 4 of you in perfect harmony. In fact, people who know how to sing harmony without a machine dislike the synthetics.

Granted, everyhourdylan's shown that he has no concept of what a good vocalist by giving us a link to his band. It's pretty obvious that he doesn't really understand a vocal processor beyond "It maekz k3w1 n0YZ."

The worst part is that most vocal processors, whether purchased for effects or synthetic harmony, blow. I use bass pedals for my vocal effects, personally. Nothing like Chorus, but I use Fuzz and Flange.

A lot of big groups that do vocal processing live have a couple laptops backstage doing the processing. This includes most form of vocal processing, except the standards, like reverb.

They've got some really cool programs for effectively altering vocals and pitch, but it's still mostly for people who want 4-part vocals and lack an ear for harmony.
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i know much more than you think i know...hate to break it to you...ive been doing this for years.
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I'm sure you have. And you're proving how much you know by offering up erroneous, false, and stupid information.

Good plan, chief.

Crying when someone calls you a moron when you demonstrate yourself as one.

All that knowledge of vocal processors, and you can't even use one to make your vocalist sound like he knows how to sing. Good demo.
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if you've been working with vocal processors for years, then surely you know that a great voice sounds MUCH better unprocessed than processed. You'd also know that all the technical wizardry in the world means nothing if there isn't a voice to work with.

You'd also know that a singer is as much a musician as someone who makes their music with an instrument.
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if you've been working with vocal processors for years, then surely you know that a great voice sounds MUCH better unprocessed than processed. You'd also know that all the technical wizardry in the world means nothing if there isn't a voice to work with.

You'd also know that a singer is as much a musician as someone who makes their music with an instrument.
Oh, but he knows more than you think.
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Of course, it would require he had some understanding of the human voice, and listening to his demos, he's pretty clearly clueless...
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yeah because your always right!
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