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Old 09-15-2014, 06:01 AM   #1
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I'll start with the worst offender: Burried

If someone is burried they are used in such a way that they are dead. PERMANENTLY. They will never be able to make money again. Being used to get someone over =/= burial. Being in a midcard program =/= burial.

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Old 09-15-2014, 07:39 AM   #2
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X Pac heat. If a heel gets over that the IWC doesn'twant to get over (Vickie Guerrero when she started) then they have X Pac heat
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:40 AM   #3
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This is also the fault of the independents, but "strong style."

Typically refers to the NJPW style incorporating far more strikes and submissions into the style.

However, a ton of people associate it with the indy head dropping, trying to one up each other with big moves, and really just beating the crap out of each other. In reality, that is just a bastardization of the old AJPW King's Road style.
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This is also the fault of the independents, but "strong style."

Typically refers to the NJPW style incorporating far more strikes and submissions into the style.

However, a ton of people associate it with the indy head dropping, trying to one up each other with big moves, and really just beating the crap out of each other. In reality, that is just a bastardization of the old AJPW King's Road style.
King's road had amazing spot progressions that built up over years and years of return matches too though.
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Also Destor, who do you think has actually been buried on a big league level? The only one that even remotely comes to mind is MAYBE Jarrett before he left for WCW when he fought Chyna, but even that was putting someone over. But that is based on how I perceived the match at the time, and I haven't seen it since it aired.
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King's road had amazing spot progressions that built up over years and years of return matches too though.
Exactly. The problem is, King's Road seemed to have that progression build over time, where on the indy scene it seems like every other week they are trying to top themselves, which leads to one month into the feud people kicking out of enhanced finishers, instead of actually focusing on showing progression in the core of the match, instead of just the ending. See also: Dragon Gate

* Note, I am unfairly stereotyping indy, not everyone is guilty of this.
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:20 AM   #9
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Also Destor, who do you think has actually been buried on a big league level? The only one that even remotely comes to mind is MAYBE Jarrett before he left for WCW when he fought Chyna, but even that was putting someone over. But that is based on how I perceived the match at the time, and I haven't seen it since it aired.
Well the intent is just as important as the success. For example the Polka Dot gimmick they gave Dusty Rhoads for example. They were trying to kill him, he made it into money because he's one of the greatest of all time.

Natayla being Khali's GF springs to mind as a recent succesful burial.
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:21 AM   #10
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with today's short term memory im not sure if a burial is completely possible anymore however
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Old 09-15-2014, 08:31 AM   #11
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want to clarify about Nattie: Her only ability to generate money is by being "the girl who can wrestle." By trivializing her role they've reduced (or eliminated) her ability to be taken seriously. There's also the fart gimmick and the fat gimmick. she has repeatedly been burried harder than anyone in recent years, or at least as far as I can recall.
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Could Drew McIntyre be a case?
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:02 PM   #13
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Could Drew McIntyre be a case?
Can you be buried when you haven't properly been elevated?

I only say that because I don't feel he had enough exposure outside of the brief "Chosen One" character, which fell flat.

Being put with 3MB never do do anything else though, is somewhat of a burial I would say.
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Old 09-15-2014, 01:10 PM   #14
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Drew was never good to begin with. Go watch some of his pre 3MB matches. They were boring as fuck.
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When Drew was being made to get over vs Morrison I wanted to get behind drew....mainly cause of the Future Shock DDT. After that he was bullying Teddy Long annnd......yeah.
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His theme kicked ass and I love the FutureShock, but his in ring work was bland
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:52 PM   #17
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Old 09-15-2014, 04:17 PM   #19
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Old 09-15-2014, 06:35 PM   #20
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Can you be buried when you haven't properly been elevated?
I would say you can yes. Though I still think you could make money with him.
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with today's short term memory im not sure if a burial is completely possible anymore however
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Old 09-15-2014, 07:47 PM   #22
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What about chavito for buried? I know a lot aren't his biggest fans, but he had a lot going for him. Respected wrestling family, quite a lot of charisma, a good hand in ring, but the tail end of his WWE run was brutal and it would take a lot now for him to be taken seriously at any title level.

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Really felt bad for a guy who would take one bump a night from a midget while getting paid $100,000 a year downside. Poor guy. I'm sure he was.crying all.the way.to the bank.
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Really felt bad for a guy who would take one bump a night from a midget while getting paid $100,000 a year downside. Poor guy. I'm sure he was.crying all.the way.to the bank.
Might have been great work with nice pay but probably didn't do his career any favours. There was never any payoff either. Can still be buried while making money

Am sure dusty was getting enough from wwe while they tried, unsuccessfully, to bury him.
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What about chavito for buried? I know a lot aren't his biggest fans, but he had a lot going for him. Respected wrestling family, quite a lot of charisma, a good hand in ring, but the tail end of his WWE run was brutal and it would take a lot now for him to be taken seriously at any title level.

Doubt he would make money for anyone now, but I really think he could have done under different circumstances.
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Really felt bad for a guy who would take one bump a night from a midget while getting paid $100,000 a year downside. Poor guy. I'm sure he was.crying all.the way.to the bank.
while I get you point Gertner you have to admit you have NO CHANCE of building him into a world champion at this point.
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:18 PM   #27
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Chavo shouldn't have sniffed the World Title at any point.

He did become ECW Champ after that feud for what it's worth. Plus he was getting a bit long in the tooth at that point. He made his money and now can pretty much pick and choose what he wants to do.
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:22 PM   #28
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Chavo shouldn't have sniffed the World Title at any point.

He did become ECW Champ after that feud for what it's worth. Plus he was getting a bit long in the tooth at that point. He made his money and now can pretty much pick and choose what he wants to do.
No he was ECW champ before.
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Old 09-15-2014, 09:33 PM   #29
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Was at a pretty decent level before, feuds with Misterio, Benoit etc...Pretty much asked for his release after that feud, by the time he was only wrestling on superstars and losing to rookies on NXT.

Was worth nothing when he left WWE. Had been a good hand in good feuds before that, and an ECW champ like you say.
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Meh, he still literalky had the dream job of any wrestler: take a splash from a midget in a two minute match and make six figures
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Please people comment on my Kaval pick.
Kaval was drawing in TNA, and could still draw anywhere he's booked.

From what I've read though, he's buried himself for being an asshole backstage. That could be wrong, I've never met the guy.
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:33 PM   #32
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Kaval is a ridiculous person.

He's like if Kalyx became a wrestler. SERIOUS BUSINESS
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Old 09-15-2014, 11:40 PM   #33
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Kaval was drawing in TNA, and could still draw anywhere he's booked.
But TNA doesn't even draw.
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But TNA doesn't even draw.
Not WWE numbers, no. But people went to see him when he performed, their numbers went up. So yes, he's a draw.

So in saying this, I nominate 'Draw'.
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