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Old 04-26-2011, 07:40 PM   #41
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If you work harder, more often, and better than the "best" then you should be treated as such, he's marketable as fuck either face or heel, WWE could have a "CM Punk Era" easily with the right program... which I think is with The Miz as Punk slowly turns babyface...
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:51 PM   #42
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With Edge gone and with Orton being shipped to SD I could see Punk turning face and having a program with either Miz or Del Rio but the writers are gonna have to get their shit together and make it happen even though he makes a better heel screw the New Nexus otherwise they might as well send him packing.
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Old 04-26-2011, 09:40 PM   #43
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Punk can't pull a Jericho because he isn't at jerkico's level.
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Old 04-26-2011, 10:01 PM   #44
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I feel Punk may be overreacting here if any of this is true. Yes, he's awesome, but what does he really expect? Does he want a John Cena run or what?
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I can't picture him leaving, even if I did believe it. I can't even picture him complaining about his position in the company. He's constantly on television and PPV, and he's in the midst of concluding a program with one of the hottest acts in the company.
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Old 04-26-2011, 11:18 PM   #46
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I feel Punk may be overreacting here if any of this is true. Yes, he's awesome, but what does he really expect? Does he want a John Cena run or what?
This. I've said it for many guys in the past who decided they'd prefer to step away: if it's what he wants to do, he should do it. That being said, it's time for me to revert to "Fuck you, Punk."

Punk has been something of an "Iron Man" for the company, working full-time on the road with the exception of his hip injury needing to be rehabbed last year. At the same time, despite delivering with whatever was handed to him creatively, Punk has watched as other talents developed since he debuted ended up pushed as bigger names and treated as more important

Let's throw out a few names here. Curt Hennig. Ted DiBiase. Rick Martel. Jake Roberts. These guys fit the same bill in their day; they were the workhorses who carried the load talent-wise. They worked their asses off too in WWE and were never a mainstay as part of the top guys; they all continually took the back seat to the likes of Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, and Yokozuna, over half of whom came in to take the top spots after they were well established.

I'm sure there's a difference here somewhere... oh yeah, Punk is a MULTI-TIME WOLD CHAMPION. He's been the man, and he's done what a lot of others haven't. I stand by what I said earlier; if he isn't happy he should step out the door, but he can shove this whole "wah wah I'm not a top guy" attitude straight up his ass.
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Colt Cabana is one of Punk's good friends, right? He should be happy he didn't get Scotty Goldman'd.
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I can't picture him leaving, even if I did believe it. I can't even picture him complaining about his position in the company. He's constantly on television and PPV, and he's in the midst of concluding a program with one of the hottest acts in the company.
Also, for the past 2 Royal Rumbles (either the 2nd or 3rd most important PPV of the year depending on how you view it,) he's been given a chance to pretty much masturbate in the ring, and had something like 5 minutes of personal spotlight time in each.
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Old 04-27-2011, 05:32 AM   #49
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Shoot does every WWE star that jumps ship to TNA get a title reign? Well that just leaves Matt Hardy I guess...
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Old 04-27-2011, 04:08 PM   #51
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Or...

Punk could just be pulling a masterstroke to get shitloads of cash.

From WWE's POV, he's never going to fail a wellness test, he works loads of shows and makes them money.

If these rumours on him not signing are true, he could just be holding out for a much better deal, I don't know what he's on right now. But I would imagine it's the same contract he was on when he debuted and he's earnt the right to get a better fixed rate on his contract, IMO
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:33 PM   #52
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Let's throw out a few names here. Curt Hennig. Ted DiBiase. Rick Martel. Jake Roberts. These guys fit the same bill in their day; they were the workhorses who carried the load talent-wise. They worked their asses off too in WWE and were never a mainstay as part of the top guys; they all continually took the back seat to the likes of Hulk Hogan, Randy Savage, Ultimate Warrior, Undertaker, and Yokozuna, over half of whom came in to take the top spots after they were well established.
you should try to rethink this argument and try it again with some merit.


all this please punk dont go stuff am i the only one who recalls when he was given the world title, everyone bitched and monaed about how uncredible he was with the strap? punk is the best there is right now and hopefully he doesnt jet back to the 2011 version of the bingo hall
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:43 PM   #53
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...all this please punk dont go stuff am i the only one who recalls when he was given the world title, everyone bitched and monaed about how uncredible he was with the strap...
He was only as good as what was put in-front of him.

His first reign involved a defence against JBL in the middle of the card and then vacating the title after Orton punted them. The other time after a stellar feud with Jeff Hardy, he jobbed straight away to the Undertaker. How is anyone supposed to take him seriously when the WWE didn't? Why not show a little more faith and have him at least defend the thing a couple of times.
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Old 04-28-2011, 03:55 AM   #54
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The way he was booked as champ was uncredible!
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I'm of two minds about this. I want the WWE to keep Punk, so I hope he gets a deal that keeps him. To be honest, Punk might just want more money for going out there and bumping all the time. He's one of those guys who is almost expected to go out there and work his ass off to make guys look great, and Punk might feel that is worth more than he is currently paid next to other top guys. There's so many ways this thing could be taken out of context.

I remember reading someone talking about CM Punk when he first signed with the WWE, when there was internet speculation about how successful he could be -- and this guy said that Punk is the sort of guy who will be fine, because his goals have always been to be successful in this business and a top guy. Maybe Punk does feel he deserves more spotlight -- which I don't entirely agree with. Personally, I feel that Punk is one of the best heels the WWE has, and I think the WWE really appreciates this. Look at the rise Punk has taken, and look at the guys he's been allowed to work with. Hell, look at the freedom he's been given with his character and promos. I pretty much consider CM Punk a permanent main eventer at this stage of the game.

More power to the guy to have control over what he wants -- but I hope it's just a case of him feeling a little sore and wanting a bit of money. I, selfishly, don't want to lose CM Punk from my television screen.

On the bright side, from a booking standpoint, it makes no real sense for CM Punk to lose at Extreme Rules. With the Nexus around, they, realistically, should just come out and beat-up Randy Orton if it looks like Punk is about to lose. Right?
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Old 04-28-2011, 01:21 PM   #56
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I'm of two minds about this. I want the WWE to keep Punk, so I hope he gets a deal that keeps him. To be honest, Punk might just want more money for going out there and bumping all the time. He's one of those guys who is almost expected to go out there and work his ass off to make guys look great, and Punk might feel that is worth more than he is currently paid next to other top guys. There's so many ways this thing could be taken out of context.

I remember reading someone talking about CM Punk when he first signed with the WWE, when there was internet speculation about how successful he could be -- and this guy said that Punk is the sort of guy who will be fine, because his goals have always been to be successful in this business and a top guy. Maybe Punk does feel he deserves more spotlight -- which I don't entirely agree with. Personally, I feel that Punk is one of the best heels the WWE has, and I think the WWE really appreciates this. Look at the rise Punk has taken, and look at the guys he's been allowed to work with. Hell, look at the freedom he's been given with his character and promos. I pretty much consider CM Punk a permanent main eventer at this stage of the game.

More power to the guy to have control over what he wants -- but I hope it's just a case of him feeling a little sore and wanting a bit of money. I, selfishly, don't want to lose CM Punk from my television screen.

On the bright side, from a booking standpoint, it makes no real sense for CM Punk to lose at Extreme Rules. With the Nexus around, they, realistically, should just come out and beat-up Randy Orton if it looks like Punk is about to lose. Right?

Yeah... or they could turn on Punk for selling them out before Wrestlemania and get ANOTHER leader. After the thing with Cena the Nexus has really been the Black and Silver nWo...
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I just want to point another, being a multi-time world champion doesn't mean as much as it use too. What with there being 2 titles that will change what, 5 times a year now days? So in theory over the course of a year, you have 10 potential new world champions. Back in the day, if you were champion in the 80s, when there was 1 world title in the WWF, you might hold that for an entire year.

So saying Punk is a multi-time world champion when Mr. Perfect wasn't isn't a good comparison.
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Hes won MITB twice and basically given the spotlight at Royal Rumble last yr as well.

Maybe all those drugs have fucked with his head.
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Or maybe he just feels like he needs a break, and isn't actually trying to squeeze more money out of this?
That's not to say that more money couldn't get him to stay.
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I'll elaborate since that made some of your brains explode.

He is a good wrestler, and he's well-rounded, but he isn't the messiah everyone makes him out to be. Exceptional wrestlers also stand out more when the writing is horrible shit.
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That is a great point about how he isn't part of the new youth movment, but also doesn't qualify as a veteran. He sort of slips through the cracks in that respect.

Still, I don't think he has anything to worry about in regards to his status in the company. He busts his ass, and yes he's not rewarded on the level of Cena and Orton, but he's still pretty high up and I only expect his upward growth to continue or at the very least stay consistent in the main event/uppercard.

James Steele is right too. I see where Punk's supposed frustrations would stem from, but I don't completely agree with it or sympathize fully. At least not as an outside observer of the product and his on-screen career.
I think walking away would suck. Mainly as a huge fan of his. I don't want him gone from telelvision every week.

I also think it would be a tremendous mistake professionally. It's a bit early in his career for him to do something like that without likely pissing the powers that be off. It may concern them because of what has happened to them with Brock and Lashley, etc. and he may never earn that trust back.

I also don't think it would improve his stock, at all. He's not going to prove anything anywhere else like Christian may have been trying to. WWE knows his talents. It's not the same as Jericho leaving to take some time off from being burntout, because Jericho was sort of floundering and had already been established years prior. He had peaked, and was lingering for years.
CM Punk, on the other hand, is rising. I don't think he's established himself fully yet, and leaving now will cost him a ton of steam with the company and fans. He's over, by far, but I still think he's on the brink.
Him leaving now would be more analgous to a Jericho hiatus in 2001, than 2005.
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Read somewhere that he's currently dating Beth Phoenix, and thus the Phoenix to Raw trade was done so that the two could be together.

If this is true, damn, Punk rolls through Divas like a bowling ball.
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