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Old 04-21-2010, 01:00 AM   #1
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Dana White Might Release Some of His Fighters?
The only promotions left to compete with the UFC are Dream and Strikeforce, and they're struggling to even rival the numbers the UFC has, but one thing I've taken notice of in the organization is how fast they cut fighters. I understand that if you don't step up to the plate, you'll be gone faster than they signed you. I agree with this, but is the UFC truly giving fighters a chance in the company to get their feet wet?

After Tim Sylvia's defeats to Antonio Nogueira and Randy Couture, the former UFC Heavyweight Champion was cut from the UFC without any hesitation. Since being cut, Sylvia has lost to Fedor Emelianenko and Ray Mercer and finally ended his losing streak against Jason Riley. This guy was once the top fighter in his division, but fell into a rut, and the UFC decided to release him.

What I'm worried about now is what if the UFC starts cutting fighters in each division?

Anderson Silva
Silva is without a doubt the best on the planet, fighting from middleweight to light heavyweight and leaving a trail of destruction behind him, but sadly, he isn't the fighter he was when he came into the UFC. The truth is we all know why Silva is the way he is. He's bored with the fights he's been given. That's a reason for White to release him, and he has an advantage on the people he's fighting. The only threat to Silva at middleweight as of now is Vitor Belfort, and I can't wait for that fight to happen. Silva is the one man the UFC can't afford to cut because it would be one of the biggest mistakes in history. A lot of fans would want White's head if he did that. Can you imagine if Strikeforce landed Silva? That would be the top two fighters not in the UFC, but if that happened, we might finally see Silva vs. Fedor.

Gabriel Gonzaga
Gonzaga was once the #1 contender in the heavyweight division by giving Mirko Cro Cop a taste of his own medicine. After that fight, he was the #1 contender against Couture and lost by 3rd round TKO. Since losing to Couture, he's gone 3-3. He beat Chris Tuchscherer, Josh Hendricks, and Justin McCully, but has lost to Fabricio Werdum, Junior Dos Santos, and Shane Carwin. He needs some time off and should fight a heavyweight like Nogueira or Roy Nelson.

Kimbo Slice
I fear Kimbo's days are numbered with the heavyweights out there like Brock Lesnar, but the UFC can set up a number of fights with Kimbo. Some have even called for Kimbo to fight Chuck Liddell. Kimbo is a draw for the UFC, win or lose.
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Old 04-21-2010, 01:03 AM   #2
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Can you imagine a Christmas card on December 25th (UFC 122?) with Silva/Belfort, Nogueira/Gonzaga, and Liddell/Kimbo?
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:59 AM   #3
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Kimbo will lose to Mitrione and then get cut. Hooray
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Old 04-21-2010, 04:30 AM   #4
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Maybe he's clearing up space so that there's room for Jason David Frank on the roster.
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Old 04-21-2010, 07:49 AM   #5
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Kimbo will lose to Mitrione and then get cut. Hooray
Nah I suspect one or two more losses after that. The guy draws in money.
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Old 04-21-2010, 10:57 AM   #6
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sylvia asked to be released from his contract
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:01 AM   #7
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Theyre not cutting anderson.


if gonzaga gets koed again he will probably be cut for safety reasons.

kimbo will continue to fight people around his level, so you never have to worry about him getting smashed by lesnar. but if he cant beat people around him, he will fight the fights on his contract (however many that is) and not be asked back.
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Old 04-22-2010, 06:33 PM   #8
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kimbos too much of a draw to get cut. Not just that, but if a fighter is willing to go out there and throw, Dana seems to appreciate that more than anything else. Wandy hasnt had the best W/L record in the UFC, but he goes out and fights, and because of that, Dana hasnt even come close to cutting him.

Silva on the other hand...i'd say he's got more of a chance to be cut.
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:04 AM   #9
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Surely, even Dana White's douchebag ass understands that UFC would lose all credibility if he cuts the BEST POUND-FOR-POUND FIGHTER IN THE WORLD.
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Old 04-23-2010, 06:30 PM   #10
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Surely, even Dana White's douchebag ass understands that UFC would lose all credibility if he cuts the BEST POUND-FOR-POUND FIGHTER IN THE WORLD.
How much credibility would he lose if he let the biggest pound for pound dumb ass fighter fuck up any more Main events, or fight cards?


Silva should be on the bubble, because one man does not make the promotion.
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Old 04-24-2010, 12:44 AM   #11
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Don't put him in main events, but you can't claim to be the best fight organization when you CUT the best fighter in the world.
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Don't put him in main events, but you can't claim to be the best fight organization when you CUT the best fighter in the world.
something tells me they have enough talent to still hold onto that title
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Old 04-24-2010, 11:47 PM   #13
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something tells me they have enough talent to still hold onto that title
They obviously don't have enough talent to find anyone who can challenge Anderson Silva.
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JS, I honestly don't think there is anyone who can challenge Anderson Silva.
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Old 04-25-2010, 08:33 PM   #15
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Then, how are you going to cut a fighter because he is so dominant that he has to bullshit around in the fight in order to give the guy a chance?
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as a fighter it is your responsibility to compete. Anderson silva did not do that in his last one out. If you are a promoter, it is your responsibility to put fighters on cards who will compete. Now if anderson does the bull shit he did, no one will want to watch him and it will hurt the numbers of the ufc. If anderson does it again, he will be cut, but not until he does it again.

This isnt like a case of a team sport like football where you keep a cancerous guy in the locker room around because he performs so well on sundays. Andersons performance hurt the ufc in a big way. He would deserve to be cut.
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Old 04-25-2010, 11:55 PM   #17
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No, his job as a fighter is to win. He is doing it.
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Old 04-26-2010, 12:18 AM   #18
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the organization and sport are bigger than a fighter.... he was given the rank as best pound for pound by his performances. He wouldnt be called that if a majority of his fights were like his last one.
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No, his job as a fighter is to win. He is doing it.
and no it is to compete... if it were win, then a purse would only be given to the winner
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and no it is to compete... if it were win, then a purse would only be given to the winner
It'd be illegal not to pay both competitors.
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I understand Dana wanting fighters to compete and go all out to entertain the fans. Going balls out is how most above average fighters overachieve. Silva owes Dana and MMA fans nothing. Silva doesn't need to compensate for a lack of talent with heart and shit, his job is to win his fights and retain his championships.
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It'd be illegal not to pay both competitors.
right... because the whole point is that the two guys are competing
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I understand Dana wanting fighters to compete and go all out to entertain the fans. Going balls out is how most above average fighters overachieve. Silva owes Dana and MMA fans nothing. Silva doesn't need to compensate for a lack of talent with heart and shit, his job is to win his fights and retain his championships.
yes he does, because his performance affects buys
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right... because the whole point is that the two guys are competing
He is competing, but he isn't being dumb and going all out like a savage just so Dana White can buy a new car. He is competing, but not at 100% because he doesn't have to which is common sense.
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yes he does, because his performance affects buys
Has he not been a draw? If Dana wants UFC to be looked at as legitimate and not just human cock-fighting in arenas then he can't be solely concerned about making money. He needs to find somebody who can remotely challenge Silva. I do not understand how a mma promotion can cut the best fighter in the world because he isn't sacrificing himself while fighting people who aren't even close to his level.
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Dude come on now. Are you really breaking out the human cockfighting shit right now.

There is a different between fighting smart and not fighting at all. Aldo v faber is an example of smart fighting. Faber is always dangerous so aldo was picking his shots, but was still taking them. Anderson not only did NOT pick his shots, but then ran from any exchanges. Dont tell me, with his level of striking, that he had something to worry about with demian on the feet. Further more dont tell me that was his best efforts.

This is his job. He gets paid to do it. Dont get confused with fighting stupid with putting effort into the fight. If hes not going to put effort into what he does, he shouldnt get paid like he does or keep the job he has. How is that any different with any other job?
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Well, when your boss says you are the best in the world at your job things are different and he is winning fights. It isn't like he is bullshitting around and getting beat. He is going half-ass and still whooping ass.

My main point is that UFC can't be taken as seriously as they want to be if they cut the "best fighter in the world" according to them. I agree, he shouldn't be put in main events and making the big money with the way he is performing but you can't seriously cut a guy just because he isn't sacrificing his body to beat Joe Schmuck in 30 seconds instead of just beating him with minimal effort and minimal risk.
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Can he continue to be billed as "the best pound for pound fighter in the world" if he continues fighting like an ametuer in every fight? Of course not. It's all about competition and displaying skill. Anderson can have all the skill in the universe but if he chooses not to display it, then he doesn't belong where he is.
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Can he continue to be billed as "the best pound for pound fighter in the world" if he continues fighting like an ametuer in every fight? Of course not. It's all about competition and displaying skill. Anderson can have all the skill in the universe but if he chooses not to display it, then he doesn't belong where he is.
He has been crowned "the best pound for pound fighter in the world" and holds two titles. He is beating everybodys ass while going half-ass. I'd say until he gets challenged/beat, he should keep doing what he is doing because it is obviously working.
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First, I don't like what Anderson Silva does.

Second, he's a damn good fighter. They need to make the distinction between being a good fighter, and being unsportsmanlike like. The fact that he dances around and talks shit doesn't mean he isn't talented, it means he's a prick. People may not want to pay to see him fight because of it. However, it doesn't diminish his fighting ability.

With that said, I do agree with Dana saying that he believes most people would rather see a first round knockout, than a five round fight where the guy dances around like a fucking idiot.
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He has been crowned "the best pound for pound fighter in the world" and holds two titles. He is beating everybodys ass while going half-ass. I'd say until he gets challenged/beat, he should keep doing what he is doing because it is obviously working.
He holds two titles?
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He holds two titles?
Well, I was counting his Pride unification, but anyway he would hold two UFC titles if he grew a set and fought his BFF.
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My point is that, yes, Silva shouldn't be main eventing or even on PPV cards but you can call yourself the flagship company of a legitimate sport if you fire a guy because he is so much better than everybody else.
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That's the thing though isn't it. They would be firing him for not fighting, not for being "better" than everyone else.
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That's the thing though isn't it. They would be firing him for not fighting, not for being "better" than everyone else.
He is fighting...and WINNING.
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Not really, no. He is winning, but if he is that good he should be able to finish his fights.
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Not really, no. He is winning, but if he is that good he should be able to finish his fights.
See this is the argument, I don't think he has to fight a certain way just to give Dana White a boner. He just has to fight to win, and he is doing that.
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JS, this is MMA. There is an honor, a code even among fighters. One of the first things you learn when you compete in this arena is 'NEVER LET YOUR FIGHT GO TO THE JUDGES'. Dana didn't coin that term. If you can, you finish the fight.

Boxers don't learn this, hell they don't evne care anymore, as made obvious by the bullshit that i saw last night. Dana isn't being a dick to get a new car, he knows why people buy the ppvs, and he knows why people are divorcing boxing for mma. By Silva doing the stuff he's done in his last few fights, he drives more comparisons to something more dastardly than Human Cockfigthing....MMA looking like Boxing.
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he never won a belt in pride
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Boxers don't learn this, hell they don't evne care anymore, as made obvious by the bullshit that i saw last night. Dana isn't being a dick to get a new car, he knows why people buy the ppvs, and he knows why people are divorcing boxing for mma. By Silva doing the stuff he's done in his last few fights, he drives more comparisons to something more dastardly than Human Cockfigthing....MMA looking like Boxing.
Bullshit? Last night was a great display of boxing. I didn't like Anderson Silva clowning on a fellow professional, but saying you "go all out to finish the fight" is fucking idiotic. If Anderson Silva thinks he can do enough to win without putting his chin out there to get hit, then he should do exactly that. What differentiates the art or sport of boxing/fighting from a brawl is knowing that avoiding being hit is as important as hitting your opponent. I'd rather see a display of skill than two knuckleheads staggering around windmilling punches.
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