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Old 01-31-2017, 08:12 AM   #601
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Meltz says that someone told him he wouldn't like Cena's planned mania matchup.
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Meltz says that someone told him he wouldn't like Cena's planned mania matchup.
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For the record, I'm good with Orton vs Cena. I don't remember the last big match they had, they are two of the all time greats, and as far as I can remember they never had a one on one Mania match. Kinda reminds me of HHH and Rocky. They had tons of matches, but never had that one on one match at Mania.
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For the record, I'm good with Orton vs Cena. I don't remember the last big match they had, they are two of the all time greats, and as far as I can remember they never had a one on one Mania match. Kinda reminds me of HHH and Rocky. They had tons of matches, but never had that one on one match at Mania.
It was at everyones favourite event, the 2014 Rumble.

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The negative reaction of the fans attending the event in Pittsburgh was so great that it was reported as one of the major news items coming out of the show, and described as the live audience engineering a "takeover" of the final two hours of the show. During the title match between John Cena and Randy Orton, fans booed both men and chanted for Daniel Bryan, amongst other chants such as "this is awful".
I can't blame you for not remembering it, it wasn't very memorable.
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I'm not even sure if I watched that show.

Goldberg vs Lesnar wasnt well received in 2004, seems to be doing well now. So I wouldn't be too worried about a Cena v Orton match (if that's even the direction).

We'll have to wait for more scoopz from the"reporters". Maybe once they shoot the angle, the "reporters" will break the story on the direction. Much like the hot scoop about Sasha turning heel after she cuts a hell promo on Bayley on TV.
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Honestly, they pretty much liked everything.

The girl loved John Cena. The guy kind of popped for everything, he just like the showmanship and the dedication. He got a huge kick out of it. I think he was like "holy shit" when Owens fell through the chairs, and just kind of how ridiculous all of it was. I think it was novel watching it for the first time.
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If Cena vs Orton doesn't close it could be alright. If it closes that is lol
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If Cena vs Orton doesn't close it could be alright. If it closes that is lol
And there's some stipulation that says they will never face each other ever again. It would be the 79th time they'd be involved in the same match.
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According to profightdb it'd actually be the 152nd.
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Well now that this story of a potential Orton/Cena match at Mania is breaking, I'm gonna join the "i'm down with that" bandwagon. Cena/Orton is one of my favorite contemporary feuds ever, those guys are made to work together. So yeah I'm down with that, but I don't think it's happening. I think that Cena is going to drop the title at Elimination Chamber, Wyatt get's the belt and whomever it is that causes Cena to loose is who he goes against at Mania. I'm thinking it might be Baron Corbin now, since Dave said it's a match we probably aren't going to like.
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BTW, Cena/Orton was just me speculating. Noone has hinted at that
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I did go back to watch the 2014 Rumble title match though, it's hilarious and the match is so bad.

2014 Rumble title match amazingly hasn't been edited. Loud Daniel Bryan chants.

JBL: "I don't think the fans realise that Daniel Bryan wrestled earlier in the night. And lost!"

We want Angle chants now.

"You both suck" chant aimed at the Orton V Cena match.

Cole, during the chant: "This crowd is electric!!!"

This is slow paced and seemingly building to nothing. The only thing that got a positive reaction so far was Orton kicking Cena to stop the 5 knuckle shuffle. And rightfully so.

Ref bump, STF, Orton taps out, Orton hits him with the belt, expected kickout.

Prolonged un-needed waiting around, AA outta nowhere, kickout at 2.

"We want refunds" chant breaks out

Lawler: "Haha, you gotta love the WWE Universe, they're doing anything to distract Orton!"

Orton has a stroll around the ring for a while and looks like he smelled a fart. Locks in a better STF than Cena does.

Reversed into a crossface by Cena...

Orton hits an AA for 2

Orton takes a year to stand up, shakes his head. Feels like more pointless delaying for some reason.

Cena hits an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE for a 2 count

Slowly walking to the turnbuckle for a super AA spot, blocked, another STF.

Wyatts have finally shown up to a huge pop to save this tortured crowd

RKO, pin, woo.
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I subscribe to the observer so when Dave told me that I may not like the match for Cena at WM, I thought he would be referring to Cena/Corbin or Cena/Orton. It's a natural thought progression, and moreover to me, it's a great idea. (Cena/Orton)
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There was a rumor that Cena was pitched several ideas such as Joe, Taker or him and Nikki V Miz and Maryse.

I mean, it could be the last one.
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Love Cena and Orton but they seem to have awful chemistry with each other. It never turns out well.
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It won't be Cena vs Orton. It will be:

Orton vs Bray
Cena/Nikki vs Miz/Maryse
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I never thought of the mixed tag, man that's a horrible idea.
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I would be very interested in having Luke Harper go over Orton and insert himself into the inevitable Orton/Wyatt clash, making it a triple threat. Sure he's kind of a nobody, more or less but his work is so fucking good, even just that one lariat to Bray made mark out during the Rumble. I think it's a cool concept, the Wyatt Fam's explosion, plus I really think that match could be great. Better than without Harper, that's for sure.
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He got one of the biggest non-elimination/entrance pops at the Rumble teasing that Sister Abigal on Bray.

Even if not at Mania, I think it could be a fun feud.
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Cena vs Miz could be pretty good, no tag match though please.
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It seems like a letdown at the moment but they could, in theory, build up a story that makes Cena vs Miz feel like a big deal. Miz manages to eliminate Cena from the chamber match somehow but loses the match. Allows him to turn the cocky douchebag character up to 11 and gives him a legit gripe when he demands a title shot at WrestleMania since he beat the champion and Bryan's like "Sorry. Orton's already got the title shot." Adds heat to that feud. Miz could turn his attention to being jealous of Cena's celebrity status (which is obviously what Miz has always really wanted since before even coming to WWE) and uses eliminating Cena to at least get himself a high-profile WrestleMania match to prove he deserves all the attention. They could sell the match on promos alone. Which would be preferable to the two of them just constantly fighting each other in tag matches which will probably happen.
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Cena/Miz would've made more sense if Miz had won the Rumble in chickenshit fashion, I feel.
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Eh. Now that I've written it out and thought about it, I like the idea of an organic build for Cena/Miz. I think the title could add more fuel to the Wyatt-Orton match than it could Miz-Cena. If they were to book it like that, Miz-Cena would be set with no title necessary. Meanwhile, the tension built with Wyatt having the title and Orton being #1 contender would be better than just another "tag partners explode!" feud.
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Cena and Miz will stem from Miz/D-Bry as Cena will get tired of Miz picking on D-Bry. #BeAStar in full effect.

Promos between Cena/Miz I would expect to be pretty good tbh.
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I did go back to watch the 2014 Rumble title match though, it's hilarious and the match is so bad.

2014 Rumble title match amazingly hasn't been edited. Loud Daniel Bryan chants.

JBL: "I don't think the fans realise that Daniel Bryan wrestled earlier in the night. And lost!"

We want Angle chants now.

"You both suck" chant aimed at the Orton V Cena match.

Cole, during the chant: "This crowd is electric!!!"

This is slow paced and seemingly building to nothing. The only thing that got a positive reaction so far was Orton kicking Cena to stop the 5 knuckle shuffle. And rightfully so.

Ref bump, STF, Orton taps out, Orton hits him with the belt, expected kickout.

Prolonged un-needed waiting around, AA outta nowhere, kickout at 2.

"We want refunds" chant breaks out

Lawler: "Haha, you gotta love the WWE Universe, they're doing anything to distract Orton!"

Orton has a stroll around the ring for a while and looks like he smelled a fart. Locks in a better STF than Cena does.

Reversed into a crossface by Cena...

Orton hits an AA for 2

Orton takes a year to stand up, shakes his head. Feels like more pointless delaying for some reason.

Cena hits an RKO OUTTA NOWHERE for a 2 count

Slowly walking to the turnbuckle for a super AA spot, blocked, another STF.

Wyatts have finally shown up to a huge pop to save this tortured crowd

RKO, pin, woo.
sounds ELECTRIFYING
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Cena and Orton are both the kinda guys that can have five-star matches if they're working with the right guys. It would be interesting to see what they can do together, in 2017, with both of their "legendary" statuses, especially since they haven't really had any high-profile singles matches in a few years. Just not really too excited about it possibly headlining Wrestlemania but I guess we'll see how the booking for it goes if that were the case.
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Honestly, they pretty much liked everything.

The girl loved John Cena. The guy kind of popped for everything, he just like the showmanship and the dedication. He got a huge kick out of it. I think he was like "holy shit" when Owens fell through the chairs, and just kind of how ridiculous all of it was. I think it was novel watching it for the first time.
Also, he thought Jericho in the cage was fucking amazing. We all died laughing when Jericho and Owens started beating on Roman before the match. I think he took a shine to Jericho and his scarves and effeminate walk to the ring.

He liked how dudes like the Undertaker (who he actually knew) were treated with respect, like they actually had "legend status". Also just in general how ridiculous all of it was.
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Cena and Orton are two of the best ever but they've never had any chemistry together in the ring. They were just always put up against each other because for ages they were the two biggest names the company had.
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I subscribe to the observer so when Dave told me that I may not like the match for Cena at WM, I thought he would be referring to Cena/Corbin or Cena/Orton. It's a natural thought progression, and moreover to me, it's a great idea. (Cena/Orton)
You would think Dave would just reveal Cena's opponent if he claims to know. Hell since he feels like "we" won't like it, he could go back to his statement a couple weeks ago and reveal the match so it gets changed.

Oh but wait, he's full of shit, so he can't do that.
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I'm not entirely sure that they're not going to do Cena vs. Orton at this point, with The Wyatt Family adding a "fresh dynamic" to the feud. Orton vs. Wyatt does not feel like a WWE Title match. All signs point to it happening though.

Cena & Nikki vs. Miz & Maryse? Ugh. Cena is so much better than that at this point, but I guess it does keep Nikki out of a Women's Title program. It just kind of sucks that we need to sacrifice Cena to get that.
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Cena and Orton are two of the best ever but they've never had any chemistry together in the ring. They were just always put up against each other because for ages they were the two biggest names the company had.
Think a big reason is they rarely bothered to make Orton feel like Cena's equal whenever those two would feud. Part of it is due to his really poor win percentage against Cena and part due to Cena getting the Hogan or Super Cena treatment which makes it tough to build a real rival.

They wanted Orton-Cena feuds to be their new Rock-Austin mega feud but in reality Edge fit a lot better as Cena's "Rock" rival. Even the feud with Punk came off as being better as a mega type feud than Orton-Cena feuds before it.
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According to recent rumors if Cena/Nikki vs Miz/Maryse ends up happening at Mania, it would be due to Nikki pushing for that match and as her retirement from the WWE. Wants to have a match with Cena and retire in a similar way Brie did with Mania as her final event.

Also being rumored WWE has plans to turn Roman Reigns heel after Mania which is why they want Taker-Reigns to happen.
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Oh thank God. I think heel Reigns has all the potential in the world
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Orton vs Cena could work if they make it less storyline driven and more personal/rivalry driven.

THere's always the "WWE effect" when they wrestle. It's never just Orton vs Cena.
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I anticipated Goldberg would be going into Mania with a title of sorts but this is now just confusing.

I don't want to see him lose to Lesnar though it seems that way maybe for good reason: Goldberg will probably leave soon afterwards whereas Lesnar will still be back if somewhat sporadically.

Or perhaps in an "out of character" moment, the two wrestler a longer and decent match, Goldberg gets the better of Lesnar once again, Lesnar reluctantly shakes Goldberg's hand as a way of saying "I had to know for myself" and that draws a line under that feud? Lesnar already had his major WM moment and even another loss to Goldberg wouldn't harm his profile. But if Goldberg did win the title at Fastlane then Orton would be facing Cena for sure?


Cena v Taker would have been the dream match though. If my above scenario played out then I'd want Taker to win the belt, come out on Raw the next night and announce his retirement with him citing there's nothing left to do. Lesnar hurting from his loss to Goldberg comes out and reminds Taker of the one blemish on his record and referring to the fact Mania 34 will be back in NO, he challenges Taker to one last match at WM. Taker accepts after acknowledging he wants to avenge that defeat at WM so he can retire saying he beat all his WM opponents and like we had Rock v Cena at WM 28, we will have this confirmed a year in advance billed as Taker's last ever match.

It's no coincidence Taker was involved with the promo/launch of WM 34 PR a few weeks back given the venue and I suspect this could be on the cards.
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Maybe Orton puts his title shot on the line against Taker, Wyatt seething with jealousy comes out and costs him the match. Orton then returns the favour in the EC match and the two feud with each other.

It would be ridiculous yes and in which case they ought to have allowed Taker to win the RR.

I see Reigns and Strowman heading for a collision course too and maybe Reigns and Taker at a later date depending on whether he is still wrestling afterwards.
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WWE might be considering the idea of Lesnar and not Goldberg be the one to take the Universal title off of Kevin Owens. Has to do with a recent post-Fastlane card for MSG meant to be a Smackdown brand show but has a special RAW match included.

If that happens, the potential Goldberg-Lesnar Universal title match could have Lesnar as the champ and not Goldberg as previously speculated.

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I like the idea of Lesnar getting the belt. Right now, Goldberg has little reason to continue on with Lesnar. Put a belt on him, and the "one more run" as champ goal for Goldberg all of sudden presents itself, with Lesnar/Heyman using the title as a way to lure Goldberg into one more match.

Lesnar wins, great. He's a dominant champ and the belt becomes special again because he's only showing up for the big fights.

Goldberg wins? Great. He's s dominant champ and the belt becomes special again because he's only showing up for the big fights.
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Samoa Joe made his main roster debut in the final segment of RAW doing an attack on Seth Rollins just when it appeared Rollins and HHH were going to go at it. The plan was to set up Rollins vs. Joe at the Fast Lane PPV (2/22 in Milwaukee) and for that to lead to Rollins vs. HHH. Joe threw Rollins around outside the ring and more inside the ring. The injury, believed to be a torn MCL, happened as Joe took Rollins down to deliver his choke finisher and Rollins legs were flailing around rather than planted and his right knee went out. That was the same knee that he had reconstructive surgery on in 2015, which caused him to miss his scheduled 2016 WrestleMania match with HHH.
Rollins was getting an evaluation on the knee on 2/1 in Birmingham and the early word was that he’d be out about eight weeks, meaning that Mania was possible but not definite. Obviously he’ll want to do it under any circumstances when it’s that close of a call but WWE these days, for legal reasons, is far more cautious about throwing talent back into the ring before they are ready than has been the case historically.


So this is the current WrestleMania lineup with notes:


*Bill Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar for the Universal title. Goldberg should win the title at Fast Lane, the next show he’s appearing on. WrestleMania is the final match of Goldberg’s current contract, but given that he’s been a big success so far, there is no reason that can’t be renewed. Nevertheless, given the way the build has gone, one would expect Lesnar to come out as champion. And if that’s the case, the speculation would be on who he loses it to, with the latest pushes indicate Roman Reigns and Braun Strowman leading the pack.


*Undertaker vs. Reigns. They shot the angle in the Rumble, where Reigns eliminated Undertaker. As noted before, Reigns will be booed out of the building against Undertaker. It was noted to us that Vince McMahon had been wanting to make this match for some time. With Undertaker’s condition the way it is, this could have been the last chance to do it. There is the idea of a generational passing of the torch. That could mean a Reigns win and a heel run with the idea the fans turned on him, since long-term the goal is still to be the face of the company. It could mean an Undertaker win as a way to humanize Reigns, and get endorsed by Undertaker (which also could come if Reigns wins and they are dead set against the heel turn even though the crowd reactions at least on TV’s and PPV’s will continue to be strongly negative). Undertaker was clearly not in shape in the Rumble. From what we understand, even though he did very little in the match, his hip was hurting badly after his recent surgery. He needs hip replacement surgery, but he’s been putting it off until he ends his career. Hopefully with two more months he can be in good enough shape to be able to do a solid lengthy singles match.


*HHH vs. Seth Rollins. Obviously this is in jeopardy right now. Plans for an alternate feud for Triple H were discussed earlier today. When we have more information about those discussions we will share the information.


*Bray Wyatt vs. Randy Orton for the WWE title. The first part of the planned set up came through with Orton winning. Wyatt is scheduled to win the Elimination Chamber match and win the title at this stage I can’t see that changing. Orton is to be the babyface in this program. Either way, it’s likely the two will continue their program after WrestleMania, which also takes A.J. Styles out of the title picture for now.


*Chris Jericho vs. Kevin Owens. No word if the U.S. title will be at stake. Jericho’s run was supposed to originally end a long time ago, but things worked out well for him and he’s inked new short-term deals. He does have some concerts scheduled for 5/27 to 6/9, but that’s it, so it’s not a lock he’s leaving after WrestleMania as it once appeared.


*John Cena & Nikki Bella vs. The Miz & Maryse. This is notable in a lot of ways. When this match came out, a ton of people internally were rolling their eyes about it. On one hand, it does feel like a waste for Cena, who was originally to face Undertaker, and there was also talk of Samoa Joe and others. But there is also a lot of talk that it would be Nikki Bella’s last match (there are reports of that but nobody we’ve asked about it internally either had any knowledge or confirmed it). If so, you can see her wanting to go out with her boyfriend at WrestleMania and see him maybe wanting that as well. Miz has done a great job of late and the Miz & Maryse couple are a near main event level act. With the storyline where Natalya pushed that “John will never marry you,” I keep thinking this could lead to a proposal, and if that’s the case, in the big picture, this match makes sense. I don’t know that’s the case. That would be a far bigger thing as far as something memorable than anything, even a great match with A.J. Styles, that Cena could be to the majority of fans.


*Big Show vs. Shaquille O’Neal. It really doesn’t matter what they do here. O’Neal should lose since it’s not like he’s coming back and Show is, but in these types of situations, the rule of thumb is to put the celebrity over because it’s all about the post-show coverage, and to the real world, clips of Shaq winning play better than Show winning. Show is 45 years old and his winning or losing means nothing in the long run.


*Charlotte vs. Bayley vs. Nia Jax vs. Sasha Banks for the women’s title. They are pushing the Charlotte PPV winning streak hard. WrestleMania would be the time to lose it. Bayley is obviously the person to win it. To me, that’s actually too soon for the story, but WrestleMania is so obviously the place to do it. Plus it would enable a Bayley vs. Banks match at SummerSlam in Brooklyn. But given the work Charlotte has done in building up the value of the title in recent months, and her presence on interviews which none of the other women have, it’s hard for me to see her out of the title picture for any length of time.


The other match that is rumored that looks likely, but not confirmed is A.J. Styles vs. Shane McMahon.


That pretty much takes care of most of the show. There could be an IC title match with Dean Ambrose. With Miz in the Cena match, that puts either Baron Corbin or Dolph Ziggler as the leading contenders for it. There are also both brand tag team titles and the Smackdown women’s title. Corbin also makes sense in the Andre the Giant Battle Royal, where Braun Strowman, at one time scheduled to win it last year, would be the favorite. As far as top guys go, with the exception of Finn Balor, that seems to take care of everyone.


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*John Cena & Nikki Bella vs. The Miz & Maryse ... But there is also a lot of talk that it would be Nikki Bella’s last match (there are reports of that but nobody we’ve asked about it internally either had any knowledge or confirmed it). If so, you can see her wanting to go out with her boyfriend at WrestleMania and see him maybe wanting that as well ... With the storyline where Natalya pushed that “John will never marry you,” I keep thinking this could lead to a proposal, and if that’s the case, in the big picture, this match makes sense. I don’t know that’s the case. That would be a far bigger thing as far as something memorable than anything, even a great match with A.J. Styles, that Cena could be to the majority of fans.
Going to laugh if this just ends up being one big stunt for Total Divas or Total Bellas instead of being this gen's version of the Macho-Liz WWF proposal and marriage.
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