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Old 05-14-2009, 09:50 AM   #521
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I don't have a problem with the Juliet thing. We've seen multiple times where someone on the island can't die until they've served their purpose.


And honestly, if you're complaining about something being too over the top, I don't think Lost is the show for you.
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Old 05-14-2009, 09:56 AM   #522
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As far as Juliet not dying from the fall - If the things that fell down the shaft hit the bottom hard, the bomb would have gone off. For whatever reason, I think she and the bomb both had a fairly smooth landing at the bottom. Whether that's a result of the electromagnetism or just the Island defending itself, I think that's why it happened the way it did. The debris and things formed sort of a cocoon around her, which leads me to think that something about the specific part where they landed is significant and we'll find out more in January.

I think Juliet is probably dead, but I don't think the explosion made its way up to the surface, meaning the radiation and electromagnetism is still down in the Swan, which means Dharma will need to cover it with some sort of device (a hatch, if you will) to keep it from infecting the rest of the Island. It also keeps with the hatch people assuming that anyone on the outside is infected, because every time they push the button, it releases electromagnetism and H-bomb radiation into the atmo.

Plus, the swerve at the end about John was phenomenal, but now I need to read up on my Egyptian mythology to figure out who he could be. Is "John" Anubis, judging Jacob for what he's done on the Island? So, does that make Smokey the crocodile/lion/hippo Amit? Or is "John" Amit, Jacob Anubis, and Smokey something else entirely? Or is the significance of the Egyptian symbolism something else entirely and I'm pushing my brain too hard to tie it into the Jacob/"John" story?

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I think they probably flashed to 2007 with Sun, Frank, Ilana etc. But who knows anything with Lost. Like Supreme said it's probably pointless theorizing.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:09 AM   #524
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What did Richard say to Illana on the beach?
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:10 AM   #525
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The They that are coming are the Losties from 77...all of whom were personally "selected" by Jacob...

Wow, what a mind fuck with Locke...he really is dead. "He" is the other guy from the beginning....who is he? WTF!

Im trying to still come up with ideas. But why didnt Sun go back in time? Im trying to wrap my head around the groups and shit, but she has really served no purpose this season.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:16 AM   #526
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Anyone else feel quite sad that the real Locke is dead? and his whole life was a real tragedy.
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It was latin and roughly translates to "He who will save us all"
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Yea, I'm thinking that the white flash at the end of the episode was a time shift instead of the bomb. However, I feel as if Juliet won't show up with the rest of of the group because she was the only one not visited by Jacob in her flashback. Even Illana was visited by Jacob.
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Yeah I was thinking that the "they" that Jacob was referring to was the people he touched and we're going to get an all out war of the losties plus Ilanas group against this enemy of Jacob.

I do think it was significant aswell that jacob didn't visit Juliet in her flashback, because I highly doubt that flashback scene was there for the sole purpose of giving her the mindset that while two people can love eachother, they may not be meant to be together.
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Old 05-14-2009, 10:33 AM   #530
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Am I right in thinking that Sun was not "touched" by Jacob? Perhaps that is why she is still in "present day" rather than shooting back to the past?

Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, etc were all touched and all ended up back in the 70's.
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Am I right in thinking that Sun was not "touched" by Jacob? Perhaps that is why she is still in "present day" rather than shooting back to the past?

Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, etc were all touched and all ended up back in the 70's.
Just checked that and he touched both Sun and Jin at their wedding.
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wtf, who are these Losties you speak of?
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He was touched Locke in a flashback but we don't know the significance of that yet as the true Locke appears to be dead.
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Jack, Sawyer, Sayid, Kate, Hurley, etc. I guess you could potentially add Miles and Juliet to the list since they were with them in '77.
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is Losties a name you guys came up with or what? I've never heard that before reading it here
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it's been a name that's been around since season 1 for fans I think. Aswell as tailies for the tail section survivors like Eko, Libby, Ana Lucia etc.
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just thought of something

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were all these "dead people" or "ghosts" that appeared over the course of the seasons just this unnamed man who tricked Ben into killing Jacob? From Christian Shepard, to Walt, to Charlie to Alex and many more. These "ghosts" could of all been this dude. And this guy has basically used everyone and has set up everything over the course of 5 seasons to fullfill his ultimate goal of killing Jacob.
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This is what I was thinking. The way their conversation went at the beginning leads me to believe that these two men have been fighting with eachother for who knows how long. The man in black said something about how they always come, always destroy, always corrupt.. etc.. like it has happened before.

Is the man in black the smoke monster? I was thinking about it.. perhaps they can't kill eachother directly. It seems like maybe Jacob kept the man in black as his prisoner. Maybe he was trying to get a series of events to happen that would kill the man once and for all. Ben was supposed to be his way of killing the man. Instead, the man appeared to Locke as Christian and told him he had to die. I think perhaps he was the one all along who created these images of people, in order to steer them other directions. Just as planned, Locke dies, the other people come back.. He comes back as Locke. He convinces Ben to believe everything John says, and gets him to kill Jacob. But... Jacob said "you have a choice" indicating that this didn't have to be the end. Maybe this particular event wasn't predestined. After all, in the beginning, he says there are many events in the middle, but only one end. And while Ben still killed Jacob, Juliet blew up the bomb, which could essentially either reset things, or just affect things in the future just as they'd already happened.

idk.. show just took a huge turn, and I like it. I just want to know more about the man in black and Jacob.

Also, I think Richard is from the Black Rock.

Edit: Also, about the other people making appearances... Jacob told Hurley he wasn't crazy.. Is he causing them to appear, or is the man in black?
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yes, exactly. lots of questions.

by the way, I am trying to explain this to someone right now. Why did Ben kill John again?
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I think Ben killed John thinking bam.. he'd be dead. Of course, John was suddenly alive on the island, which surprised him. He got the information he needed from him, and didn't need him anymore, and viewed him as a threat (he always disliked John), so he killed him.

Now though, I am wondering if he killed him because he'd been told do or something. I dunno, maybe not.. but this does raise a lot of questions. This brings up shit that happened way back even. Like the old man in the cabin from way back. Was that the man in black, simply held prisoner by Jacob for so many years or something?
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Seems like Jacob touched the Losties and set their lives on a course that would take them to the island. With Kate he paid for the lunch box and so the cops weren't called at a young age and she kept on stealing. With Sawyer he gave him the pencil that allowed him to finish the letter. With Hurley he convinced him he was blessed and that he should be on the plane. With Sayid he distracted him long enough for his wife to get injured and she was taken to the place where a suicide bomber would eventually kill her. At Sun an Jin's wedding he showed up and said not to take each other's love for granted, which they do, so I'm guessing that has something to do with sowing "strange feelings" in the marriage at that early stage. I forget what he does with Jack besides give him a candy bar.
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yes, also was I was thinking this morning. With Jack, didn't he say something like "all we need is a little push sometimes." to Jack.
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Old 05-14-2009, 02:23 PM   #544
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That sounds right. I guess with Jack he wouldn't have had to do that much since his issues with his dad were pretty much going to play out how they did and Jack would be on the plane anyhow.

I left out Locke. It's unclear as to whether or not Jacob actually saved John's life after the fall, or just offered him some comforting words.
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were all these "dead people" or "ghosts" that appeared over the course of the seasons just this unnamed man who tricked Ben into killing Jacob? From Christian Shepard, to Walt, to Charlie to Alex and many more. These "ghosts" could of all been this dude. And this guy has basically used everyone and has set up everything over the course of 5 seasons to fullfill his ultimate goal of killing Jacob.
This would also explain why Locke had to die in order to save everyone which never made sense to me. Evil Locke told Richard to tell Good Locke he would have to die.
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Ugh they always kill off the female characters, I liked Juliet.
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Also I hope there was a reason why Sun wasn't flashed to 1977, and I hope it is explained soon, rather than a plot device to hold off the Jin and Sun reunion.
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I don't have much of a choice but wait until then.
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Reading a lot of theories about how the story has a lot in common with Jacob and Esau, the sons of Isaac and grandsons of Abraham from the Bible. People have even started referring to the man in black as Esau for short.
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Where's Claire?

This sucked. This was the same being 15 years old about to fuck the hottest chick you know only to cum in your pants before you've even kissed her.... not that I'd know this
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Read that Richard's response to the "What lies in the shadow of the statue" question was "He who will save us all" in Latin.
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People asking why Claire wasn't in the finale.... She was never meant to be in this season at all, even she said that after the season 4 finale last year.

But she is part of the main cast for next season....

Rose and Bernards Little Getaway....Looked a hell of a lot like jacobs cabin
if you disagree please take another look, the tree being right next to it.

okay i was wrong bout the cabin, just compared them they look alike but for the sake of that massive tree next to jacobs cabin
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well seeing how they would be at the cabin 30 years before it gets burned dowm... the tree had time to grow gigantic


it was the same cabin
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did you notice the painted picture of the yellow lab in laying on the floor when the girl was looking through the cabin?
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i am thinking rose and bernard are 'adam and eve', the two skeletons they found way back in that cave..
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It wasn't the same cabin. Remember the dream Locke had where he imagined Horace (I think) building Jacob's cabin. There is an entirely separate storyline about how Jacob's cabin came into existence.
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wow, with all the bible referances you guys are spouting off, maybe this entire show is about the Book of Genesis.
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Locke is Moses leading his people to the promised land. lol
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