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Old 06-27-2007, 10:06 PM   #1241
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Not only was Chris Benoit a topic on Pardon the Interruption on ESPN... IT WAS THE LEAD STORY!!! They debated whether or not steroids should be regulated in pro wrestling. Around the Horn prior to PTI had Benoit in their "Out of Bounds" topic debating how the Benoit tragedy reflects on the WWE and talking about the steroids. I hear that ITunes has the ATH and PTI podcasts(all Itunes podcasts are free.) if you wanna watch. ATH the topic is midway or so in on PTI its about 2 minutes in.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:48 PM   #1242
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:48 PM   #1243
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It seems this story is going to dominate the headlines for weeks and weeks to come.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:51 PM   #1244
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WWE has removed EVERYTHING Benoit from their site, Even on DVD descripitons.

On the WM 20 DVD it says

Triple H defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels

Tons and Tons of stores has removed the Benoit DVD. I bet that it will be a collectable DVD to own
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:13 PM   #1245
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Just read this article over at 1wrestling

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29057

Now i have to ask is this guy for real,there was innocence still left in wrestling??.
And to claim it as a victim is outright laughable,only in a world this messed up can one man's actions be used in such a way.
The industry with some innocence chews people up and spits them out on a daily basis,Maybe if the industry actually acted like a family as it keeps referring to this may have been averted.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:21 PM   #1246
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WWE has removed EVERYTHING Benoit from their site, Even on DVD descripitons.

On the WM 20 DVD it says

Triple H defends the WHC against Shawn Michaels

Tons and Tons of stores has removed the Benoit DVD. I bet that it will be a collectable DVD to own
I'm wondering how long before we see another Benoit match on a DVD release. Would they edit out matches with Benoit in say the SummerSlam sets? And eventually you're going to run into wrestlers who had a match that deserves to be on their set with Benoit.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:27 PM   #1247
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Yeah... that'll be tricky. I don't think they should just erase him from everything, to the point of affecting others. Maybe the most I'd advocate is removing his name from the listings, but not actually editing the matches. It'd be sort of stupid if he was like blurred out while applying a crossface to the main homage wrestler of a DVD or something.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:31 PM   #1248
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Boy, the 2004 Royal Rumble would have been a hell of a blurring job.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:33 PM   #1249
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The next WWE DVD's come out Aug 7th (Austin and WCCW) and while Benoit had nothing to do with WCCW a match of his against Austin might be on Stone Colds so you wonder if WWE would delay the release. Benoit is also featured frequently on the ''Do Not Try This at Home'' segments that precede a WWE DVD.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:34 PM   #1250
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No clue on future releases. Benoit ME Summerslam 04 against Orton and if Orton ever gets a DVD that and his Foley match are his 2 biggest matches to date and it would have to make the DVD.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:37 PM   #1251
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Yeah... that'll be tricky. I don't think they should just erase him from everything, to the point of affecting others. Maybe the most I'd advocate is removing his name from the listings, but not actually editing the matches. It'd be sort of stupid if he was like blurred out while applying a crossface to the main homage wrestler of a DVD or something.


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"Bret Hart appeared on Nancy Grace, although no new information was revealed during the program. In fact, Grace seemed to be ill-informed, at one point talking about Benoit suffering a "demotion" from the Four Horsemen to Raw."

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Old 06-28-2007, 12:14 AM   #1254
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Nancy Grace is out of touch on so many topics she tries to cover.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:20 AM   #1255
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Yeah a lot of this Media coverage is terrible.

I know people view wrestling as a total joke and a waste of time which it might be, but c'mon at least do some research.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:47 AM   #1257
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You know, no matter how much TV coverage and internet articles/conversations I read...this still isn't sinking in. It's like my eyes are watching all this, but my brain is in a state of disbelief that this could possibly be real. The only other time in my life that I can say this type of feeling has come over me was on 9/11.

It's just beyond bizarre that in a world full of tragic deaths, purposely ridiculous storylines, continuity fuck ups, jackassicly stupid booking scenerios, etc.......Benoit's life has the most unbelievable ending of them all.


Noone would ever dream of even suggesting this as a fictional angle because noone would believe it...and people agreed to run with Kurt Angle beastiality sex and Katie Vick.
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"Bret Hart appeared on Nancy Grace, although no new information was revealed during the program. In fact, Grace seemed to be ill-informed, at one point talking about Benoit suffering a "demotion" from the Four Horsemen to Raw."

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Old 06-28-2007, 04:18 AM   #1261
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lol Nancy. Benoit woulda put her in the Strangler if he woulda heard that. BAH GAWD NANCY AIN'T TAPPIN' OUT, HE'S CHOKIN HER.
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Old 06-28-2007, 04:29 AM   #1262
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Hell, they may not even release the Summerslam and Survivor Series sets due to this shit.
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They'll find a way around this shit.

They can just take his matches off the card. He's only been in main events of ppvs a limited amount of time. Some of which during brand extension featured more than one world title match which could allow for rearranging and deletion of that title match.
Matches will be lost, but they already have been by the cloud over them, and they're being taken out for good reason.
Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.

Most of his other ppv matches will be easy to take out without it being noticeable.

As for his inclusion in montages and the like, that's easy as hell to change. Mention of him in other matches commentary can be easily deleted or dubbed out.

And as for his presence on upcoming career dvd sets...If a wrestler is worthy of a career dvd set, then its not gonna depend on just matches with Benoit. There should be plenty of matches with others to use instead. Normally, some would be worthy to be on there, but not anymore.
Matches again are lost, and in a way it's "not fair" to the set or the wrestler, but that's the way it is. I'm sure most if not all of the wrestlers would prefer their match with him left off since matches on dvd sets are their favorite or most meaningful matches.
For instance, take a Jericho dvd set. A shit ton of great matches will be lost, but that's how its gotta be. They're no longer great and no longer have a place. The wrestler worthy of a dvd set will have plenty else to draw from.

This will take effort on the part of WWE home video, but it can be done
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:06 AM   #1264
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I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.
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Vince was just on Today show

Very well spoken, the bitch attacked him with false and misleading information. He remained calm and spoke very well.
Referred to Benoit as a monster which I think is right.

very good work by Vince. But unfortunately no matter how right he is, how well he speaks, how many good points he makes, how many debates he wins, or how much good he does...they always have, currently are, and always will try to paint him as the bad guy.
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the fucking morons tried to put a spin on Owen's death. They counted it as a heart attack death in their assault on steroids.
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Old 06-28-2007, 07:29 AM   #1268
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I'm not convinced that pretending he didn't exist is the best way to go.

I don't see how any of this means we can't celebrate his work in the ring.
It seems Chris finally done something that the wwe finally take huge umbridge with,i know it is a shocking crime but the company welcome with open arms alcoholics,druggies,wife beaters et all.
It sort of sends the message that killing your family is heinous but everything else is ok,we can still make a shit load of cash from you,maybe thats the real reason behind them erasing him from everything.
As i cant see the wwe suddenly developing scrupples
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alcohol buse, drugs and domestic abuse are things that are present everywhere. In every profession. Always.

They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc.
Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement.


Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy.

Bad point.



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Old 06-28-2007, 07:48 AM   #1270
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ford fairlane has done some stupid things
To a certain extent they deal with it when the whole world knows that the person in question has a problem,take the stone cold situation beat his wife got chased down with the cops,going by his ex-wifes words used roids,but still they welcome him back with open arms.
The real point of this seems to be if the erase chris benoit they absolve themselves,people are focusing on the use of steroids,should they not be also looking at the pressure wrestlers are put under by management.

It is so easy to label someone a monster and be done with it,but to be honest you have to look at what made the person become a monster as well,im sure when more comes out they will be plenty of blame to go around,but the buck stops with chris i know this most people know this,but i think most people want to know why,what made him snap in such a explosive fashion.
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alcohol buse, drugs and domestic abuse are things that are present everywhere. In every profession. Always.

They're personal issues that are present everywhere you turn. Those 3 examples are things the WWE has no business in. They take care of what they need to take care of with employees. If you're a druggie to the point where it's becoming known and carrying over into you're work, it then becomes their business. I.E Kurt Angle, Road Dogg, etc.
Other legal issues either don't become known or are irrelevant to employment of a person anywhere they work. They are dealt with by the parties involved and law enforcement.


Double homicide and suicide is much different buddy.

Bad point.
So the WWE have had morals all along? I find that hard to believe. Masters rapid size change after Eddie's death is not natural. I don't know whether or not the WWE encourage the use of steroids/painkillers by glossing over the use with a 'prescribed to' stamp.

The sort of attitude we're seeing is that it's ok to juice, to ravage your body with painkillers - as long as you don't kill anybody. It's only business after all.
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He wasn't talking about steroids. He was talking about domestic abuse, alcohol, and 'druggies' which obviously referred to recreational drug use.
He made no reference to steroids

What the fuck is your problem?
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p.s.

Every one of us have known about steroid use and the 'ravaging' of bodies since as long as we have known about wrestling. Suddenly we have morals?? All of a sudden we can drop the hammer and point fingers and say, oh it didn't matter to us before but it does now? Or is the claim that they've been bad all along and should be judged as so, even though we haven't cared all along and now you're condemning them?

I agree there should be changes, but come on.
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Stone Cold is gonna be on Regis and Kelly. It's on right now, I don't know what time he's coming on. Clearly on hand to talk about the incident. Unless of course he's on to announce the long awaited DVD release of the 3-disc The Condemned Extended Directors Cut.
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Take for instance WMXX, you just take the Eddie vs Angle match and make it the main event.
I doubt Hunter or Shawn are going to be too upset by this. They'd prob feel it right, and it's not like that one match is key to their legacy.
I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.
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There are fascinating articles all over the web that explain why Benoit may have done what he did. I posted them on here but someone decided to delete them.

Benoit may have believed family was 'better off in heaven'
By Eliza Barlow, SUN MEDIA

Chris Benoit may have been so depressed that he believed his family would be “better off in heaven” when he allegedly murdered his wife and son before killing himself, says an expert on murder-suicide. WWE wrestler Benoit, his wife Nancy and son Daniel, 7, were found dead Monday in their suburban Atlanta home.

Local police are treating the case as a murder-suicide.

Dr. John Bradford, associate chief of the integrated forensic program for the Royal Ottawa Health Care Group, said murder-suicides that wipe out a family are most often carried out by the father.

“The most usual cause is a major depression, normally a severe one with psychotic features,” said Bradford, also a professor of forensic psychiatry at the University of Ottawa.

“They sort of start to think, in this psychotic thinking, that the whole family would be better off in heaven ... That, ‘This is a horrible place, I think we’d all be better off dead.’”

Psychiatrists commonly refer to murder-suicide as “extended suicide,” when the killer decides life is not worth living, he said.

Police in Georgia say they will be investigating whether steroid use was a factor in the case.

Prescription anabolic steroids were found in the home.

Bradford said steroid use carries “a lot of baggage” when it comes to psychiatric health because the drugs alter brain and body chemistry.

“People that abuse steroids carry with them an increase risk of rage and rage attacks. There’s also an increased risk of depression, so it’s kind of a double whammy.”

Dads who decide to kill their kids often turn to methods such as smothering because they don’t want the children to suffer, said Bradford.

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Apparently Benoit felt, in his twisted mind, that he was doing the right thing by taking his son with him.
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I don't know if it matters of if HHH thinks it matters, but him tapping clean at the biggest PPV ever really is a big part of the equation of his legacy.

Eh, he did it again at 22, and was pinned cleanly at 21. He also won the match at 16, 19 and 18.
I know what you're saying, and either way I'm just saying I don't think it would be hard for them to edit things out, nor would it be that devestating to anyones legacy other than Benoit's
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Actually editing DVDs would also have the unintended but still existing effect of making the original unedited ones instant collector's items. Just putting that out there.

Also, I have a feeling I might not be able to so much as give away my damn Benoit DVD, much less make money for it at a used place.
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