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Old 06-28-2007, 10:33 AM   #1281
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Here is a recap of the Benoit tragedy being debated on Around the Horn yesterday for those who don't have or don't want ITunes or the podcasts or don't watch ESPN.

Panelists: J.A. Adande(former Los Angeles Times columnist), Jay Mariotti (Chicago Sun-Times), and Michael Smith(ESPN)

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OUT OF BOUNDS: How does Chris Benoit's death reflect on the WWE? [non-scoring topic]
Adande notes a disturbing trend among wrestlers in general: since 1985, 63 wrestlers have died before age 50. Furthermore, after staging the "death" of Vince McMahon, the WWE needs to ask themselves what kind of values they represent. Mariotti is disgusted with McMahon's statement denying that steroids factored in Benoit's death before the final toxicology report. Between baseball and this, he says it's time for the goverment to step in. Smith calls it premature to connect this murder-suicide to steroids, but the HGH needle found in the arm of the 7-year-old son Benoit also killed is circumstantial evidence to Jay.


Additions: Mariotti said how dare Mcmahon try to protect his company, and mention Eddie's death in '05 mentioning steroids(although he forgot to mention Eddie was clean and sober at his death and only his past caught up to him years later) and Curt Henning in '03(steriods too, although he didn't mention the fact Henning also died of cocaine as well) Mariotti stretching the truth once again... no wonder sports fans in Chicago hate him.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:26 AM   #1282
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Marlotti needs to fuck off by the sounds of it. All these news reporters just want the WWE to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of the Benoits family deaths. That's fucking low if you ask me.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:29 AM   #1283
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:37 AM   #1284
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All these news reporters just want anyone and anything to crash n burn and makethemselves look good out of any sort of tragedy that unfolds. That's fucking low if you ask me.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:49 AM   #1286
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:06 PM   #1290
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I was watching some news reports last night that I had recorded and then that Linkin Park song "What I've Done" came on the radio. When they showed a clip of Benoit hugging/kissing his son in the ring after winning the belt I just started crying.

They lyrics of the song with this scenerio is just





















FUCK YOU BENOIT FOR MAKING ME EMO! :foc:
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:47 PM   #1293
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Fox News is saying that authorities raided Benoits personal doctor's office..
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The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.

The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.

wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. The police department did not return calls for comment.

It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

From PWInsider.

Holy shit.

I want to say that it was some false information (or Fox News is pulling this out of their ass), but the fact that it came from Stamford leads me to believe someone knew something was up.
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Old 06-28-2007, 01:55 PM   #1299
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That's... odd... god dammit, why does this have to keep getting freaky. Hopefully it was just some stupid ass.
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Goddamn. This just keeps getting weirder.
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FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.


Is this along with the Wikipedia post 14 hours before the bodies were found offer the ray of light for the Benoit-Didn't-Do-It fans?

Man, if WWE could make storylines like these I know where I would be every Monday and Friday night.
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Old 06-28-2007, 02:32 PM   #1302
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Wow, two deaths in about two weeks both linked to Sullivan.

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Kevin Sullivan showed up to the house and wrote the Benoit family into a storyline where he kills them all. Benoit, the pro's pro, didnt complain obviously.

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This wikipedia thing is freaking me out. What are the odd that the IP was from Stamford,CT. If this is a work, i'll fucking riot.
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:13 PM   #1310
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That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:13 PM   #1311
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This shit is just too out of control. Most everyone has been saying of how a monster did this sort of thing, but no one has ever believed that Chris could be that type of person. I'm not 100% against Benoit on this, and thinking there could be other situations involved. But damn, i've heard of reasons of how he didn't do it, and reasons why he did. So I really don't know what to think until everything is out in the open.
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:15 PM   #1312
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Is this Wikipedia thing legit?
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:19 PM   #1313
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That is just creepy - although odds are it was just a clown messing about - guessing what the reason for his absence was.
Ok, now, when I first heard "family issues," I thought, "someone died."

Now, if I had known anything about his wife, I might have thought, "hm, his wife died."

Now, if I put those two things together, and were a complete asshole, I might decide to change Wikipedia in the spirit of assholiness.

So I can see it happening... but it's still creepy.

Alternatively:

"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because of a family emergency."
>>>
"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because someone at home was sick."
>>>
"Hey, Benoit missed a show because someone in his family died."
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"Benoit missed a show because his wife died."
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"Benoit's wife died? Wikipedia must know!"

Telephone game, y'know?
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:28 PM   #1314
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Ok, now, when I first heard "family issues," I thought, "someone died."

Now, if I had known anything about his wife, I might have thought, "hm, his wife died."

Now, if I put those two things together, and were a complete asshole, I might decide to change Wikipedia in the spirit of assholiness.

So I can see it happening... but it's still creepy.

Alternatively:

"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because of a family emergency."
>>>
"Hey, Chris Benoit missed a show because someone at home was sick."
>>>
"Hey, Benoit missed a show because someone in his family died."
>>>
"Benoit missed a show because his wife died."
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"Benoit's wife died? Wikipedia must know!"

Telephone game, y'know?
True, just really weird how it was from stanford. of all the places in the USA / World .. it would be interesting to see what other posts that IP address made.
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Very true
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There is one more article I found at pwheadlines.com that makes me think something else may have happened.

Bob Ryder at 1wrestling.com recently spoke with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit, there were apparently warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit. One person who wanted to remain nameless said:

"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."
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Old 06-28-2007, 03:51 PM   #1317
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The Fox News Network reported a chilling twist to the Benoit tragedy this afternoon, noting that an Chris Benoit profile entry on the wikipedia website was changed to note that he missed the WWE Vengeance PPV, "due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy" 14 hours before the Benoit family was found dead.

The IP was traced to a (so far) anonymous user originating in Stamford, CT, which of course is the headquarters of World Wrestling Entertainment.

wikipedia volunteer coordinator Cary Bass contacted the Fayetteville police department in regard to the posting. The police department did not return calls for comment.

It should be noted that with wikipedia, anyone can edit entries on the online encylopedia, which often leads to misinformation on topics and personalities. Given the timing of the Benoit tragedy, obviously, authorities will be seeking to track down whoever made that change.

From PWInsider.

Holy shit.

I want to say that it was some false information (or Fox News is pulling this out of their ass), but the fact that it came from Stamford leads me to believe someone knew something was up.

Yeah, I was gonna post this! HOLY SHIT is right man!! This is just fucked up. I don't see how or why any of this happened, but I REALLY FAIL to see how making a Wikipedia update becomes first priority at WWE headquarters if someone indeed had the information.
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This Wikipedia thing needs to be investigated hardcore, this could mean that it wasn't a suicide at all.
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HOLY CRAP!!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html

Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home
Thursday, June 28, 2007

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An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.

Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.

The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment:

"Need a reliable source. Saying that his wife died is a pretty big statement, you need to back it up with something."

The posting apparently was made in reference to Benoit's scheduled appearance on Sunday night at an Extreme Championship Wrestling event in Texas.

An employee from Wikipedia.org told FOXNews.com that he called and left a message with investigative authorities in Fayetteville, Ga., at around 11 a.m. EDT on Tuesday, after the posting was brought to the attention of the St. Petersburg, Fla.-based Web site.

“I chat with other editors on IRC — Internet relay chat — and somebody pointed it out to me on a relay chat and that it came from a Stamford connection, and that it took place at midnight Eastern Standard Time on Monday morning,” said Wikipedia.org volunteer coordinator Cary Bass. “I called and left a message with the police department.”

The computer-generated time and date stamp of the Benoit entry are listed as 4:01, 25 June 2007. Wikipedia.org lists its entries according to Universal Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time.

Further investigation, according to Wikipedia.com, shows that one hour after the first edit reversion, another anonymous edit by 125.63.148.173 using unwiredAustralia.com.au, a wireless Internet service provider, was made adding about the aforementioned personal issues: "which according to several pro wrestling websites is attributed to the passing of Benoit's wife, Nancy."

That edit was reverted less than 20 minutes later, with the following comment: "Saying 'several pro wrestling websites' is still not reliable information." The second edit was made by a computer in Australia from a wireless network, according to Wikipedia.org.

A message left by FOXNews.com with Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department was not immediately returned.

Investigators so far have ruled the Benoit killings as a double homicide-suicide.

Wikipedia.org claims to be one of the largest reference Web sites, and is written collaboratively by users from around the world. Approved users can make submissions and change entries that are posted on the site almost immediately. Bass said the site is constantly monitored to correct inaccuracies.

Bass said when there is a high-profile case, such as the Benoit killlings, Wikipedia.org limits postings to registered users, which is now indicated at the top of the Benoit entry. According to the listed history on the Benoit entry, the computer used to post the 12:01 a.m. entry had a Stamford, Conn., Internet Protocol — or IP — address, a numeric designation that is assigned to every computer with an Internet connection, and that same address has been used to post about a dozen other messages on the site, dating back to May 16, 2007.

In related news, FOXNews.com also has learned, through widely posted Web reports, that former pro wrestler Sherri Martel, who was found dead on June 15, was linked to former wrestler Kevin Sullivan — ex-husband of Nancy Benoit.

Click here to read more about the death of Sherri Martel.

Martel, who had a reputation as one of the top managers in pro wrestling, was found dead at her mother’s home in near Birmingham, Ala., on June 15. She was 49.

Investigators, who have not yet determined Martel's cause of death, say foul play is not suspected but that Martel did not die of natural causes.
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He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them.
Even more evidence against the butler Kevin Sullivan!

Seriously though, even the split second thought that Benoit wasn't a baby eater made me feel a little bit better.
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