01-24-2015, 09:02 PM | #121 | |
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Him battling the odds is part of the appeal and to others it's almost a reminder of the Austin v McMahon feuds except with a more family feel. I hope WWE do the right thing and allow Reigns to win. Rollins walks out the RR with the title setting up a Rollins v Reigns match for WM. If you want a David and Goliath clash how about Bryan v Rusev? Rusev is that huge he's about 5'11 billed height so that would be minus an inch or two. |
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01-24-2015, 09:04 PM | #122 | |
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I only mentioned Roman because he is terrible and they are making a Huge mistake pushing him when he's this awful |
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01-24-2015, 09:07 PM | #123 |
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You're right. Austin was never the same after that feud ended. As soon as he'd vanquished the Corporation he just slid back down the card because that was the only story they could possibly tell with him.
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01-24-2015, 09:09 PM | #124 | |
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Dolph Ziggler is someone I feel is more deserving of a main-event push and has been biding his time now in the WWE for a number of years. He gets a huge pop as shown by the reaction at Survivor Series and afterwards. WWE should be pushing all these stars together at the same time rather than just the one. Even Ryback had potential and still does to an extent. And I go back to the point I made earlier either in this thread or another in that winning the RR is exactly the shining glory it once was given that the title match hasn't always closed out the show and often gets screwed around with i.e. into a triple threat etc. If it was a case of an old-fashion one on one, challenger v champion, singles match, closing out the show, then great. This year that won't be the case as I envisage Sting v Triple H to be the match to close the show given what would be on the line and as it may well symbolically be the end of the Authority. Even if Bryan doesn't win the Rumble, would you be surprised if he was once again some how inserted into the title match? Furthermore my major concern about Bryan is his ability to take hard knocks and given the length and severity of his recent injury, I an sceptical about how long Bryan may actually last in the business. This has been an issue with Rey too although he lasted much longer and it's an issue that essentially put the brakes on Sin Cara ever making it big. |
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01-24-2015, 09:10 PM | #125 | |
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Bryan isn't even a tenth of what Austin was and never will be. |
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01-24-2015, 09:14 PM | #126 |
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Ah. Impressed it took 125 points for the name-calling to start, to be perfectly honest (and my first neg rep - featuring more name-calling - in probably three years to boot!)
Clearly, my post was a joke meant to illustrate that just because one feud encompasses a wrestler's career does not mean that his time at the top ends when the feud does. I never compared Bryan's popularity to Austin's. You're right. There will never be another Austin. I hate Austin's guts, but he's possibly the biggest star in the history of the industry. |
01-24-2015, 09:19 PM | #127 |
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Wait, you mean STD has not neg repped you in three years? He neg reps everyone it seems.
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01-24-2015, 09:19 PM | #128 |
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I know, right? I feel like I'm missing out on a vital part of the TPWW experience.
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01-24-2015, 09:20 PM | #129 |
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01-24-2015, 09:25 PM | #130 |
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He does give a lot of positive rep to me too. Just negative ones randomly for the most random stuff.
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01-24-2015, 09:25 PM | #131 |
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On a other note, good work Franchise on making a hit thread about wrestling. It is pretty rare something takes off this fast/is this good anymore.
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01-24-2015, 09:26 PM | #132 | |
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It's almost as if you were trying to use my Bryan analogy with Austin. Austin had versatility in the sense that so many of his matches and feuds were memorable. He had the fit to be placed in so many storylines and still be relevant in the main-event picture. |
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01-24-2015, 09:26 PM | #133 | |
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These things fizzle out pretty quickly here. I miss the old days ('03-06ish) when we could fill pages with discussion on a single topic. |
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01-24-2015, 09:29 PM | #134 |
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Franchise, who do you think will be the biggest draw to headline this WrestleMania? Not talking about what will happen/what is best after the fact. I mean, who do you think people will want to see/pay to see in the main event.
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01-24-2015, 09:31 PM | #135 | |
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I just don't get why everyone seems to be getting their knickers in a twist over the fact I just don't consider Daniel Bryan to be any good? Maybe I am like The Authority in thinking wrestlers should be of a certain style or mould. And it's not like we haven't had anyone come before who had technique and physical prowess e.g. Hart, Angle, Benoit weren't exactly pussies were they? |
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01-24-2015, 09:32 PM | #136 | |
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01-24-2015, 09:45 PM | #137 | |
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If he was in a fit state to return to the ring, then I would say Undertaker v Brock Lesnar where Taker can avenge his defeat and then retire on a high note having beaten all his WM opponents. However unless my bold prediction in another thread were to materialise, I suspect we've seen the last of the Undertaker in a WWE ring, fighting anyways. The biggest draw imo will be Sting v Triple H and not in a biased view. Despite the speculation that he wouldn't win over fans because of his age etc, the crowds at Raw and Survivor Series went wild. Everyone seems to think the PG era has meant the fans are simply pre-pubescent children. Incorrect. Clearly there is a sizeable proportion who are hardcore wrestling fans and who know of Sting's legacy and reputation and realise that him being in the WWE despite his age, is a big deal. Furthermore we seem to make the mistake in thinking that those who watch WWE don't follow wrestling in general and I'm sure there plenty of fans out there who also watch TNA and ROH and hence even if they are PG fans etc, they will know Sting from there. Sting v Triple H will no doubt close the show and imo HAS to close the show given that there will most likely be a huge stipulation on the line. Not to mention the fact that this is the WWE wrestling and Wrestlemania debut of one of most iconic and legendary superstars of all time. The man who for years was the star attraction over in WCW and a shining light in the Monday Night Wars. You guys seem to be sarcastic about things most of the time but I don't understand how you can't see the magnitude of that and why WWE wouldn't want to place that as the final match i.e. the build up to it, decades in the making etc. Somehow given the wrangling it took to eventually sign him, I don't think Sting would have put pen to paper only to fight mid-card in what could essentially be his one and only match in the WWE and at Wrestlemania. The fact he is there and has been thrust into a prime position in terms of storylines despite his age and speculated "unknown quantity with the fans" status, shows how revered he is not only by WWE but wrestling fans in general. So let's be honest whatever happens with the Rumble and the title situation, it will still be second to last match on the card if not further down the pecking order. |
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01-24-2015, 09:47 PM | #138 |
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Versatility in the sense that so many of Austin's matches were memorable and he had rivalries with pretty much every big star of the day. In comparison other than WM 30 and Summerslam, I don't feel Bryan has had those iconic moments, although I'm open to being corrected....
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01-24-2015, 09:53 PM | #139 |
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As much as it goes against what I said before about the title matches at WM, for this year I would actually like to see perhaps a 4 way titlematch, heck why not a cage elimination match?
There are so many worthy stars on the roster whom I feel deserve a title shot alongside Bryan as it appears everyone here are Bryan fanatics: Rollins, Ziggler, Ambrose, Wyatt. That Wyatt has yet to hold a belt I feel is criminal. He is someone I feel has the fit, skills, charisma etc to be a big star. Given the fact the Elimination Chamber PPV has been axed there's no reason why they couldn't utilise it as a gimmick although I think the main issue was to do with arenas and stadiums being able to handle the structure etc. |
01-24-2015, 09:59 PM | #140 |
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I really wanna defend him by saying he's only had so many big matches and his only big feud has been with the Authority (As far as being an A player goes)
That said I remember his no DQ match with Orton on RAW fondly His match with CM Punk at over the limit does him choking people with a tie and spitting in Cenas face before kicking him in the head count When he took out the shield by himself. Turning on the Wyatts You did say moments |
01-24-2015, 10:03 PM | #141 | |
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01-24-2015, 10:05 PM | #142 |
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I do think that Bryan has had more 'moments' than Franchise is giving credit, but I also worry that Bryan could get stale pretty quickly.
Even last year, I got a sense that Bryan wasn't quite getting the same level of pops post Wrestlemania, in comparison to mid 2013-Royal Rumble 2014. |
01-24-2015, 10:08 PM | #143 | |
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But worst thing that could happen at the RR imo is Lesnar going home with the title. I has much disdain for him as I do Bryan perhaps more so. He's the most undeserving and overrated "wrestler" that ever set foot in the ring and hope that when he leaves this time, he never returns. |
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01-24-2015, 10:09 PM | #144 | |
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01-24-2015, 10:11 PM | #145 | |
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That may be the case, but you can't deny the fact that a clean victory over Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania would do absolute WONDERS for the victor (whether that's Bryan, Reigns, etc.). A clean victory over Lesnar would be more meaningful than a clean victory over Cena or anyone else. That's why I hope that Lesnar does in fact, main-event at Wrestlemania. |
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01-24-2015, 10:15 PM | #146 |
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Not an awful lot but at least he doesn't treat WWE like a bit on the side or a hotel where he can come and go as he pleases.
But my blame should be directed at WWE rather than Lesnar as they're the ones who allowed the contract to happen. Reigns has the look/mould and is young so has time on his side. Let's be honest you can't legitimately say Lesnar is a great wrestler/superstar? |
01-24-2015, 10:15 PM | #147 |
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Cena wins the Triple Threat Match.
Brock becomes Angry Brock, Enters Rumble...Wins Rumble... |
01-24-2015, 10:18 PM | #148 | |
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Lesnar has absolutely no qualities as an in-ring performer or on the mic. To get a few words out of his mouth seems a strain on his cognitive functions. I don't mean to be nasty to the guy, he might a decent guy in real life. But if it wasn't the fact he looked like a thug and WWE had a role for him or even in some fighting career, he'd be doing what exactly? |
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01-24-2015, 10:19 PM | #149 | |
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But we all seem to be assuming the rumble match is closing the show which I don't think it will. If the Undertaker were to return to cost Lesnar the title as per my wild prediction, then surely you want that to be the closing moment of the night? |
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01-24-2015, 10:29 PM | #150 | |
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those moments don't stand out to you because as you said you don't really like DB I do wanna address the whole he's not on Austins level and never will be comment. It was a different landscape and all these different things factor in Audience,Technology and so forth its unfair to look at Bryan and judge him by the period where wrestling was so hot it burned blue.(even if we were to go by the attitude era scale the response Bryan has gotten is still monstrous) interestingly enough a lot of those legends you mentioned seem to be fans of DB as well. |
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01-24-2015, 10:34 PM | #151 | |
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Well I accept that I may well be in a minority of Daniel Bryan haters. Actually I don't hate him but I just don't see his mass appeal. If truth be told post 2008 my deep passion for wrestling waned and I tune in for nostalgic value and the only superstar of this current active crop I truly rate is John Cena. The divas division I don't have issue with as their neither outstanding nor terrible although I wouldn't say no to Paige. If anyone (imo) was the prime example of the zero to hero persona/storyline then it was Mick Foley but he dished out as much pain as he received. |
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01-24-2015, 10:39 PM | #152 | |
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I was gonna say the same to you Bryan has time on his side Reigns does too But that is a sore spot for me WWE wise what you can do means jackshit as long as you have the look it makes that brass ring statement an even bigger pile of bullshit than it already was. I Wanna say it makes being in the company pointless if you know you're not what they are looking for but then I thought maybe its not about being at the top for everyone for some it might just be getting paid to travel and do what you love. |
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01-24-2015, 10:45 PM | #153 | |
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The divas division has ALICIA FOX! |
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01-24-2015, 10:45 PM | #154 | |
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Bray Wyatt's character suffers from the fact it's strictly a PG era. I don't see the harm in making it TV-14/PG-14. I mean even back in the Attitude era a significant proportion of viewers and fans were young children and families. It's sports entertainment and it's not like it's any more or less violent. but I just wonder if it were the Attitude era, would Wyatt's character have been darker, creepier etc? Rusev is also unbeaten and I don't if it's just me but this fact seems to have gone completely unnoticed and surely at some point this year should he continue to be unbeaten, he has to figure in the title picture or at least a MITB winner? |
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01-24-2015, 10:46 PM | #155 |
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I want to re-emphasise my prediction concerning the Undertaker as I think it is a strong possibility.
Let's be honest who wouldn't want to see that? Undertaker costing Lesnar the title? |
01-24-2015, 11:14 PM | #156 |
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It would be great to see Taker cost Lesnar the belt I wanna make something clear I don't necessarily want DB v Lesnar for the belt I just want the match.
So a Taker Lesnar rematch it kinda seems pointless though the streak is over(same reason I don't think Taker V Wyatt at mania won't mean anything.) The only thing I like about Rusev is that badass kick he has. |
01-24-2015, 11:24 PM | #157 | |
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I can't imagine the Undertaker character wanting to end on a defeat or at least not getting some measure of revenge. We haven't seen him on TV since WM XXX and thus hasn't had a chance to address the loss to Lesnar. It makes more sense for him to go after Lesnar much how he pursued Triple H in wanting to be able to beat him and walk out on his own power/legs. I simply can't see Taker ignoring the defeat and focussing on Wyatt or someone else. Certainly not Sting. Dare I say it, fighting Wyatt would a huge step down for Taker regardless of whether or not it would do wonders for Wyatt. Nothing good can come out of having him wrestle someone with such a huge age gap especially given his apparent lack of physical ability from last years WM. It would be abysmal to watch. |
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In response to Franchise I just want to say that you, sir, are the very definition of bias. You keep spouting out that "there are more guys on the roster than Bryan", but what that actually boils down to is "I don't like Bryan and I want to see my favorite superstars pushed more".
Every reason you've given for Bryan being unworthy is purely based on your own hatred of him, and on your own bias toward other wrestlers. Ziggler, much as I love him, is no better suited to be "face of the company" than Bryan. If Bryan isn't face of the company material then Dolph certainly isn't. Same thing goes for Wyatt, Cesaro, etc. You've even admitted it yourself that you watch wrestling out of nostalgia. It's time to face facts, Jack. The WWE isn't a static thing. New stars need to be born, and those new stars will never live up to your standards because you're wearing rose tinted nostalgia glasses that will always make your favorites from the past seem better (even though they aren't). I mean for Christ's sake you keep saying Sting vs Triple H should and WILL be the main event at 'Mania, but it won't. I honestly don't care how much you THINK it will, it won't, period. It will be a major selling point and one of the main events of 'Mania, but it will not be THE main event of 'Mania. Sting vs Triple H isn't that big a deal with WWE's current fanbase. Most kids don't even know who the hell Sting is. This match will be second banana to the title match and you can bank on that. As for Bryan being done when the Authority storyline is over that's horse shit. First and foremost I'd like to point out that Authority storylines are a dime a dozen in pro-wrestling. Do you honestly believe that when the Authority is gone they'll stay gone? If so you seriously need to go back and watch some Network stuff because there's been an evil authority figure in wrestling almost consistently since the attitude era. GMs, COOs, CEOs, McMahons, whatever they've all been there nonstop and will continue to be. Even if Triple H and Steph are done after 'Mania there will be someone else in no time to fill the void. So even if Bryan were only capable of that one dynamic he'll always have that one dynamic to play off of. However, to say he can't do other things proves that you've either not been paying attention to him or are just too bias to admit you're wrong. Bryan has more than proven his range since his MitB win. I won't argue that he's a "Legend" because he's not (well, not yet), but the guy is every bit on the level of a Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle, or Bret Hart. Given a few more years he could even reach "light" legend status like those guys have. He'll never be a Hogan or Rock, but he can be and is an Angle or Hart easily. To say he'll flounder out in a year or two like you have is purely opinion, and purely bias. |
01-25-2015, 04:50 AM | #159 |
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01-25-2015, 04:55 AM | #160 |
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They're not gonna put a one-shot deal vs. part-timer match above the WWE Title match at Mania. You might point to Cena-Rock closing out the show with a non-title match but that was a different scenario; Cena was there full time, Rock was coming back for Once In A Lifetime: The Sequel.
No way are they gonna put a match that puts over a guy who won't be coming back - a WCW guy to boot. If he goes over in the way you suggest - to end The Authority - then HHH is done (at least for the time being). Who benefits in the long run? Who gets the rub leading out of Mania and into the next set of PPVs? |