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Old 02-20-2012, 11:19 PM   #41
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Once again, if you actually listened to the genres, as opposed to hearing bits and pieces here and there, you would see that the difference is very clear. Can you honestly say that these sound like the same genre?

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Old 02-21-2012, 01:49 AM   #42
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This thread reminds me of why I don't listen to black metal anymore.
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Old 02-21-2012, 02:05 PM   #43
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Once again, if you actually listened to the genres, as opposed to hearing bits and pieces here and there, you would see that the difference is very clear. Can you honestly say that these sound like the same genre?

(Death Metal)


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You should re-read my post you marooon. I wasn't talking to you, in fact I even quoted Kane Knight, whom I was talking to.

But in response anyway, I only heard snippets and honestly, I don't care. They sound the same with the exception of Amon Amarth, but for all I know you've gone and picked out two songs from certain bands that are completely different and classed them as different genres.

It's like if I played a song by Shadow Gallery and Opeth. Neither sound anything like each other, but both could easily be classed as Progressive Metal. And then I could go into the whole overcomplicated bullshit like 'Shadow Gallery are traditional Prog Metal whilst Opeth are more of a Death-Prog-Core band' or some bollocks like that.
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Old 02-21-2012, 07:45 PM   #44
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I still think there should be a tour with Nile, Amon Amarth, and some band whose gimmick is based on Greek Mythology.

That way, we'd get a metal show and a history lesson at the same time.
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Old 02-21-2012, 08:54 PM   #45
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I still think there should be a tour with Nile, Amon Amarth, and some band whose gimmick is based on Greek Mythology.

That way, we'd get a metal show and a history lesson at the same time.
Kinda like Nordcore.
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You should re-read my post you marooon. I wasn't talking to you, in fact I even quoted Kane Knight, whom I was talking to.

But in response anyway, I only heard snippets and honestly, I don't care. They sound the same with the exception of Amon Amarth, but for all I know you've gone and picked out two songs from certain bands that are completely different and classed them as different genres.

It's like if I played a song by Shadow Gallery and Opeth. Neither sound anything like each other, but both could easily be classed as Progressive Metal. And then I could go into the whole overcomplicated bullshit like 'Shadow Gallery are traditional Prog Metal whilst Opeth are more of a Death-Prog-Core band' or some bollocks like that.
Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to even attempt to listen, doesn't mean there is no difference. Or, alternatively, just because you haven't listened to enough of each genre, doesn't mean there's no difference.

Its akin to an old person coming into this conversation and saying that all these styles, in addition to punk rock, glam rock and anything with an electric guitar, has the same sound and is all the same genre and style called "Rock" music.

Black Metal, especially Norweigean, has its own atmosphere. If you just listen to it in passing, hell, if you listen to any genre of music in passing, it can sound like a bunch of noise. But if you put the effort to actually listen and absorb the music, you will see the difference right away. Black metal is about painting an atmosphere, an atmosphere of harshness, and desolate misanthrophy. Black Metal is raw, attempting to recreate man's primordial reaction towards a cold world. Its not only the music, the instruments, that create this atmosphere and aim to pull those emotions out of you, but also the vocals and the lyrics.

Death metal on the other hand, is about pure ruthless agression.

But...if you don't want to even attempt to discern the difference and only listen to the genres in passing, you of course won't hear the difference.
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Old 02-22-2012, 12:09 AM   #47
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Or, alternatively, just because you haven't listened to enough of each genre, doesn't mean there's no difference.
And just because you assert a difference doesn't mean there is one.
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Old 02-22-2012, 06:03 AM   #48
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:05 AM   #49
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Just because you stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to even attempt to listen, doesn't mean there is no difference. Or, alternatively, just because you haven't listened to enough of each genre, doesn't mean there's no difference.

Its akin to an old person coming into this conversation and saying that all these styles, in addition to punk rock, glam rock and anything with an electric guitar, has the same sound and is all the same genre and style called "Rock" music.

Black Metal, especially Norweigean, has its own atmosphere. If you just listen to it in passing, hell, if you listen to any genre of music in passing, it can sound like a bunch of noise. But if you put the effort to actually listen and absorb the music, you will see the difference right away. Black metal is about painting an atmosphere, an atmosphere of harshness, and desolate misanthrophy. Black Metal is raw, attempting to recreate man's primordial reaction towards a cold world. Its not only the music, the instruments, that create this atmosphere and aim to pull those emotions out of you, but also the vocals and the lyrics.

Death metal on the other hand, is about pure ruthless agression.

But...if you don't want to even attempt to discern the difference and only listen to the genres in passing, you of course won't hear the difference.
Nah, they're the same. It'll take more than a bit of ambience or lyrical themes to convince me there's a need for more than one genre name.
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Old 02-22-2012, 11:28 AM   #50
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I was looking at that chart and I didn't see dark metal. Iis goth metal and dark metal the same thing?
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Old 02-22-2012, 03:09 PM   #52
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The only difference between Death and Black Metal is that I can read the band logos of Death bands.
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Old 02-22-2012, 09:43 PM   #54
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Nah, they're the same. It'll take more than a bit of ambience or lyrical themes to convince me there's a need for more than one genre name.
As you wish.

I see a clear difference, and I am not alone, as there are numerous metal enthusiasts who would agree that they are two different genres. Then there's also those who would throw all of the metal genres into "rock" and dont see any differences. I also know a person who puts everything aside from classical music into "pop." (He listens exclusively to classical music, referring to all modern forms of music as the same).
I am not trying to convince you of anything, but I think its pretty ignorant to make the statement that the two genres are the same.

I can't differentiate between say, hip hop and rap music, but since I dont get deep into those genres, I am not going to sit there and say, "Well I dont hear any difference, so hip hop and rap are teh saemz!!!".
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There are also metal fans who won't be happy until each band is broken down into its own completely distinct genre.
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There are also metal fans who won't be happy until each band is broken down into its own completely distinct genre.
True. I've argued the opposite as well, arguing that Amon Amarth is death metal and not "viking" metal.
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The more I look at that chart, the less accurate it is.
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In college, one of my theory professors kept calling Cobain Icelandic Death Metal.

Brilliant guy, but didn't really listen to anything published past 1963.

Anyway, his estimation of Nirvana is only slightly worse than that chart.
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The more I look at that chart, the less accurate it is.
The labeling of Doom as "Stoner Metal" (which is a genre that is often used interchangeably with "Sludge Metal") is a big one. The absence of "Post-Punk," which had a much GREATER influence on Grunge is another big one. Also, the absence of "Sludge Metal" and it's influence on New Wave of American Heavy Metal is as well (Seriously, many of the bands are influenced by Clutch and/or Crowbar).
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I have never really liked Black metal; I am more of thrash/grindcore/sludge-stoner/metalcore (non sucky kind)-kinda guy.
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just re-read this

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Old 09-19-2012, 10:58 AM   #69
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Check out Alestorm and Swashbuckler. Due to the fact that they have pirate themes/gimmicks (which are great and the music is fine) they label themselves as "pirate metal." I think this is the basic problem with metal, everything has to be specifically labeled so it is considered easier for the consumer to access it. IT's stupid as fuck, but it is what it is.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:53 PM   #70
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Bumping to self promote.

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Good stuff there...
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Old 09-01-2013, 11:52 PM   #71
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Bumping to self promote.
Our band, Solar Deity, released its third EP yesterday. Check it out.
http://mehtakyakehta.com/2013/09/01/devil-worship/

And if you'd rather stream, click: http://solar-deity.bandcamp.com/
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