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Old 05-07-2010, 03:08 AM   #81
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During the JLA/Avengers crossover, Cap and Bats traded light blows to gauge each other's skill. They paused with Batman saying, and I'll never forget this line:

"You could probably beat me, but it'll take you a long time."
They flat out have a main event match in Marvel vs DC from the 90s
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Old 05-07-2010, 03:12 AM   #82
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Even without metal physically present, Magneto's power to manipulate EM fields and other miscellaneous bullshit (the super-shield-trick at least has been shown as a consistent power) would let him do a pretty damn good job of wearing Supes down, assuming that Magneto is for some bizarre reason surrounded by absolutely no metal for miles.

And Magneto's ability to manipulate metal is hilariously not limited by his physical capacity, but by the extent of his powers. He can view the world as an electromagnetic spectrum instead of seeing it with his standard senses, giving him knowledge of all things electromagnetic within his range--even if he can't see or hear them. He once used a machine to amplify his powers and simultaneously shut down every machine on Earth. I don't know what his standard reach is, though.
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I honestly haven't read any X-Men comics published after the late 90s. I feel like I'm letting the 10 year old version of me down, when I used to read them more than any other title aside from maybe Spidey and Bats
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Even without metal physically present, Magneto's power to manipulate EM fields and other miscellaneous bullshit (the super-shield-trick at least has been shown as a consistent power) would let him do a pretty damn good job of wearing Supes down, assuming that Magneto is for some bizarre reason surrounded by absolutely no metal for miles.

And Magneto's ability to manipulate metal is hilariously not limited by his physical capacity, but by the extent of his powers. He can view the world as an electromagnetic spectrum instead of seeing it with his standard senses, giving him knowledge of all things electromagnetic within his range--even if he can't see or hear them. He once used a machine to amplify his powers and simultaneously shut down every machine on Earth. I don't know what his standard reach is, though.
He can also 'weight himself' to the planet's poles, giving him enough power to physically combat big guys. It's a process similar to Hawkman's Claw thingy that knocked Superman the fuck out.
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Was just reading about instances in which he has moved asteroids. So you can cross that off the list.
Also, he has created wormholes in order to teleport himself around? lol

Not to mention he has latent telepathic powers and can engage in astral projection. The writers have really gone to town with the whole "can control metal" thing
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The more I think about it, the more I think Magneto might actually be able to take Superman.
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He can also 'weight himself' to the planet's poles, giving him enough power to physically combat big guys. It's a process similar to Hawkman's Claw thingy that knocked Superman the fuck out.
Come to think of it, why the hell isn't that Hawkman's normal weapon instead of that mace?

"Sure, I have something that can hit you with the gravitational force of the entire planet, and can lay out fucking Superman in one punch, but instead I'm going to hit you with this far less powerful weapon instead. Which seems perfectly reasonable, given that hitting stuff at arm's length and flying are pretty much all I can do."
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I respectfully withdraw my comments about Magneto being anything short of a god. I was underestimating him based on the conventional interpreation of his powers, but it seems the writers have explored some avenues here and there that I wasn't aware about, and are interesting to say the least. Seems a bit ridiculous, but he's one of the greatest comic characters going and I would imagine over time a god amongst characters is going to be treated as a god within the stories.
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Magneto is one of those villains that takes an entire team of heavy hitters to take down. Hell, in the bigger crossovers, it takes several teams.

In Ultimatum, it took the whole ultimate universe.
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I still pick Superman, just based on the fact that he's fucking Superman and his abilities can be stretched just as easily. For every bold liberty Magneto can take, so too can Superman.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Magneto pulls out all of these ridiculous stops and manages to put the screws to Superman for a while, he will still keep getting up and coming for him, and all he really has to do is get in there for one hit. As many abilites and defenses as Magneto may have, if Superman can deliver one punch to his face that's all she wrote.
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The only way I see Magneto getting a victory over him is if he manages to find a kryptonian meteor floating by, and bring it in for a landing on Superman's face.
That would do the trick, for a while.

That's why I'd book it as a best out of 3 falls match.
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Yeah, the only folks who are really on Magneto's level would be cosmic-powered folks, and even then, he's been able to shrug off attacks from some of the absolute most powerful of them.

I could see Superman being able to take him in an all-out fight, but only if Supes is going full-bore at him right off the bat. Which he wouldn't, because he pretty much always does the stereotypical dumb-hero tactic of woefully underestimating the villain the first time they fight and therefore getting his ass whooped. Someone like General Zod would have a better chance since he's less likely to screw around and just take care of business right away.

The one person who, I think would be a sure bet against Magneto, though? The Flash. Sure, Mags has utter god-like abilities, but he still thinks at the speed of a normal human. Flash could zip around from the other side of the planet, punch Magneto in the face a few thousand times, then head home and read a book before Magneto even knew he was there.
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Couldn't Superman do the same thing though? Is this going to break down into the age old conversation about Superman being able to outrun The Flash?
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I still pick Superman, just based on the fact that he's fucking Superman and his abilities can be stretched just as easily. For every bold liberty Magneto can take, so too can Superman.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but even if Magneto pulls out all of these ridiculous stops and manages to put the screws to Superman for a while, he will still keep getting up and coming for him, and all he really has to do is get in there for one hit. As many abilites and defenses as Magneto may have, if Superman can deliver one punch to his face that's all she wrote.
Very true. Magneto can do a pretty damn good job of keeping Superman from getting that first hit in, though--I'm still looking for scans, but I know Magneto's shield has taken hits from some pretty outrageous stuff. Basically, he creates an EM field that prevents atoms from crossing it. It's stopped Cyclops' optic blasts, it's stopped Thor's hammer, it's stopped nukes, and it's stopped attacks from the Phoenix. Unless Superman can actually manipulate atoms at base (and as far as I know, he's never done so before), he'll have to come up with some serious bullshit to get around Magneto's defenses.

Magneto has cut off oxygen supplies before, however, and has deflected light from objects at range. He could theoretically drain the air out of Supes' body while cutting off his solar supply lines, though there's no telling how long Superman can continue to kick with zero air and only his reserve sunlight. If Superman's invincibility is still some sort of "invulnerability field" like I remember it being, then Magneto could, given enough time to bullshit around with (and unless Superman can rearrange atoms or attack Mags psychically that shield will hold up for a long fucking time), strip Superman of his invincibility at its base construction and then... I don't know, hit him with a car or something.

Basically, either one of them would have to do alot of bullshitting to beat the other. It would come down to some serious plot magic for them to not stalemate.
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And the Flash is faster than Superman by so much that it would take a short essay to describe. Long story short if Superman is keeping up, then the Flash is fucking with him.
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I want to emphasize that the Flash should not lose fights. Ever. To anybody.
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Since Spiderman is one of the "big 3" and the chief character of his brand, he's pretty fuckin resourceful. He always has the advantage of being able to regroup and stand a chance in fights he has no real business standing a chance in. That just comes with the territory of his character being so high ranking and iconic.
So in that respect he's very similar to Batman. He might not have as much money and resources, but he's certainly got those heroic sensibiliies like willpower and intelligence.

Spidey does have the edge in the power department, for sure. Batman has the gadget shit down pretty good though.

Here's how I have it. Spiderman kicks Batman's ass when they first meet. This is going off the assumption that it's a suprise meeting and both are on their normal game.
Batman is pissed and goes back to the Batcave and prepares for round 2.
Spiderman, being no chump, is also prepared. Still, Batman's gameplan wins out and after a good fight Batman wins round 2.

Round 3 results in Spiderman stepping his game up, and them being evenly matched. They beat the shit out of eachother and banter for at least an hour, until they knock eachother out at the exact same time. Fin.
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"Here's a polymer that'll negate your webbing. Also my ninja training will out-do your Spider-Sense. I have tools that can scale walls faster than you. Just walk to Arkham and it'll be better for you and your family."
lol sorry for deleting the post. But these were basically my same arguments

some people just wont listen even when their argument is in alidated every step of the way.

I said and I quote "in the time it takes spiderman to turn his head in Batmans direction I'm willing to bet there are already at least 86 different ways Batman has thought of to take him down."
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Very true. Magneto can do a pretty damn good job of keeping Superman from getting that first hit in, though--I'm still looking for scans, but I know Magneto's shield has taken hits from some pretty outrageous stuff. Basically, he creates an EM field that prevents atoms from crossing it. It's stopped Cyclops' optic blasts, it's stopped Thor's hammer, it's stopped nukes, and it's stopped attacks from the Phoenix. Unless Superman can actually manipulate atoms at base (and as far as I know, he's never done so before), he'll have to come up with some serious bullshit to get around Magneto's defenses.

Magneto has cut off oxygen supplies before, however, and has deflected light from objects at range. He could theoretically drain the air out of Supes' body while cutting off his solar supply lines, though there's no telling how long Superman can continue to kick with zero air and only his reserve sunlight. If Superman's invincibility is still some sort of "invulnerability field" like I remember it being, then Magneto could, given enough time to bullshit around with (and unless Superman can rearrange atoms or attack Mags psychically that shield will hold up for a long fucking time), strip Superman of his invincibility at its base construction and then... I don't know, hit him with a car or something.

Basically, either one of them would have to do alot of bullshitting to beat the other. It would come down to some serious plot magic for them to not stalemate.
Well in that case I'll take Dr. Manhattan, just to be safe.
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Dr. Manhattan is banned from discussions like these, for the same reason DBZ characters are often banned.
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The only thing I feel certain about with Batman vs Spidey is that Spiderman would definitely win the first fight, and Batman would definitely win the second.
That's really all I know. Anything beyond that is probably a matter of preference.
Realistically they could just keep trading victories until they both died of old age.
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The only thing I feel certain about with Batman vs Spidey is that Spiderman would definitely win the first fight, and Batman would definitely win the second.
That's really all I know. Anything beyond that is probably a matter of preference.
Realistically they could just keep trading victories until they both died of old age.
Or until Bruce gets Spidey's autograph for Tim and Damian and finishes his ass afterward.

Also Bruce will know Peter's identity and workplace by the second fight.
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I don't blame DC for putting the Flash vs Superman debate to rest and giving The Flash a decisive victory in print.
You have to think about their interests. Flash's whole bread and butter is the fact that he's fast. They don't want to cramp his gimmick.
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Or until Bruce gets Spidey's autograph for Tim and Damian and finishes his ass afterward.

Also Bruce will know Peter's identity and workplace by the second fight.
Couldn't one just as easily argue that Peter would know Bruce's identity and workplace too?
In the Marvel universe, Spiderman does what they need him to do to remain the top dog.
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Dr. Manhattan is banned from discussions like these, for the same reason DBZ characters are often banned.
Man, you had to say the D word.

(Superman could take Goku, btw)

And I agree that Spider-Man would take Batman the first fight, but NEVER AGAIN. Batman simply has NOT had enough experience with opponents that fight like Spidey, and Spider-Man's not exactly lacking in resourcefulness himself. I'm not saying it would be Bane bad, but Spider-Man has the sort of power and mindset to be approaching the "Totally whoop Batman's ass" line.

Give Batman ten minutes in the Batcave and he's never losing to Peter Parker again, though.
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Damnit....Hit Girl if only for the fact that Nightwing and co. rubbing off on Damian and he might not be willing to be as brutal as she is to win That,and while his trainers the league of Assassins are REALLY good Damien Has not been trained by batman who is by and large the best.
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That's why I think it just depends on who's calling the shots and preference. If Marvel's writing it, Spiderman throws a Spidey tracker on the Batmobile and finds out where the Batcave is.
If DC is writing it, Batman has a gadget on the car to detect such a thing, and uses a decoy to lead him into a well thought out trap.
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Couldn't one just as easily argue that Peter would know Bruce's identity and workplace too?
In the Marvel universe, Spiderman does what they need him to do to remain the top dog.
In the Marvel Universe.

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Must... refuse... arguing...

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Even if Peter knows who Bruce is, Peter wouldn't do shit about it.

Bruce, on the other hand, has and will totally hold somebody by the balls with that sort of information.
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tough not to isnt it?


IDepends on which Goku though

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