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Old 05-30-2007, 09:50 AM   #201
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you will only get the Joker so realistic to a point. You cannot totally rework the character where he is losing the traits that make him so recognizable. Hopefully the performance will be menacing enough for you not to feel like it is campy.
Yes.

Again going back to Nicholson, he was burned in a vast of acid. That's what disfigured him and had him wear make up. It was well explained and well done. But then you look at how Mr Freeze was going around with ice skating goons and all the one liners, etc. That was ridiculous.
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Old 05-30-2007, 04:34 PM   #202
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Yeah, Joker's not really camp.

He can be, but not inherrently so.
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Old 05-30-2007, 06:57 PM   #203
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Most of Batman's villains are interesting in that they can portrayed campy or pretty lethal.
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Old 05-30-2007, 07:04 PM   #204
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Joker has always dressed a bit fruity. He has always been completely fucking crazy. Don't think camp comes into it with the Joker.

Arnies Freeze was a complete joke.
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Old 05-31-2007, 10:46 AM   #205
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Yes.

Again going back to Nicholson, he was burned in a vast of acid. That's what disfigured him and had him wear make up. It was well explained and well done. But then you look at how Mr Freeze was going around with ice skating goons and all the one liners, etc. That was ridiculous.
Actually that transformation was based off the comic "The Killing Joke" where the acid changed his skin colour and fried his brain which made him insane - then the plastic surgeon fucked up the surgery and gave him a permanent grin. Unless when you mean makeup, you mean the flesh coloured one... then disregard.

Keaton is the only really good Batman in my opinion, that's why i only really enjoyed Batman 1989 and Batman Returns. Bale is not bad - don't like how he intentionally makes his voice husky when he's dressed as Batman but yeah.

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Old 05-31-2007, 08:52 PM   #206
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You don't like that he actually tries not to sound like Billionaire Bruce Wayne when he's Batman?
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Old 06-01-2007, 11:36 AM   #207
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Keaton didn't change his voice and it came off cool.
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Old 06-02-2007, 07:30 AM   #208
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Uh, but Kevin Conroy did, and it came off even cooler. Eat my shorts, Rodrigues.
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Old 06-02-2007, 07:31 AM   #209
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And Keaton did change his voice, just less noticeably and less menacingly than Bale. And thus less awesomely. Keaton's Batman was a short, weak-chinned pussycat. He whispered all the damn time. If you are trying to use fear as a weapon, you don't whisper at people. You gruff the fuck out of them.
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:03 AM   #210
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Here is a random fantasy...if they did put Catwoman in the new Batman series it should be played by Natalie Portman.

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Old 06-02-2007, 09:13 AM   #211
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Yes he did.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:00 AM   #212
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I'm watching the final showdown in the clocktower with the Joker... his voice is exactly the same - just slightly slower delivery. "Excuse me. You ever dance with the devil by the pale moonlight?" and the rest of the conversation between the two.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:01 AM   #213
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On second thought. Fuck it. I'm just a Keaton mark.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:06 AM   #214
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You mean the tower scene where he's revealing he's Bruce Wayne? Good example.
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:27 AM   #215
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You mean the tower scene where he's revealing he's Bruce Wayne? Good example.
Lol, I admitted my bias - leave me alone you.
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Old 06-02-2007, 12:09 PM   #216
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There's bias, and there's stupidity. For example, I'm an Extreme fan, but I don't pretend they didn't spend the 80s doing Hair Metal.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:34 PM   #217
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He did change his voice. However he didn't change it as much. That's the difference. Bale really altered his, whereas Keatons is just more quiet and hides emotion. I like them both.
Theres always the arguments about who's better Keaton or Bale. I don't see why it matters. I'm glad we've had both.
Keaton was excellent. Complains about how he played Bruce Wayne are not founded because thats the screenwriters, not him. He played what he was told to play excellently, and thats a shy quirky billionaire.
As Batman, he acted great, he just didn't ask much. Once again, not his fault he didn't write the script.
His size and chin isn't his fault, he did a great job regardless. He wasn't THAT small, and he did have great manerisms and acting in that 200lb suit. He also had perfect eyes, mouth and voice.

Bale was excellent as well. He really embodied the Bruce Wayne side better. However the script went more into his character and gave him more time. He had more of a chance to play the "correct" Wayne/Batman. He also had material in his role that fans are more fond of.
I like Bale as playboy Wayne. The only complaint is that at times his acting is wooden and fake. And it's at times when it shouldn't be. Sometimes he slips into the American Psycho role, and talks that way. Which sucks. Especially when he talks to Rachel. He's a great actor and a great Wayne/Batman, but he lacks real emotion.

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Old 06-02-2007, 04:39 PM   #218
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I don't particularly think either is dominantly better, I just thought the argument was gay.

Myself, I'll take Bale, but it's not like he blows away the competition Well, he blows away Clooney, but that's because he was such a poor fit for the role.
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Old 06-14-2007, 06:42 PM   #219
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Hmmmm, the new suit looks a little too armored. But I still like it.
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she would be a terrible cat woman tho... shes seems to vulnerable... even in the movies where she kicked ass like star wars or vandeta she looked wrong doing it.
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Old 06-15-2007, 02:02 AM   #234
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different, but cool. I hope they show the changeover but if not that's fine. It does seem a bit bright but it's probably the lighting to show off the detail and it'll be darker. These are more observations than criticisms.

I'm a fan of the slimmed neck. The only part of the other costume I didn't like was the bulky neck and helmet like cowl. This seems much better and will allow for neck movement (which we've never seen in a Batman movie)

I give it a thumbs up. He looks like, well, a dark knight.
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p.s. I saw the new Joker pic (the distorted one through glass) and its great. I didn't like the first pic but this one shows what his hair and full look is like and I'm happy to say I was wrong and its a good look.
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Old 06-16-2007, 06:44 PM   #236
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you will only get the Joker so realistic to a point. You cannot totally rework the character where he is losing the traits that make him so recognizable. Hopefully the performance will be menacing enough for you not to feel like it is campy.
Not really, Joker would be 'cartoonish', but you could easily make him realistic.

First off, he's a solipsist. The reason he believes it's okay to do wrong is because none of this is 'real'. The only real thing is him (and Batman), the rest is just a game.

Secondly, he's a sociopath and criminally insane, possibly completely psychotic. In the comics, it's been hinted he's not insane at all, and other comics say he's fully out of his gord.

The best way to make the Joker more realistic is to tone done the bright colors, have him darker in color (deep purple and greens. Leave the white and red of course).

Bump the movie to 'R', and have him actually MURDER people on screen (some implied is fine). The one thing that I disliked about Nicholson's Joker was how campy it was. He did murder someone, but he was massively gimmicked. Make this Joker have the gimmicks, but actually kill people with guns.

Next, make him intelligent, but break out into fits of laughter randomly. Keep him off kilter, almost in lack of control of his own thoughts.

Also, I have only read the last pages, but is Murphy's Scarecrow returning? I think a Scarecrow/Joker team-up would be ideal, and would help benefit Joker. Eventually when they turn on each other, Scarecrow uses the fear gas and it doesn't effect Joker at all. I believe that had been done in the comics, and it would establish the fact Joker is a very threatening man.

Also, I want to see a corn maze of death <3.

Edit: Also, make the Joker the a creepy sonofabitch. Much like Scarecrow from Begins, make Joker someone that gives you the chills on screen, and that lasts after the movie. Not someone you see and laugh at.

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I like the new uniform. Perhaps (kinda would like to see) Batman meets up with the Joker in his original uni, but gets beat down and has to go back to the drawing board for something better suited to fight the Joker.

This movie better rule.
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I like the new uniform. Perhaps (kinda would like to see) Batman meets up with the Joker in his original uni, but gets beat down and has to go back to the drawing board for something better suited to fight the Joker.

This movie better rule.
... That stinks of Val Kilmer and George Clooney. Anything but please.
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