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Old 12-08-2015, 06:27 PM   #441
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Half a million TVs switch off before his final segment, people noticeably filing out (according to reports) before the end, and almost one year later, they are still forcing Roman Reigns into positions he shouldn't be in. Defies all logic and belief and makes me depressed tbh.
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Old 12-08-2015, 07:23 PM   #442
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That final segment was horrendous. I about fell asleep on it and the tater tots stuff wasn't funny. The first time it might have been worth a chuckle but after he continued to call Sheamus a tater tot it just got silly retarded. The fact that they even out Reigns in there to start out with is dumb. We're going to have the ring crew set up all this stuff for Reigns even though the Authority hate the guy. It would have been a bit better had Reigns filled the ring up with tables, ladders, and chairs before he got in the ring. Reigns even pointed out that the fact that Sheamus called him out and that he was the only one there wasn't right. If Reigns wins at TLC I think I'll have to stop watching til after Mania or he drops the title, just don't want to see Reigns in the main event picture at all.
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:05 PM   #443
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Lol, people talk to Meltzer. They've admitted to it. You troll cunt.
Do Triple H, Vince, or Steph feed Vince with info? Does Dave reach out to them to verify his stories? No. Because he's a bottom feeder "journalist".

If you wanted to know what an NFL team was planning in terms of their talent would you speak to the head coach, the GM, or a kid who collects the footballs after practice?

One funny thing Ive noticed from the thread on here that quotes things from the Observer, but there was a note about Lesnar v Owens NOT being a match currently on the lineup for Mania. If Dave or any of these guys had actual inside info they would know the top 4 matches for Mania. But they don't know shit so they can't say this is what is currently on the schedule.

Sorry to burst your bubble about him.
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:06 PM   #444
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Monday's WWE Raw television show (12/7) averaged 3.054 million viewers, according to Showbuzzdaily.com. Viewership was down from the 3.168 million average from last week (11/30).


Hour 1 = 3.270 million
Hour 2 = 3.042 million
Hour 3 = 2.850 million
How did football do? Was it up week over week?
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:07 PM   #445
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That final segment was horrendous. I about fell asleep on it and the tater tots stuff wasn't funny. The first time it might have been worth a chuckle but after he continued to call Sheamus a tater tot it just got silly retarded. The fact that they even out Reigns in there to start out with is dumb. We're going to have the ring crew set up all this stuff for Reigns even though the Authority hate the guy. It would have been a bit better had Reigns filled the ring up with tables, ladders, and chairs before he got in the ring. Reigns even pointed out that the fact that Sheamus called him out and that he was the only one there wasn't right. If Reigns wins at TLC I think I'll have to stop watching til after Mania or he drops the title, just don't want to see Reigns in the main event picture at all.
I didn't care for the tater tots line but the crowd was with him. Read a report from a live fan who said he was massively over. Looks like what they are doing is working in the arenas.
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:20 PM   #446
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How did football do? Was it up week over week?
Got back the 4 million or so from last week.

Biggest gainer was Family Guy in terms of rankings. Outranked the 9pm and 10pm hours of RAW.
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Old 12-08-2015, 08:37 PM   #447
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I didn't care for the tater tots line but the crowd was with him. Read a report from a live fan who said he was massively over. Looks like what they are doing is working in the arenas.
Did you verify if the live fan was actually at the event via ticket confirmation or confirmed with Vince or security? Or did you just read another "report".
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:00 PM   #448
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Reigns has been getting more over with the crowds in recent weeks because crowds themselves have started to bail en masse before his main event matches and segments. Last Smackdown and yesterday being big examples of both.

From someone at RAW last night before the main event:
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Old 12-08-2015, 09:37 PM   #449
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I didn't care for the tater tots line but the crowd was with him. Read a report from a live fan who said he was massively over. Looks like what they are doing is working in the arenas.
Doesnt matter, dudes not a main eventer and will turn fans away from the product if continued to be pushed as he is now.
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Old 12-09-2015, 07:35 AM   #450
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The much maligned CyNick appears to have begun half-assing the gimmick and isn't really trying to defend shit anymore. Fun's over. Time to pack it up, guys.
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Old 12-09-2015, 08:44 AM   #451
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Do Triple H, Vince, or Steph feed Vince with info? Does Dave reach out to them to verify his stories? No. Because he's a bottom feeder "journalist".

If you wanted to know what an NFL team was planning in terms of their talent would you speak to the head coach, the GM, or a kid who collects the footballs after practice?

One funny thing Ive noticed from the thread on here that quotes things from the Observer, but there was a note about Lesnar v Owens NOT being a match currently on the lineup for Mania. If Dave or any of these guys had actual inside info they would know the top 4 matches for Mania. But they don't know shit so they can't say this is what is currently on the schedule.

Sorry to burst your bubble about him.
Yeah, with all the posts you've made since your ill-fated return to the boards, you're in no position to call anyone else out as a "bottom feeder", dude.
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Old 12-09-2015, 09:54 AM   #452
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I didn't care for the tater tots line but the crowd was with him. Read a report from a live fan who said he was massively over. Looks like what they are doing is working in the arenas.
Is that same same fan that took a picture of people leaving the arena?
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Old 12-09-2015, 12:32 PM   #453
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I've heard more about Dave Meltzer from CyNick than I have from any other poster. To not like the guy he sure knows a lot about him. No one actually brings up Meltzer except him.
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all I seriously know about Meltzer is that he feuded with TNARick and /r/SquaredCircle loves to link his radio/opinion pieces


If he is of any importance I'd like an explanation. Otherwise, he's just another fan
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Old 12-09-2015, 01:57 PM   #455
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Meltzer

I take every report I read online with a grain of salt, but Meltzer's been reporting on Wrestling/MMA a lot longer than most of us have been watching, and he does have a rapport/following/standing/presence with people within the industry.

I'm not saying he's alright spot on and his "reports" can sometimes be pretty vague, but I'd take Meltzer's word over CyNicks any day.
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But CyNick got his info from a fan at the show, sure CyNick didn't cite anything but he doesn't have too.
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Old 12-09-2015, 05:01 PM   #457
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Doesnt matter, dudes not a main eventer and will turn fans away from the product if continued to be pushed as he is now.
We'll see

To me he's talented, if the babyface thing doesn't work, he can still work as a heel.

He's in a tough spot being thrusted into the top spot at a time when the roster has never been thinner.
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Yeah, with all the posts you've made since your ill-fated return to the boards, you're in no position to call anyone else out as a "bottom feeder", dude.
Have I presented myself as an insider, or someone with inside info?

I like the product, which makes me a villain here in bizzaro world
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Is that same same fan that took a picture of people leaving the arena?
I don't know. You would have to ask the guy.
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I've heard more about Dave Meltzer from CyNick than I have from any other poster. To not like the guy he sure knows a lot about him. No one actually brings up Meltzer except him.
Ive said before I reference him because his publication is referenced the most on this site.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Meltzer

I take every report I read online with a grain of salt, but Meltzer's been reporting on Wrestling/MMA a lot longer than most of us have been watching, and he does have a rapport/following/standing/presence with people within the industry.

I'm not saying he's alright spot on and his "reports" can sometimes be pretty vague, but I'd take Meltzer's word over CyNicks any day.
I'm not in a competition. I don't come on here saying I have scoopz.

I just provide an opinion.
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But CyNick got his info from a fan at the show, sure CyNick didn't cite anything but he doesn't have too.
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We'll see

To me he's talented, if the babyface thing doesn't work, he can still work as a heel.

He's in a tough spot being thrusted to top spot at a time when the roster has never been thinner.
Thats what I've been saying, he has potential but not as the joke cracking smiling babyface. He should be a badass that Handel's his business and says a few words.

Hes in the tough spot because he's not ready for the top. Like I've said he should have been ripping through the mid card and possibly have held both the IC and US titles by now. I feel the roster is fine, its just underutilized. You have a lot of talented guys that don't do anything. If the rosters thin it WWEs fault. Hell, they have Somoa Joe setting in NXT, if the rosters thin call him up.
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Ive said before I reference him because his publication is referenced the most on this site.
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Since 1983, he has been the publisher/editor of the Wrestling Observer Newsletter (WON). Meltzer has also written for the Oakland Tribune, the Los Angeles Times, Yahoo! Sports, and The National Sports Daily. He has extensively covered mixed martial arts since UFC 1 in 1993 and currently covers the sport for SB Nation. Meltzer has been called "the most accomplished reporter in sports journalism" by Frank Deford of Sports Illustrated. He is also a frequent lecturer on many aspects of the business of MMA, professional wrestling and boxing at the Graduate School of Business, Stanford University.

Source: Rossen, Jake (2013-05-15). "In World of Wrestling, Trying to Keep It Real". The New York Times.
That's exactly the kind of person I'd want to depose as a testifying expert witness or at least as a non-testifying consulting expert in order to explain the intricacies of an unusual subject like the backstage goings-on of pro wrestling to me.

Clearly the guy's a bottom feeding joke and a hack though who doesn't know anyone in the business, have any legitimate sources or know anything.
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Have I presented myself as an insider, or someone with inside info?
No. That's not the point.

The point is anytime anyone with even a modicum of credibility comes out with info that may be potentially damaging to the company or your opinions, you claim the person has no credibility or are bottom feeders, etc.

You claim that because they aren't Vince or HHH or didn't get their info directly from Vince or HHH, these reporters or sources aren't credible. You do this despite the fact that you, 1. usually have no evidence that the reporter's sources were or weren't Vince or HHH, and 2. you don't know who their sources are.

No one's saying that guys like Meltzer are always right or that we take their reporting as 100% or gospel. In fairness though, I'd say Meltzer is probably the most credible and in a VERY small class of "legit" and credible pro wrestling reporters, in terms of length of reporting, accuracy over the years, etc.

Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem like the kind of client that would at trial, yell and argue over top of the expert witness testifying against you about their lack credibility or knowledge. All the while your lawyer keeps telling you to shut up and that he'll handle it.
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That's exactly the kind of person I'd want to depose as a testifying expert witness or at least as a non-testifying consulting expert in order to explain the intricacies of an unusual subject like the backstage goings-on of pro wrestling to me.

Clearly the guy's a bottom feeding joke and a hack though who doesn't know anyone in the business, have any legitimate sources or know anything.
I stopped reading The Observer long time ago, but found this on a newz site, which credits The Observer:

"Regarding WWE SmackDown moving to the USA Network in January, there is said to be at least one significant change in the works. This could have something to do with commentary or the look of the show as it appears there are no plans to bring bigger names to SmackDown."

This is the man you say is a super JOURNALIST. There will be at least ONE change, but we have no idea what it is. Why dont you just ask your source? You would think this source would have all the scoopz. Anyone could just guess that there will be changes when a show moves networks. Maybe Frank Deford should reconsider his ridiculous opinion.
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No. That's not the point.

The point is anytime anyone with even a modicum of credibility comes out with info that may be potentially damaging to the company or your opinions, you claim the person has no credibility or are bottom feeders, etc.

You claim that because they aren't Vince or HHH or didn't get their info directly from Vince or HHH, these reporters or sources aren't credible. You do this despite the fact that you, 1. usually have no evidence that the reporter's sources were or weren't Vince or HHH, and 2. you don't know who their sources are.

No one's saying that guys like Meltzer are always right or that we take their reporting as 100% or gospel. In fairness though, I'd say Meltzer is probably the most credible and in a VERY small class of "legit" and credible pro wrestling reporters, in terms of length of reporting, accuracy over the years, etc.

Maybe I'm wrong, but you seem like the kind of client that would at trial, yell and argue over top of the expert witness testifying against you about their lack credibility or knowledge. All the while your lawyer keeps telling you to shut up and that he'll handle it.
I just dont accept info that is fifth hand, when the people who make the decisions could be reached out to, or at least have conducted interviews where they address a lot of the criticisms about the product. To me they are all the same. They write BS stories that they pass off as legit news. I have never said anything bad about him writing about the history of the business.

I'm actually really calm, and nothing like what you claim (I'm not sure who you feel is the "expert" in this scenario). If you read my posts, I rarely use foul language when addressing people. I enjoy reading other people's opinions, I just dont happen to agree that the product sucks right now. This whole thread is about ratings, and Ive just pointed out that TV is changing, and yes, RAW is down in ratings, but so are a lot of shows, most shows in fact. And at the end of the day, the show is still among the most watched things in its timeslot (usually top 2 or 3), and from an advertising perspective, things have never been better. Those things seem to get ignored by everyone who isnt me, because the people who are frequent posters on here, dont feel the product is catering to their whims. I look like the ugly girl at the dance because I'm the guy who actually enjoys what I'm watching.
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I stopped reading The Observer long time ago, but found this on a newz site, which credits The Observer:

"Regarding WWE SmackDown moving to the USA Network in January, there is said to be at least one significant change in the works. This could have something to do with commentary or the look of the show as it appears there are no plans to bring bigger names to SmackDown."

This is the man you say is a super JOURNALIST. There will be at least ONE change, but we have no idea what it is. Why dont you just ask your source? You would think this source would have all the scoopz. Anyone could just guess that there will be changes when a show moves networks. Maybe Frank Deford should reconsider his ridiculous opinion.
Is the idea that WWE is going to change something re: commentary or production/presentation for Smackdown but won't be bringing in bigger names when they move to USA not news? It's certainly news to me. I had no idea.

Now I'll agree it's not necessarily exciting news. Maybe his source is only in a position currently to know that there are plans to make changes to Smackdown and that those plans don't involve bringing in bigger names.

Should he not report that because it doesn't meet your standards of "quality" pro wrestling journalistic integrity? I'm all for having strict journalistic standards, especially as it relates to potentially damaging someone's reputation or causing inappropriate outrage or hysteria. I.e., accusing someone of a crime, making sure you report the facts accurately when reporting on criminal activities and the accused, important political, legal or policy issues, etc.

In fairness I have no idea re: the quality of Meltzer's reporting on other sports like MMA and UFC. I'd be willing to bet that his reporting on UFC, etc., might be a little more thorough re: the inner workings because 1. there's no "creative" story line planning going on that can change at any time, 2. its easier to get direct access to the competitors, their agents, UFC executives, etc. through more regular press conferences, etc., and 3. it's not "entertainment" but actual sport so there's less need to be secretive.

You're criticizing journalistic quality of people reporting on the inner workings, plans, outcomes and politics of a scripted and predetermined dramatic television show on the premise of athletic "competition". Seems to me like you take your pro wrestling "news" a little too seriously.
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Vince and HHH cannot just be reached out to nor would they tell the truth. Remove your head from your ass
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Vince and HHH cannot just be reached out to nor would they tell the truth. Remove your head from your ass
They do interviews. Vince did a shoot interview with Bob Costas and with Michael Lansberg. Vince rightfully doesnt see the dirt sheet writers as reporters. But I highly doubt the dirt sheetz reach out to either of them or Steph or Dunn. Again, like I said, they are happy being fed BS from the guy who collects the balls after practice.

Also both HHH and Vince did shoot interviews with Austin and I didn't see Austin pull any punches in terms of questions. Jericho also did a lengthy interview with HHH. Again, they covered a lot of stuff. That's what I'm saying about getting the info from the horses mouth instead of the guy who reports things like "there will be SOME change to Smackdown". How is that reporting? How about "Brock v Owens isn't on tap for Mania". Okay cool, if your sources are on point you should have the top matches or at least what Brock's match is. But he doesn't because his sources are garbage.

If you read his stuff week after week its literally littered with that kind of stuff. Then when he's flat out wrong about something, it's "plans changed". That's why as s "journalist" I rank his stuff along side those Weekly World News publications they used to have in grocery stores.
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If you read his stuff week after week its literally littered with that kind of stuff. Then when he's flat out wrong about something, it's "plans changed".
Kinda like the Cesaro Big show feud right?
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Is the idea that WWE is going to change something re: commentary or production/presentation for Smackdown but won't be bringing in bigger names when they move to USA not news? It's certainly news to me. I had no idea.

Now I'll agree it's not necessarily exciting news. Maybe his source is only in a position currently to know that there are plans to make changes to Smackdown and that those plans don't involve bringing in bigger names.

Should he not report that because it doesn't meet your standards of "quality" pro wrestling journalistic integrity? I'm all for having strict journalistic standards, especially as it relates to potentially damaging someone's reputation or causing inappropriate outrage or hysteria. I.e., accusing someone of a crime, making sure you report the facts accurately when reporting on criminal activities and the accused, important political, legal or policy issues, etc.

In fairness I have no idea re: the quality of Meltzer's reporting on other sports like MMA and UFC. I'd be willing to bet that his reporting on UFC, etc., might be a little more thorough re: the inner workings because 1. there's no "creative" story line planning going on that can change at any time, 2. its easier to get direct access to the competitors, their agents, UFC executives, etc. through more regular press conferences, etc., and 3. it's not "entertainment" but actual sport so there's less need to be secretive.

You're criticizing journalistic quality of people reporting on the inner workings, plans, outcomes and politics of a scripted and predetermined dramatic television show on the premise of athletic "competition". Seems to me like you take your pro wrestling "news" a little too seriously.
If the story is "no big names will be used" and he has a credible source, sure that's news. But being so vague proves to me his sources are junk and makes everything else in the story suspect.

He's kinda irrelevant when it comes to MMA journalism in my onion. Helwani gets all the big interviews and Front Row Brian is a better source for what I would call behind the scenes info. His website isn't what I would call must visit when it comes to MMA info. He can't play the same game with UFC that he does with WWE.

I don't care what he does. People who are dumb enough to spend 12$ a month to hear his quarter truths can do what they want. But he passes himself off as a journalist, so I think it's fair to question his practices. Especially when much of what he "reports" is just flat out wrong or can't be proven.
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Kinda like the Cesaro Big show feud right?
What's this about now?
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You predicted a Cesaro and Big Show feud.

"Plans changed".
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They do interviews. Vince did a shoot interview with Bob Costas and with Michael Lansberg. Vince rightfully doesnt see the dirt sheet writers as reporters. But I highly doubt the dirt sheetz reach out to either of them or Steph or Dunn. Again, like I said, they are happy being fed BS from the guy who collects the balls after practice.

Also both HHH and Vince did shoot interviews with Austin and I didn't see Austin pull any punches in terms of questions. Jericho also did a lengthy interview with HHH. Again, they covered a lot of stuff. That's what I'm saying about getting the info from the horses mouth instead of the guy who reports things like "there will be SOME change to Smackdown". How is that reporting? How about "Brock v Owens isn't on tap for Mania". Okay cool, if your sources are on point you should have the top matches or at least what Brock's match is. But he doesn't because his sources are garbage.

If you read his stuff week after week its literally littered with that kind of stuff. Then when he's flat out wrong about something, it's "plans changed". That's why as s "journalist" I rank his stuff along side those Weekly World News publications they used to have in grocery stores.
Completely ignore the fact that you're evidence that Vince & HHH will do interviews with anyone who tries hard enough to get an interview is based on the fact that they've done a few interviews in the past with two guys who 1. worked for and were big, successful stars for the company, 2. probably had relatively good/close relationships with them and 3. who are basically celebrities outside of wrestling now too that also have big followings of non-wrestling and wrestling fans. Let's say that you're presumption is true, anyone who tries hard enough to get in touch with HHH or Vince or Stephanie or Dunn, would be able to do so, even a legit reporter or someone from a dirt sheet.

I've yet to hear Austin or Jericho (or even someone from an actual non dirt sheet news publisher like NYT, Sports Illustrated, etc.) ever ask someone in the position of Vince or HHH, "So, what are the main event plans for the next PPV or the next Mania?" or "What are the future creative plans for Superstar X?". Let alone have I heard them ever answer a question like that. That's because Vince, HHH & co. have no incentive to 1. tell them the plans and 2. be truthful about the plans. What would be the point? They'd be giving away the outcome and costing themselves potential revenues. Not to mention the fact that they can (and likely do) change the plans as needed or desired.
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That's what I'm saying about getting the info from the horses mouth instead of the guy who reports things like "there will be SOME change to Smackdown". How is that reporting?
I agree that simply saying there will be SOME change to Smackdown isn't as much news as rumor or speculation.

The point is, he didn't just say there will be some change to Smackdown, he qualified that by saying there will be some change to Smackdown but it won't involve bringing in bigger names to the show and it likely will involve a change in production or commentary. In addition, you have no idea who or how credible his sources may or may not be simply because you don't know who they are.

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But being so vague proves to me his sources are junk and makes everything else in the story suspect.
That doesn't prove anything of the sort. If anything it proves that his sources MAY be junk. Or it could prove that like most journalists he is protecting his sources and himself. It could also just as likely be evidence that his sources told him "Vince is constantly changing his mind, so who knows if this info will be good in a week, but here's what I've heard..." The point is you don't know and you're making a huge presumption that Meltzer and his sources aren't credible.

Again, I think you take your pro wrestling news a little too seriously.

Maybe his sources are credible, maybe not. Maybe plans will change, maybe not. Either way, it's pro wrestling news, not political world affairs, a criminal accusation or anything remotely similar. We're all taking it with a grain of salt.

Meanwhile you're just complaining that it's not credible because the reporters may or may not be getting credible info (with little actual proof to the contrary other than presumptions) while making a living/money off of it. News flash. There are lots of journalists (and I'd argue most) making as much or more money than guys like Meltzer, who are reporting on much larger, more important and consequential stories with sources that are just as credible/non-credible.

I think whoever posted it earlier was possibly onto something. Sounds like you're jealous and bitter at the dirt sheet reporters.
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Most watched because? It surely isn't because MORE viewers are tuning in, it is just the "best" of crap programming. I understand a top slot is a top slot, regardless. An overall drop in viewership is still a net loss.


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So you tune in for the adverts? I watch for the actual show and the content of said show. Just confused on that statement I guess.

No one is debating that Reigns moves merch, just that there are people who find other wrestlers much more entertaining and they would rather watch. This is indicated by people leaving the main event at recent shows when Reigns is prominently involved. The average viewer doesn't care how much merch wrestler X sells, just that they keep the viewer entertained. THAT is the biggest point here, Reigns simply doesn't entertain the average long-time viewer that is now in their 20s or later.
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CyNick doesn't take fifth hand information. Only takes H and Vince's opinion as fact.

Cites a Twitter post and report from a fan supposedly at Raw this past Monday.

Yeah.
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CyNick doesn't take fifth hand information. Only takes H and Vince's opinion as fact.

Cites a Twitter post and report from a fan supposedly at Raw this past Monday.

Yeah.
First, it's not opinions I'm concerned about. Everyone has opinions. Each as worthless as the next.

I'm talking about facts about the inner workings and decisions that have been made. H, Vince, Steph, Dunn would have those. When they speak, I listen.

The fan report I mentioned was a FIRST HAND ACCOUNT. The guy claimed he was at the show and reported what the crowd responded to. Dirt Sheetz would get a quote from that guys 2nd cousin's pool guy, who overheard the 2nd cousin talking to someone else and saying the show was not very good, even though he didn't see it.
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