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Old 12-13-2011, 10:40 AM   #3761
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So whoever wins the East will probably get the 4th seed unless NO falls off a bit. That means that NYG/DAL will face Atlanta probably round 1.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:49 AM   #3762
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This has probably been the weakest year for running backs in recent memory. Other than Adrian Peterson, who else, there really aren't any franchise running backs anymore.
Arian Foster? MJD? Lesean McCoy?
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:12 AM   #3763
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WHY WONT PHILLY GO THE FUCK AWAY
Scary part is, while it would still take a lot going their way...I'm not willing to totally dismiss the notion. Seems like they'll be mathematically eliminated this week if the Giants and Cowboys both win. But you just never know since the Skins nearly beat the Pats who are basically the same team as the Giants at this point (great offense, horrible secondary). Also, #CowboysInDecember
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:16 AM   #3764
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Meanwhile, if the Giants can handle their business and win their next two...a Dallas loss to Philly in Week 16 would clinch the division for the Giants and render Week 17 meaningless.

Dallas stays alive if they beat the Eagles under any scenario though, even if they manage to lose to the Bucs this week.
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You guys are way overestimating the Eagles this year.
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:37 PM   #3767
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Arian Foster? MJD? Lesean McCoy?
Blame Injuries. Fred Jackson had 934 yards rushing, and like 1400 Total in 10 games before breaking his leg.

Matt Forte was having an amazing year before injury as well.
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Old 12-13-2011, 03:54 PM   #3769
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Blame Injuries. Fred Jackson had 934 yards rushing, and like 1400 Total in 10 games before breaking his leg.

Matt Forte was having an amazing year before injury as well.
Jamaal Charles went out early, but given his ability, he also could've had a huge year.
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Old 12-13-2011, 04:20 PM   #3772
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That's about when half the Ravens fans in the stadium got up and left.
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:16 PM   #3773
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So the NFL decided to actually suspended James Harrison a game and he responded on Twitter with a "lol" tweet.

Also ended up being the 1st ever suspension based on a hit and not resulting in an ejection since the new hitting rules went into place. Suh ended up getting suspended due to getting ejected from a game and not the actual nut stomp which only added to his ban.
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Old 12-13-2011, 06:20 PM   #3774
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I'd suspend him for longer on the grounds that he refuses to fucking learn. Consistently flagged and then bitches about it publicly, never admitting he was wrong. Always the victim. If you can't learn to play safe or at least own up to your mistakes I have no place for you in this league. That hit on McCoy was totally unacceptable. The entirety of his body was available to hit and you go high? Get the fuck out
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Old 12-13-2011, 11:13 PM   #3775
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Dunno why offensive linemen don't cut block guys like Harrison more often. Just take his knee out and you've protected your quarterback and many more. Problem solved.
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Old 12-14-2011, 07:28 PM   #3776
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Just got a sneak preview of NFL Films “Sound Effects” piece on Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow, who was wired for sound during the game Sunday against the Chicago Bears.

What struck me foremost is how remarkably calm Tebow is during what we otherwise call “Tebow Time.” Crunch time. Do-or-die time. For instance, Bears running back Marion Barber III fumbled the ball away in overtime. Pandemonium broke out on the Broncos’ sideline. Running back Jeremiah Johnson, sitting next to Tebow on the bench, went nuts. Johnson jumped up like a firecracker went off under his seat. He started pounding repeatedly on Tebow’s shoulder pads, yelling, screaming.


Tebow’s reaction? At first he said nothing. He slowly got off the bench and as he started walking on the field, he started quietly singing a hymn. Not above a whisper, but here the world was turned upside down in an instant and Tebow was singing.

Incredible calm under pressure. As a leader, Tebow is clearly confident and is firm when delivering encouraging messages to various teammates, but he’s not quite as rah-rah as I thought he was. This is the NFL, after all.

Two cool moments: He’s sitting on the bench next to quarterback’s coach Adam Gase. “”Why do we have to do it this way?” Gase asks Tebow, referring to how the team is forced to continually rally from behind late.

Tebow smiles, put his right hand around Gase’s shoulder and says: “”It’s allright. We’ll figure it out, man.”

Another moment comes after Demaryius Thomas lets a long Tebow pass slip through his fingers. Thomas then, and later, said he short-armed the ball and he should have caught it for a touchdown. After the incompletion, a bummed Thomas is on the bench. Again Tebow is sitting to the left. Again, Tebow puts his arm around Thomas and says: “”You’re good. Hey, no big deal. It just makes it closer for a little bit longer. You’re about to catch the game-winner. And then you’ll be the hero of the game.”

Thomas did make two big catches in overtime to help set up Matt Prater’s game-winning field goal. Tebow’s sounds will be shown tonight on the NFL Network at 7:30 p.m. and midnight MST, and also on ”Inside the NFL” at 7 p.m. tonight on Showtime.
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I dont like the moustache either, but he's not lost a game with it yet so I guess he gets a pass.
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Old 12-14-2011, 09:21 PM   #3778
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Wouldn't call Jason Campbell a huge loss, and Michael Bush has been just as good as DMC this year.
kyle boller played that game and then carson palmer came in after being on the team for roughly 3 days... yes jason campbell was a huge loss at that point.
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What? Wrong game. Palmer started the whole game against Denver. He had been on the team for a little over 2 weeks and even had a bye week the week before to get ready for Denver
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This has probably been the weakest year for running backs in recent memory. Other than Adrian Peterson, who else, there really aren't any franchise running backs anymore.
ummm have you been watching the season at all???

Jones-Drew
Forte
Fred Jackson
Gore
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Ray Rice


do you watch football???
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What? Wrong game. Palmer started the whole game against Denver. He had been on the team for a little over 2 weeks and even had a bye week the week before to get ready for Denver
oh shit yea thats right
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ummm have you been watching the season at all???

Jones-Drew
Forte
Fred Jackson
Gore
Lynch
Steven Jackson
Ray Rice


do you watch football???
I feel bad you listed Ray Rice last despite the fact he's #1 in the league in combined yards from Scrimmage.

Also forgot Lesean McCoy
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ummm have you been watching the season at all???

Jones-Drew
Forte
Fred Jackson
Gore
Lynch
Steven Jackson
Ray Rice


do you watch football???
How many of those guys have had consistently good seasons that would qualify them as franchise running backs?

I feel like all of them have had maybe a few good years or been injured a lot, but nothing to qualify them as "franchise." Jones-Drew leads the league in rushing with what, 1220 yards and three weeks left? Nothing special.
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You're forgetting pretty much everyone is pass happy and doesn't care about running the football..and if they run the football they have like 2 or 3 guys.
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How many of those guys have had consistently good seasons that would qualify them as franchise running backs?

I feel like all of them have had maybe a few good years or been injured a lot, but nothing to qualify them as "franchise." Jones-Drew leads the league in rushing with what, 1220 yards and three weeks left? Nothing special.
steven jackson has been one of the best running backs in the league on one of the worst teams ever. Seriously, probably one of the best backs ever but he is on a horrible team. outside of the first year he played when he was mostly behind marshal faulk, he has put up over 1000 year seasons for the past six years and is on his way to do that again this season. To be on a team with a record it has had while hes been on it and the stats he has is incredible.

adrian peterson... i dont need to say anything about him

frank gore has had 1000 yard seasons 5 of the 7 years hes been in the league

forte, rice and mccoy have been around for about the same amount of time. 3-4 seasons? all the greats had to go through a couple seasons before they ended being thought of as the best. and since they have been in the league, they have had consistently good seasons...


when was there really any more elite rb carrying the ball in a season than there is this year? not to mention hindsight is 20-20 with a lot of these guys.
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I feel bad you listed Ray Rice last despite the fact he's #1 in the league in combined yards from Scrimmage.

Also forgot Lesean McCoy
omg shut the fuck up you neurotic one man freak show... i was just naming off a random list of really good running backs to make a point, and i even left off a couple awesome ones shut the fuck up
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NEW YORK -- With NFL games enjoying seemingly invincible ratings while most everything else on TV goes down, the league's traditional broadcast partners embraced a deal that sends their rights fees up.

CBS, Fox and NBC renewed their contracts for nine years through the 2022 season, the NFL announced Wednesday. The average fees from the three networks will increase by an average of 7 percent annually, a person familiar with the details said. That will take the total revenue from them from the current $1.93 billion per year to $3.1 billion by 2022.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the figures weren't made public.

The current agreements expire after the 2013 season.

"(The deals) will ensure the NFL will stay on free television for another 11 years, which I think is great for fans," commissioner Roger Goodell said at the owners' meetings outside Dallas. "It will continue to allow us to grow our audience. It's a tribute to the players and (union chief DeMaurice) Smith for extending our labor agreement for 10 years. I think that kind of stability gave us the ability to get these contract extensions."

Earlier this season, the NFL and ESPN reached an eight-year extension to keep "Monday Night Football" on the cable channel through the 2021 season, increasing the rights fee from $1.1 to 1.9 billion annually.

The new contracts also will allow NFL Network to expand the number of Thursday night games it airs beginning next year. The current schedule includes eight games during the second half of the season.

Goodell said the broadcast committee hadn't yet decided on whether to create a separate Thursday package to sell to an outside network.

NFL games account for 23 of the 25 most-watched programs among all television shows this fall and draw more than twice as many average viewers as broadcast prime-time shows. No wonder network executives piled on the superlatives Wednesday.

"This is incredibly powerful programming," said NBC Sports Group Chairman Mark Lazarus.

"It's as sure as you can get with anything today," said Fox Sports Co-President Eric Shanks.

"It's an unbelievably important product to associate ourselves with," said CBS Sports Chairman Sean McManus.

The three networks will each televise three Super Bowls during the length of the contracts, continuing the current rotation.

The nine-year terms are the longest for NFL television agreements with over-the-air networks. The previous longest were the eight-year deals with CBS, Fox and ABC from 1998-2005.

"With live broadcasts becoming more and more important, having the cream of the crop of live programing for the next 11 years is pretty incredible," Shanks said.

Locking in the NFL is the cornerstone for the rest of networks' economic planning, he said.

"I'm sure even today our ad sales guys' phones are ringing off the hook, even though the deal doesn't start for another two years," Shanks said.

CBS will continue to show the AFC package on Sunday afternoons as it has since 1998, while Fox still has the NFC package that it first acquired in 1994.

"Sunday Night Football" will remain on NBC, which picked it up in 2006. The network will add the annual Thanksgiving prime-time game starting in 2012, exchange one of its current wild- card matchups for a divisional playoff game, and create a Sunday morning pregame show in 2014 on NBC Sports Network (the future name of cable partner Versus).

It also gets three Super Bowls in nine years compared with two in eight seasons under the old deal.

The Thanksgiving night game had been on NFL Network.

"It's one of the most important advertising days of the year," Lazarus said. "We think this will elevate Thanksgiving not only for NBC but for the NFL."

Flexible scheduling will stay in effect to ensure quality late-season matchups on Sunday late afternoons and nights. It will be expanded in 2014 to allow some AFC games to air on Fox and NFC games on CBS, and for NBC to start switching out its prime-time matchups earlier in the season.

Shanks said the "cross-flexing" would allow more of the country to see certain appealing matchups.

The deals include "TV everywhere" rights for the networks to simulcast games online and on tablets -- though not mobile phones, for which Verizon has a separate agreement.

McManus acknowledged the NFL had become "increasingly more valuable."

"To know there's labor peace," he said. "To know the ratings have just been so consistent year after year after year, and ad growth has been so consistent year after year after year."
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ummm have you been watching the season at all???

Jones-Drew
Forte
Fred Jackson
Gore
Lynch
Steven Jackson
Ray Rice


do you watch football???
A lot of those guys aren't that special. You're naming a bunch of Clinton Portis fantasy football running backs on perennial 7-9 teams. They vacillate from season to season with ok years, but I don't think there would be too much of a difference in most of those teams if they had different guys in that spot.

I think a lot of that has to do with teams that base their entire offense on one player. Usually teams who have a guy with a monstrous amount of rushing yards are pretty average/poor teams in general. What was the last team that went to a Super Bowl based on their running back having a really good year? The Seattle Seahawks with Shaun Alexander is the last one that comes to mind, but they also had the best offensive line in the league and a very agile defense. The teams that have players who yield high rushing yards are teams like Jacksonville, St. Louis, Tennessee that have little else going for them offensively. Obviously you still have good teams that have solid running games like Houston and New Orleans and San Francisco, but the position, in particular when it comes to having a "franchise running back," appears to be less vital than it has been in past years.
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How is Steven Jackson not a franchise back? WOW.
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How is Steven Jackson not a franchise back? WOW.
Same reason Jones-Drew isn't. They're pretty much the only offense their teams have.
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32 Starting RBs back in october: Franchise or Not

  1. Fred Jackson NO (Not buying it)
  2. Adrian Peterson YES
  3. Darren McFadden YES
  4. LeSean McCoy YES
  5. Frank Gore YES
  6. Michael Turner YES
  7. Maurice Jones-Drew YES
  8. Matt Forte NO (why'd they Bring in Marion Barber and relegate Forte to a small role?)
  9. Ray Rice YES
  10. Beanie Wells NO
  11. Ryan Mathews NO
  12. Cedric Benson YES
  13. Ahmad Bradshaw NO
  14. BenJarvus Green-Ellis NO (How many RBs does BB use?)
  15. Arian Foster NO (Ben Tate is just as good and they seem to use both now)
  16. Willis McGahee NO (I only say no cause hes had a good 1/2 of a 3/4 of one season with the Broncos, let him keep it up longer and maybe)
  17. Chris Johnson YES
  18. Shonn Greene NO
  19. Rashard Mendenhall NO
  20. DeAngelo Williams NO
  21. Steven Jackson YES
  22. Marshawn Lynch YES
  23. Peyton Hillis NO (one good year)
  24. Pierre Thomas NO
  25. Earnest Graham NO (Its not Blount either)
  26. Ryan Grant NO
  27. Reggie Bush NO
  28. Ryan Torain NO (Redskins RBs lol)
  29. Delone Carter NO (Addai isn't either)
  30. Thomas Jones NO (Jamaal Charles might fit the definition..I can't decide)
  31. DeMarco Murray NO (Not felix Jones either)
  32. Maurice Morris NO (Neither is Kevin Smith or anyone else they have)
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So basically you arent a Franchise RB unless you play for a Super Bowl team?
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32 Starting RBs back in october: Franchise or Not

  1. Fred Jackson NO (Not buying it)
  2. Adrian Peterson YES
  3. Darren McFadden YES
  4. LeSean McCoy YES
  5. Frank Gore YES
  6. Michael Turner YES
  7. Maurice Jones-Drew YES
  8. Matt Forte NO (why'd they Bring in Marion Barber and relegate Forte to a small role?)
  9. Ray Rice YES
  10. Beanie Wells NO
  11. Ryan Mathews NO
  12. Cedric Benson YES
  13. Ahmad Bradshaw NO
  14. BenJarvus Green-Ellis NO (How many RBs does BB use?)
  15. Arian Foster NO (Ben Tate is just as good and they seem to use both now)
  16. Willis McGahee NO (I only say no cause hes had a good 1/2 of a 3/4 of one season with the Broncos, let him keep it up longer and maybe)
  17. Chris Johnson YES
  18. Shonn Greene NO
  19. Rashard Mendenhall NO
  20. DeAngelo Williams NO
  21. Steven Jackson YES
  22. Marshawn Lynch YES
  23. Peyton Hillis NO (one good year)
  24. Pierre Thomas NO
  25. Earnest Graham NO (Its not Blount either)
  26. Ryan Grant NO
  27. Reggie Bush NO
  28. Ryan Torain NO (Redskins RBs lol)
  29. Delone Carter NO (Addai isn't either)
  30. Thomas Jones NO (Jamaal Charles might fit the definition..I can't decide)
  31. DeMarco Murray NO (Not felix Jones either)
  32. Maurice Morris NO (Neither is Kevin Smith or anyone else they have)
Marshawn Lynch is...when he has been inconsistent his whole career and was garbage in Sea last year and until the middle of this year when he got Hot, But Deangelo Williams Isnt...When he has been a far better and consistent player.
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I will retract the FAR better statement, but Williams has been better and has better career numbers than Lynch, and also isnt one bad day away from a year suspension.
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How can Forte have been "relegated to a small role" when he had 997 yards before he got injured with 5 games left? And as much as I love McGahee, no he isn't Denver's franchise back. He's 30 and in his first year here, and to be honest probably won't last long enough to play out his 4 year deal, as injury prone as he's been this season. Yet he gets a basically a maybe while Fred Jackson gets a no? OK
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Had a post written in response to that list, but Hanso & FS covered my bases.
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I'd argue Rashard Mendenhall on the Steelers would be their franchise RB considering he's rushed over 1000+ yards the last 2 seasons and might have a chance this year even though he could end up with less carries than previous seasons.

BenJarvus Green-Ellis is correct even though he started out on pace to have a career-high, BB tends to abandon the run at the slightest problem the offense has regardless of the score.

Forte should be a yes considering how badly the Bears have declined once he went out along with Cutler. He already was close to 1000 yards before getting hurt and the previous 3 years managed to rush for 1000+ or very close to it.
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Marshawn Lynch is...when he has been inconsistent his whole career and was garbage in Sea last year and until the middle of this year when he got Hot, But Deangelo Williams Isnt...When he has been a far better and consistent player.
Williams is barely the Panthers best RB and I dont think you can be a franchise RB and split carries with someone else almost 50/50 (Williams' 126 to Stewart's 115). Stewart is also been more productive as a receiver out of the backfield giving him more total yards from scrimmage..

As far as Forte goes, his number of carries declined in each season from 316 in his rookie season to 237 last year and 203 in 12 games this year. He was even used as a receiver each year less, from 63 catches in his rookie year to 51 last year and 52 this year.
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Matt Forte's carries have been in the top 10 2 of 3 seasons and EASILY would be about top 5 this season if he hadn't missed the last two games. His 316 in 2008 was good for 4th in the NFL, and his 237 in 2009 was 8th. Assuming he'd have gotten about 15 carries per game the last two weeks, his total would've been 233. One short of Frank Gore and Ray Rice, two of your franchise backs, and being tied for 5th most in the NFL.

As far as his receiving stats, do you actually research your bullshit or do you just look at things and form an opinion? Wait, don't answer that, we already know.

Bears' Top 3 Receivers Since 2008
2008: 1. Forte, 63 2. Olsen, 54 3. Hester, 51
2009: 1. Olsen, 60 2. Forte and Hester, 57
2010: 1. Forte and Knox, 51 3. Bennett, 46
2011: 1. Forte, 52 2. Knox, 36 3. Williams, 26

Looks like the definition of a franchise player to me
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  1. Matt Forte NO (why'd they Bring in Marion Barber and relegate Forte to a small role?)
Ummm what?!

he accounted for over 50% of their offense by himself this season oh and by the way would have more yards from scrimmage than your beloved ray rice if he didnt get hurt a couple weeks back. in fact he was leading the league in rushing too at the time if im not mistaken.

They brought in marion barber because they wanted a solid backup and a change of pace back. He barely touched the ball the entire season until forte's injury.

Have you watched espn at all this season? everytime the bears are brought up, the analysts are screeming to pay the guy based on how well he plays. And hes been consistent like this for 3 seasons
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