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Old 10-28-2010, 07:54 PM   #41
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Don't care if they do this, never really could get into Star Wars or recall watching a full movie (besides random scenes)
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:00 PM   #42
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Fucking horrible news if it is true.
I am surprised about it too. I mean..why? money?
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:07 PM   #43
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Honestly, with the TV show on the way, I would guess it's not true. Between that and the clone wars cartoon, which Lucas does have involvement on, there would just be too much on his plate to do another set of movies as well.
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Old 10-28-2010, 08:13 PM   #44
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I thought the show was on hold?
Last time any announcement was made was last year I think. Pretty much claimed they have some scripts, no casting has been done really and they can't go forward because it is going to be super expensive.
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Old 10-28-2010, 09:01 PM   #45
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Honestly, with the TV show on the way, I would guess it's not true. Between that and the clone wars cartoon, which Lucas does have involvement on, there would just be too much on his plate to do another set of movies as well.
The movies are going to happen. There isn't anyway around it.

I don't know when it's going to happen, but by the end of this decade there will be at least 1 new movie... Maybe 2.
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Old 10-29-2010, 03:49 AM   #46
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Boba's is excusable tbh, as there was no way of knowing how popular he would be.

Grievous really irks me though.He was such a badass character, both in design, and backstory. He was easily the coolest part of the original clone wars cartoon. Just ass raped a handul of jedi at once, without even using all 4 arms. Would be fine if that was EU, but it's not. Those cartoons were canon, so his immediate transformation into a giant pussy stung a bit.

His actual death was fine, it was the fight itself which was dissapointing. He went from killing jedi by the dozen to getting owned by one. Yeah, it's obi-wan, but for as much as they hyped grievous up, he should have been the dominant one in the fight, and the lightsaber part should have been longer.
I felt Grievous was supposed to be a dastardly moustache twirler in the film though. His consistent ability to run away like a coward and keep coming back seemed like his whole gig.
They made him more of a badass in the EU, but they have a tendency for doing that with characters fans like.

In general I feel like Lucas was too heavy on the secondary villains in the prequels to begin with.
Tarkin, Boba and Jabba were all very important to the plot of the original trilogy.

Maul, Jango, Dooku and Grievous were important too, but I felt like they weren't thought out as well. Especially Dooku. He seemed like deus ex machina personified. He was just in there as this important Jedi and leader with no prior mention, and it was clearly just to patch the plot. Then he was done with before we ever really knew him.
Grievous was done similarly, but at least there was a sense of him being a player all along that just hadn't figured into the main stories yet.

I feel like Maul and Grievous could have easily filled Dooku's duties, and it would allow them to be more developed and in more than one movie each, while also cutting down on extra characters.
I'd much rather have seen the Jedi unsure of whether Maul was the leader or apprentice, and combat him on the seperatist side. He could perform all of Dooku's duties as an apprentice and be the one Anakin offed in front of Palpatine. He wouldn't have felt as thrown in there in 2.

And Grievous could have of course been the political and military figurehead of the Seperatists from Ep2 onward, which he ended up becoming anyways.

More developed characters that are a part of the story longer feel more natural, rather than disposable tools to advance one part of the story and look cool.
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Old 10-29-2010, 04:12 AM   #47
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I also would have liked to see more elements of 2 and 3 set up in 1. I know it was 10 years earlier and primarily to be an introduction of characters and how things were before the Clone Wars, but they also could have been more on target with what the main conflict of the trilogy would be.

The conflict and events of Episode 1 are almost inconsequential. The trade federation ended up being part of the Clone Wars, but I don't think that felt planned or a natural progression.
If Dooku had to be introduced, then he probably should have been a part of Episode 1 from the get go. Either as Sidious' apprentice, or on the council and visibly at odds with the decisions being made, like they tried to retroactively insert through dialogue in 2.

The cloning or need for an army could have been explored too. Remember all the talk about Fett being a Mandalorian and them being a big part of the prequels and being defeated by the Jedi? In a way, they delivered on that.

But what if the Mandalorians were a threat instead of the Trade Federation, and Jango was the only survivor? That would have been a much better set up for the Clone Wars than seeing the battle droids was.
It still could have provided a conflict, and Palpatine still could have been manipulating it to get himself in office. Less talk about taxes too. It also could have been the first sign that the Republic might need a real army.

Maybe the clone army that came from Jango after that could have been the Seperatists, and the Republic Army and eventual Empire could have been assembled by the senate and Jedi using armies and drafts of other systems?

Clones vs Droids always sort of lacked any human connection as a conflict. It also felt like most of Episode 2 was spent establishing why both sides of the conflict existed, rather than them emerging naturally from the story. One or both sides could have been more or less established in Ep1, while it still served as an intro.

Just some ideas. None of that specifically is really something that had to be there, but in general I feel like there was a lack of planning and slow-build on a lot of the story. Particularly from 1 to 2.
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Old 10-29-2010, 08:54 AM   #48
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I share your thoughts about Episode 1 Jeritron.
I highly dislike Episode 1..I think it is because it sucks and because it is so disconnected from the other ones as you pointed out. It could had been a way better movie if they would have done that.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:34 AM   #49
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I still think it's way better than 2 though. 2 suffers the most because it has to spend time setting that crap up. Plus it suffers from a horrible script. The first half of the movie is really boring, and the whole thing is poorly paced. I won't harp on the dialogue, but yea. I love great Star Wars action, but the action really has nothing behind it in 2. Just sort of cool action scenes strung together.
Feels like every fight and action sequence in Episode 3 and the original trilogy is all worth something and advances the story.

The best parts of 2 are definitely Obi Wan being a detective. The end battles are definitely good action but like I said, I felt they were sort of shallow.
Plus Episode 2 just feels cheap in so many places. I can't really put my finger on it, but the acting, effects and the overall look and feel of the movie just feels different from the others a lot of times. Like a really high budget SyFy channel movie or something. Not that bad but it just doesn't feel like a Lucas film. Too crisp and artificial looking or something. Hard to explain in words.
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Old 10-29-2010, 11:43 AM   #50
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Old 10-29-2010, 01:43 PM   #51
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Jeritrion to remake the Prequel trilogy. Book it.
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:24 AM   #52
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Old 10-30-2010, 09:06 AM   #53
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Dooku definitely should have been in episode one. I remember wizard hyping up the prequels when they were announced, and talking about the possibility of seeing mandos vs jedi. Never truly came to fruition.
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Old 10-30-2010, 12:01 PM   #54
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Also episode 2 was way to slow moving. It took forever for plot advancements.
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Kinda wished Jabba's cameo was better. Seemed pointless. If he was going to show up at all he should have lived up to his name that's meant to be intimidating in 4 and 5.
Always felt like he had even more power back then and had something to do with killing Jedi. Obv not himself but indirectly.

Also always envisioned Tarkin as a player in the Clone Wars. Maybe a General with conflicting ideologies from Obi Wan. It was nice to see him at the end of Episode 3, but I felt he should have maybe had Commander Cody's role or something.
Then it would have been him on mission with Obi Wan, and him who took the order 66 from Palpatine to kill him and hunt him when he got away. That sort of plays into my wishing there was more of a human element on the Republic side and not just clones. At least with officers.

I never felt there should be too many cameos for cameo sake, but Tarkin and Boba were definitely two characters I felt had strong ties to the Clone Wars.
I'm glad they cut that Greedo scene and didn't include any Han or Lando cameos. Chewy was cool. When I heard Chewy was in Episode 3 I was almost sure he would meet Obi Wan, since Obi appears to recognize him at the Cantina and goes to him for the hookup.
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So lost in Star Wars debate in this thread....I love Star Wars...but damn, I could never talk about it in depth like this.

As far as the rumored new movies are concerned. I will wait and reserve judgment on a new trilogy until it's confirmed and some semblance of a story is released.
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Old 11-02-2010, 10:34 PM   #58
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I'm all for a new trilogy, but not directed by Lucas. And hell no at adapting EU stories, leave them alone. I rather some new characters, cameos from the old cast (many are still alive and somewhat active), and tapping some elements of the EU: Witch Sisters, major heroes that aren't Jedi, and a badass new Skywalker.

And for fuck sake if it's gonna be 3D film it as such, don't half ass it. Cast unknowns so people won't bitch about who may effect the movie however before seeing a single clip. And I repeat do not let Lucas direct it (or even write it). ILM stays of course, and John Williams is Star Wars. One of them should be directed or consulted by Steven Speilberg; I just have a good feeling on that.

Print the movies on DVDs and mail them directly to me. I'll be happy.
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When you say Lucas shouldn't write it, do you mean the screenplay or the story altogether?
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Screenplay. He has a right to set a general path, and even moderate over the universe rules, but I rather he not be involved with specifics. Some dialogue from the prequel movies (which I generally liked) made me cringe. Cringe. He seems pretty good at heroic buddy banter, though. I loved Obi/Ani bickering.
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He should definitely be providing any story outlines. Even though I'm against him doing these, if they must happen I want it to be his creation.
I agree that he should be getting the proper help in the dialogue though. It would be nice to see Lawrence Kasdan working with him again. What they did together on Empire and Raiders was unreal.
And yes, Spielberg directing a Star Wars movie would be great. It should have happened on Return of the Jedi, or Episode 1 or 2.
I'm not sure if the director's guild would still stop it though.

There are a lot of good things they could do here, don't get me wrong. There's a chance to get some of the wrongs of the prequels right, from a production standpoint. I just don't dig the Star Wars franchise being reopened though, since the film saga does have a specific narrative to it which has been completed.
I also like the idea of the films being done with, regardless of how far the franchise goes on. I'm all for them making video games, novels, cartoons, comics, and even a live-action tv series 'til they're blue in the face.
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I just think there's a lot of evidence that people other than Lucas 'get' the mythology and have a handle on providing great stories in the universe (no matter what timeline). However, I think there's a certain tone that should remain. Sort of like the last Indiana Jones movie, how they kept the tone of the series intact. In this regard other writers don't seem to 'get it' or were even interested in translating the feel of the series.
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I'm against bringing back the old cast. I don't think that would work.

I'd be fine with using the Droids on the other hand.
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Well the trilogies are fictionally about two decades apart, and we're shy past that in real time, so I think the original cast showing up in limited roles would be natural.

To be honest, I just wanna see Mark Hamil play an older Jedi Master Luke.
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Limited role with Mark Hamil I'd have no real problem.

Don't bring in Harrison Ford. That would be a disaster.
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I wouldn't say "disaster".
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I wouldn't be suprised at all if the story was about Luke and a new apprentice of his. Not sure how they'd get around the other characters.
I also have no clue who or what they would provide for the main conflict of the trilogy. When it comes to conceiving a villain, all I can say is good luck coming up with anything close to Vader/Palpatine/The Empire.
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I wouldn't say "disaster".
Well it would at least be a catastrophe.
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Perhaps something smaller scale, a more personal threat. The prequel trilogy was going from conspiracy to a hero's fall. The middle trilogy was the rise of a 'new hope' and the redemption of said hero, while defeating the overlord. This trilogy could channel the opportunity given to crafty figures after the big war. Downplay politics and mystery, make the struggles inward for this new hero. Give him a mission, something worth the training.

I like Luke having this Jedi apprentice rather than the depictions of a rebuilt Jedi Order in other stories. I like Kyle Katarn, but I like 'near extinct' Jedi better. How about a switch; more Sith against two Jedi? Why use Sith at all...
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I always though a large Jedi Order being built in the EU was stupid. After the Empire is defeated, it makes sense for the Rebels to organize a New Republic, and for fragment of the Empire to be left to fight.
The EU did that, but they also had Luke go and re-organize a huge Jedi Order. I think it should be a much smaller order, of him with 1 apprentice to start, and them being much more disconnected from the politics and galactic picture.
More like Luke and a few others carrying on the Jedi way privately in a temple, somewhere on a remote planet, and only getting involved in matters that directly concern them.
Really, it should be something people outside of Luke's inner circle don't really know about.
It's established that after the events of Episode 3, the general public sees the force and Jedi as a myth or sham anyways. It should stay that way, while Luke carries on the teachings in a way that's more similar to monks.
I don't really see any need for them to be leaving their Temple in the woods unless shit hits the fan and Leia and Co. need to call in the big guns.
You'd think they would learn from the mistakes of the Jedi in the prequels.
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Ah, but that's not a lesson that Luke should learn, he's only ever heard of the old ways. For the most part all of the Jedi involved paid for their blind arrogance. It's likely Luke can make the same mistakes.

(This is assuming the old gang don't return as ghosts and just tells Luke not to run a pompous non aggressive Jedi Order)

In any case Luke and one or two students (Han and Leia's kid(s)?) feels like a good number. And would the New Republic even trust a new Order? From the outside looking in I sure as hell wouldn't. Scary space wizard ninjas with laser swords who's personal vendettas decide the fate of worlds? I'd perma-ban them.
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I guess I just never felt keen on the Jedi Order becoming a big thing again. Even if it did, it shouldn't happen until long after Luke is dead. Finding and training worthy Jedi is just not something that should be happening in that quantity during Luke's life.
He should only train one at a time, and for a decade or more before they go and take an apprentice of their own.

I think Luke actually stepping into the Jedi role, and finding an apprentice would be the most interesting thing to see.
It's too late for that though. But it's not like there are just a bunch of worthy force users sitting around. Luke has to fatefully come across the right apprentice.
It would also be great to see Luke exploring the universe as the only Jedi. Uncovering old secrets and locations, etc.
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I remember when I was 13, I made a comic about Mace Windu being trapped in carbonite during the purge, and Luke finding him after Return of the Jedi, and the 2 of them starting the Jedi up again after ROTJ.
Both took apprentices, and Luke's became a sith without him knowing.
This was before Episodes 2 and 3 ever came out.
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Let's get more Brits as Jedi as well. It fits like casting Japanese as ninjas.
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Either way, movies set after Return of the Jedi are films I wish Lucas made in the early 90s, while supposedly waiting for the technology to get good enough to make 1-3.
Obviously the effects of the time were fine to make those.

I can see how he felt constricted by 80s technology in making a story the scope of the Clone Wars, but there's really nothing about a post-original trilogy story that coudln't be done with the same level of technology they were at by Return of the Jedi. The possibilites would be even greater by the early 90s.
If they released the first one in 1990, they would have been done by 1996, and Episode 1 could still have been primed and ready to go in 1999.
People would have been way less unreasonable in their expectations, and Lucas clearly wouldn't have had the rust. He'd probably be more open to still using other directors too.

I can only imagine what it would be like if 9 Star Wars movies existed that were at the quality of the Original Trilogy and Episode 3. It easily could be the case too.
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Woulda, shoulda, coulda. His lazy ass.

Probably has an outline for a new trilogy on his desk now.
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If there is a new trilogy it has to be live action. The cartoon movie bombed and it was horrible to see a Star Wars movie not have the 20th Century Fox horn at the start. Through me off for the entire "film" aka pilot of the cartoon series.

I heard the cartoon film trilogy rumor was deemed false by George.
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The Clones Wars cartoon is awesome.
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I haven't watched it all, but I'm a fan of it. The thing I like least is the animation itself.
I loved the Samurai Jack animation style of the 2D shorts, but I don't think it translates well to the computer animated version.

I would like to see them do something else besides the Clone Wars in the animated realm. Maybe Shadows of the Empire.
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