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Old 10-16-2016, 05:05 PM   #881
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Feel like TNA if they are to move forward in any way shape or form needs to change their name. "TNA" is so unbelievably low rent.
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Old 10-16-2016, 05:50 PM   #882
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GFW and Lucha Underground are probably the best examples of this.

Jeff Jarrett tried to start a new promotion with GFW but without a tv deal, it could never be bigger or equal to TNA and all his plans quickly fell apart.

Lucha Underground has TNA-like problems with money but because they have a tv deal, it at least gives them a chance at succeeding or finding big investors than if they didn't.
GFW is doing fine. He's building it the same way he built TNA. Their product is solid too.
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Old 10-16-2016, 06:36 PM   #883
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They have a pre-existing tv deal, a talent base, a place to put on their show, etc.

While there are a ton of negatives at the moment, there's still a base there that can be rebooted and rebranded assuming they can sell pop tv on it.
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Old 10-16-2016, 07:07 PM   #884
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GFW is doing fine. He's building it the same way he built TNA. Their product is solid too.
Good to hear since last time I read about big GFW stuff, it was usually disappointing. Either them still struggling to get a tv deal in the US or getting ridiculed a lot online because of the credit card announcement.
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Good to hear since last time I read about big GFW stuff, it was usually disappointing. Either them still struggling to get a tv deal in the US or getting ridiculed a lot online because of the credit card announcement.
Don't forget GF Gold.
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Old 10-16-2016, 08:59 PM   #886
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Good to hear since last time I read about big GFW stuff, it was usually disappointing. Either them still struggling to get a tv deal in the US or getting ridiculed a lot online because of the credit card announcement.
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Something called Global Force Gold involving getting a credit or debit-like card in return for giving some money to the company GFW is associated with for this policy.

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I've always had a suspicion that part of Jarrett's plans for GFW have involved keeping a close eye on TNA's progress circling the drain, and if not actually buying it, at least kind of stepping into their spot and claiming it's best talent. I seriously wouldn't be too surprised if Corgan eventually won his lawsuits, claimed TNA and rebooted it with a partnership in place with GFW where TNA became the major US anchor of GFW.
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Old 10-16-2016, 09:23 PM   #889
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Haha so this thread made me look at the GFC website and what the hell is Jarrett doing selling gold?
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Global Force is still a thing? It was getting a lot of attention in the sheetz at first but I feel like I haven't heard a word about it in a year or so.
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According to Jeremy Borash, TNA might end up spending more money to tape an episode of Impact from the Hardy's house than at the regular Impact Zone. All depends on how much they go all out with the set, arena, and other plans for the show.

For some reference, TNA spends somewhere between $500k to $600k for an Impact episode.

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On if doing a show at the Hardy compound is a way for TNA to save money:

“I heard something last night from one of the most ‘respected news reporters’ that we’re doing this Hardy show to save money. We’re planning a Hardy special in December. Complete [expletive]. Not even close. The amount of money we’re spending on this show is equal to, if not more, than what it would cost to do an Impact.”
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“There’s going to be a ring there. We’re setting up his ‘Dome of Deletion’ to fully accommodate the six-sided ring, lighting, fans, everything. It will look like a completely different arena. And then of course the Hardy compound will be the battleground for Apocalypto.”
Also downplayed the company being sued or everything being as dire as the sheets have been reporting recently.

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Old 10-17-2016, 04:06 AM   #892
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It's like they don't realize people hate Empty Arena Matches, don't care and are going to do a full episode with nothing but.
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It's like they don't realize people hate Empty Arena Matches, don't care and are going to do a full episode with nothing but.
The post above yours does way there's going to be fans.
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But it's supposed to be bad, so we should laugh.
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I sure will be. This is the first TNA related thing I've actually looked forward to in years.

May as well pull a Costanza and end on a high note.
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Sometimes I still go back just to watch Matt randomly find a dilapidated boat and exclaim "It's a dilapidated boat!" Ridiculous. lol
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Ridiculous internet memes and such are about a million times more popular than wrestling now. They did a good job creating that. Sure it makes wrestling look retarded to people who are just tuning in. But so does WWE. At least this example shows self-awareness and is having fun with it. WWE is actually trying to be serious while creating a televised abortion and that's way more embarrassing.
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My favourite is still the river of old gimmicks. Both Jeff Hardy coming out as the Immortal version and Abyss going in and coming out as Joseph Park crack me up.
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According to the Observer, more news about TNA's financial mess is going to pop up later this week.

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It occurred to me a couple of years ago that the backstage segments that are hangovers from the Attitude era could actually be really off-putting to people with common sense or taste. Why would Triple H and Stephanie McMahon talk about their evil plans in front of a camera that Daniel Bryan can watch later?

We as hardcore fans talk about it and joke about it as one of those wrestling things that either sort of bugs us or we don't notice -- but I often do wonder just how powerful something like that is to potential new fans. If you had never heard of wrestling when it was "cool" or when your older brother liked it, would you, in 2016, switch over and see these soliloquies and think "Oh, this makes no sense...I'm hooked"?

As hardcore fans, we let so much stupid stuff slide because we're so used to it. We love it at our core, so we give it a pass, or very often don't even notice it or question it. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is like "the fuck is this shit?" and turns off and wrestling never gets "cool" again. It doesn't make sense. The old slam against Kevin Dunn and Vince McMahon's approach was that they want to be too much like scripted television, but the thing is, they're not even good at that. There are redundant characters, redundant passages of dialogue, little continuity, and the acting is generally pretty bad. It's bad television. We praise the WWE for its production values, but that is for a wrestling company, and WWE chooses to not be a wrestling company, so it disqualifies itself on that laurel.

Just the other day I heard someone talking about a UFC fighter. I can't remember who it was, but they were talking about how much they hate them. They asked if I wanted to grab a beer to watch the fight. I agreed, even though I don't watch much UFC. I couldn't pass up the opportunity to have a social interaction with someone being WORKED!

"Brock Lesnar is such a dick." Yeah. He makes money by conveying that to you. The fights are real, don't get me wrong, but those personalities (even if they are based in truth) are work, work, working you.

I often think that wrestling must be done because everybody knows it is fake and is still butt-hurt about believing it for a second, even though they don't hate movies for the same reason; but then I see the people that are way into UFC (where the fights are, frankly, and this is just my opinion, routinely boring) and that there are people voting for Trump. They can be so fucking worked.

The WWE can control its own outcomes and hire guys who could, hypothetically, with the right training, work individual and exciting matches that are designed to extract more emotion and tell a more dramatic story than anything the UFC can put together on anything more than smart booking and good faith.

The worst thing about professional wrestling is that with some clever personalities, it could grab the world by the balls. You just need to tap in what people are willing to believe is real for a reasonable amount of time a week with the odd social investment when it comes to your town or there's a PPV on. It just needs to plant those memories in a new generation of fan that is always going to have that nostalgic twinge for that time they liked wrestling. That is what draws people back.

AJ Styles as WWE World Champion is the one thing that I feel properly works in the WWE, because I can completely believe he is the best professional wrestler in the world today. Everyone else has the same matches and the same promos. If they could get The Rock back to work with Styles, I bet you those television ratings will creep up. You know why? Because people can believe in The Rock. And when those ratings creep up, I'd like to hear those people who say "you have to understand that television is dying and the way people consume media is different" respond. Because, yes, there is truth to that, but it doesn't explain the proportional decline of WWE's live weekly viewership. That is a stale product.
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On one hand, the production and the booking is bad. I will give you that 100%. I am going to mention a problem that no one wants to bring up, but it's a major one that afflicts every promotion, in my opinion: Marks.

I don't mean the ones in the audience. I don't mean the so called "Smart Marks." That's another rant for another time. I'm talking about the Marks in the ring. Maybe this is a result of watching too many Al Snow shoots (he contradicts himself at times and is good at over exaggerating, but he's a more solid mind than most in this business.).

The In-Ring Action is better than it's ever been? So fucking what? At the end of the day, the casual observer (the person who doesn't watch wrestling) is going to be like "It's all fake, anyway!"

Good matches, in the grand scheme of things, don't mean shit. All you really have to do is not actually maim your opponent and be coordinated enough to look like you belong in the ring, and it will work. There's a reason why Hulk Hogan was a much bigger star than Tito Santana, despite Tito being the MUCH better worker. Do you want to know why Daniel Bryan got over with 100% of the audience? It wasn't just because he was a great wrestler. It was because he was the Underdog Every Man that everyone could relate to. He was the Mighty Ducks. He was the Bad News Bears. He was the Karate Kid. Everyone saw themselves as him and it made them want to see him succeed. If he had figured that out sooner, he would still be a Main Eventer, rather than just an Authority Figure.

I mentioned a few years ago that Rob Conway's run as the "Con Man" was actually a success, despite the silence he came out to and how he more or less went nowhere as a result of it. It was a success because he fucking tried something, which is more than what much of the talent can say for themselves. If you want that much coveted Main Event Spot, get people in the door. I don't mean smart marks. They're gonna get in the door if it was a broom wrestling a bag of shit. I mean the casual observers. They want interesting characters. And that is just as much on the talent themselves as it is on "Creative."

And don't give me shit about Zack Ryder. His biggest success is still having a job. He would have been released years ago if he hadn't come up with his gimmick. If he came up with compelling story lines that worked with his gimmick, maybe he could have maintained his momentum.

But, back to the point at hand: "Creative," as a whole, is lazy as shit. This isn't a new thing, either. They were lazy as shit when the Ringmaster wanted a new gimmick, and the best they could come up with was Chilly McFreeze, Ice Dagger, and Baron Von Ruthless. He had to get divine inspiration from his Second Wife to become one of the biggest names in the business. And he didn't get there by being the best worker in the world, which he was at one point. He got there by being the Average Working Man who people could live vicariously through when he kicked his boss' ass.

So, ultimately, the secret to making Wrestling work for this audience is giving the casual observer something and someone they would want to see. That's why the '80s worked so well. Many of the folks who were over as shit got over as shit because they were doing their own thing and not relying on "Creative." Jake "the Snake" Roberts didn't fight for titles. All of his programs were over something that struck at a personal level. And they drew more often than they didn't.
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That's why Rusev is my sleeper pick for WWE's next break-out dude. If they manage to have one. I don't think if it's by design or choice, but he never gives too much away. The dude like never kicks out of anyone's finisher. He's a good athlete and all that, but he wrestles like an Attitude era star.

I think there's money in him somewhere. I think it's as a babyface too, as weird as that sounds. They'd obviously need to move away from the Bulgarian Brute evil foreign shtick, but there's something endearing about that big lug that I hope they can bring out.

It was here somewhere before I brought up all the matches being the same. If we saw Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker every week, we'd get sick of seeing Shawn Michaels vs. Undertaker. Everybody busts out of everything and there is no real drama in the context of the match. It dawned on me how many times I was seeing it in a row at Clash of Champions and I started laughing to myself. There's no way a casual fan could take this seriously.

And that is why smart marks are a problem. Because we clap like trained seals for that shit that no one really wants to see. The guys in the ring are now the smart fans from the Attitude era, and they're marks for the shit they can do. I'd take a shorter match with a more organic structure than the same "they fight, bad guy falls out, good guy dives, bad guy catches him on something, beats him down, good guy fights back, bad guys hits finishing move, good guy kicks out, every move they know is used and they all kick out until a this is awesome chant starts and then the next move ends it" match we see ALL the fucking time.
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Wasn't all that awesome, tbh...... agree with the in ring action not needing to be so "good" all the time......

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According to the Observer, TNA is facing a fourth lawsuit with this time involving a travel company.

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Another lawsuit for unpaid bills against TNA Entertainment, filed over the summer, was by American Express Travel Related Services Company for unpaid bills.

American Express filed suit in the Supreme Court in the state of New York on July 20th claiming nonpayment of $269,049.50 in travel related expenses. The claim is the company used their American Express Corporate account to charge various items and American Express was not paid.

The claim is that the company agreed to payments on the receipt of monthly billing statements as well as to pay court costs if the case went to court. It claimed the agreement included that the defendants were to pay all reasonable costs when it came to American Express collecting the money owed, including finance charges and delinquency frees.

The lawsuit asked for payment of the $269,049.50 as well all legal costs for having to go to court and rectify the bill.
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Who the fuck wants to touch this company?

Corgan should just cut and run while he got the chance. Let it go bankrupt, part it out, done.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why Corgan wouldn't just try to start his own company from scratch and leave the baggage behind. The TNA brand doesn't exactly have a ton of value. Is the existing TV deal they have really worth this much?
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Wrestling's image as long been soured for most networks, but surely Billy Corgan could at least get a sit-down with someone and pitch a new wrestling show. He could probably get a better slot on a better network.
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Observer speculating TNA might be filing for bankruptcy soon but would probably drag out the official announcement since Dixie wouldn't want to take all the blame for its downfall.

This Thursday might give a big idea of how screwed the company is once Corgan's lawsuit files become public.
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Ted turner Eric bischoff and hulk hogan should buy tna when it dies and resurrect it as nwa.
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TNA could be facing a 5th lawsuit depending on what happens with the American Express lawsuit. Apparently when American Express cut off TNA's business credit card with the company, someone from TNA's management had to handle travel costs using their own credit card till TNA got things settled.

Them getting sued by America Express is also because they never bothered to tell AE they changed office locations after getting kicked out so AE kept sending notices and bills to a place that couldn't accept TNA's mail.

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As for the American Express lawsuit, multiple sources familiar with the situation have provided additional details as to how TNA has been dealing with that. Apparently, when TNA’s corporate credit card used for travel was cut off, at least one member of TNA management started charging those expenses to a personal card. This is a dangerous precedent to set, to say the least.
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Fuck it at this point I might as well sue TNA.
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Pretty good analysis of what's happening in TNA
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Fuck it at this point I might as well sue TNA.
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TNA could be facing multiple breaches of contract filings by wrestlers once the Corgan lawsuit gets unsealed tomorrow. Was already rumored several wrestlers were preparing the paperwork needed but more could possibly join after tomorrow.

Speculated that might have been a big reason why the lawsuit was sealed originally to prevent it from happening.





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Who the fuck wants to touch this company?

Corgan should just cut and run while he got the chance. Let it go bankrupt, part it out, done.
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