10-19-2016, 04:29 PM | #921 |
I am the cheese
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10-19-2016, 04:48 PM | #922 |
Inno Knows.
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They're the only ones who can monetize it properly.
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10-19-2016, 04:50 PM | #923 |
Make the IWC Great Again
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10-19-2016, 04:54 PM | #924 |
( ._.)
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Hmm I wonder if I can buy some of the video library.
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10-19-2016, 05:40 PM | #925 |
BAY BAY
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TNA hearing is delayed until next week, looks like Fight Network are offering money to pay Corgan back and then run new shows.
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10-21-2016, 10:15 PM | #926 | ||
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According to the Observer, its actually possible to point to the date when everything went downhill for TNA in regards to their current crisis. Quote:
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10-22-2016, 04:02 PM | #927 |
Make the IWC Great Again
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Lol typical BS writing from The Obsever. It boggles my mind that anyone subscribes.
What usually gets lots on the wrestling "journalists" is that it is basically impossible to be successful nationally at sports entertainment if you are not WWE. Same reason that no leagues try to do pro football in the US that are not the NFL. Dave and those guys are still stuck in the territory days when you had multiple companies carving out a territory and having moderate success. WWE is all a fan of sports entertainment needs. There isn't this glut of fans just waiting for an alternative to WWE to show up. That said, I applaud TNA for at least trying to compete with WWE. Did it work out? No. But not for the reasons Dave listed. You need stars to attract an audience. You can't just rely on indy guys nobody has heard of to carry a company to WWE heights. As for the head to head debate, well it worked for Nitro, so why not try it again? I don't know exactly why TNA has failed because Ive never worked there. But when you hear people talk who were in the upper management it sounds like Dixie was in over her head. She didn't have the drive of a Vince McMahon. Its been basically 20 years since Eric Bischoff become the only person to have success against Vince. That was on the back of a company that had decades of history and some of the biggest current stars of the era. It's hard to imagine any company would have success against WWE in modern times. The best you can hope for is to maintain a small following and break even. |
10-22-2016, 05:07 PM | #928 |
MVP Mark
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Arena football is in the US. Vince attempted to compete with the NFL also.
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10-22-2016, 05:32 PM | #929 |
King of Love and Piss
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Yo is Hell In the Cell this week?
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10-22-2016, 05:33 PM | #930 |
LUV CABBAGE/H8 JEWS
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next week
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10-22-2016, 05:55 PM | #931 |
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I think you can have two thriving companies in the US. TNA made a fuck ton of mistakes and too many blind risks. They've had a shit ton of talent run thru there. They were just mismanaged.
It doesn't mean they could've reached the heights of WWE. But they could've been a profitable number 2. |
10-22-2016, 06:45 PM | #932 | |
Cranky Kong
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Whether you can or not, ask that question to one hundred people before asking that same question to the same hundred people about the NFL, and I don't think there's too much more to have to say. Vince attempted, but that league died after one season. |
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10-22-2016, 06:46 PM | #933 |
Cranky Kong
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And Vince tried in the NFL's offseason. He definitely knew better than to try and go head on.
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10-22-2016, 06:55 PM | #934 |
I am the cheese
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Head to head we unquestionably a mistake. Their numbers fell week to week and rose when they left mondays. Its really simple to track.
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10-22-2016, 06:57 PM | #935 |
LUV CABBAGE/H8 JEWS
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the fuck? |
10-22-2016, 06:58 PM | #936 |
Quark is Less Impressed.
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10-22-2016, 09:05 PM | #937 |
Make the IWC Great Again
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Arena football is a different sport. XFL proves my point, it failed miserably. There's really no sport in North America that has multiple promotions on the same level. Yeah football has the CFL and AFL, but both are different to the NFL. No other baseball, basketball, soccer or hockey leagues exist to go against MLB, NBA, MLS, NHL respectively.
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10-22-2016, 10:12 PM | #938 |
boop/bop/beep
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Yeah but wrestling is a t.v. show and a form of entertainment, not the same as other sports.
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10-22-2016, 11:00 PM | #939 | |
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You're a fucking moron. If you think that college football and the NFL aren't similar enough, you need to get your fucking head checked. Or just a dumb ass. Overall, college football is substantially a bigger product than the NFL. |
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10-24-2016, 03:50 AM | #940 | ||
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Another lawsuit was filed against TNA recently.
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10-24-2016, 07:21 AM | #941 |
Celestia's Left Hand
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Where is LOLTNA? It should be documenting this meltdown.
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10-25-2016, 12:00 AM | #942 | ||
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10-25-2016, 05:08 PM | #943 | |
Inno Knows.
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From PWInsider, part of the unsealed documents:
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10-25-2016, 07:07 PM | #944 |
Let me talk to ya
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I really hope Corgan gets them. Dixie just sounds like a horrible business person.
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10-25-2016, 07:11 PM | #945 |
Resident drug enabler
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I'm always for someone new trying to get wrestling right. From listening to him in podcasts, Corgan seems to at least have an idea of what might work.
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10-25-2016, 07:24 PM | #946 |
Let me talk to ya
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He might know how to run the business side as well. I could see the court just shutting down TNA and giving Corgan whatever he wants that he can use to create a new company.
And Dixie wanted a reality show for herself that showed a woman running a pro wrestling company. Probably couldn't get any footage of her actually doing anything. |
10-25-2016, 09:17 PM | #947 |
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Pro Wrestling Sheet recently leaked a series of emails between Billy Corgan and Dixie/TNA that pretty much proved everything Corgan claims in his lawsuit is true and Dixie is lying about saying TNA never did anything being claimed.
https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCirc...in_posts_them/ |
10-25-2016, 09:55 PM | #948 |
Resident drug enabler
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#Dixieleaks
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10-26-2016, 02:06 AM | #949 | |
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Except for very rare cases involving monopolies, bankruptcy and large, illegal corporate schemes, court's will not shut down companies. In this case, even if they did, Billy wouldn't be entitled to anything left over from TNA until all of TNA's creditors were paid off. Even though Billy is alleging that TNA is bankrupt, this is not a bankruptcy case involving TNA, this is a breach of duty and breach contract case between Corgan and Dixie and TNA, so TNA will not be shut down by this court in this case. |
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10-26-2016, 11:13 AM | #951 |
King of Suplexes/Oxy
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10-26-2016, 11:31 AM | #952 |
Inno Knows.
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Dixie is going to walk into court with Russo and demand the company is reset.
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10-26-2016, 11:37 AM | #953 |
king of sucks
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10-26-2016, 12:12 PM | #954 |
Best Poster
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Oh my God. He actually capitalized a word!
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10-26-2016, 01:18 PM | #955 |
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Temporary injunction hearing today. In order to get the temporary injunction Corgan will have to show the judge that clearly his rights (under the contract) are or will be violated and he will suffer immediate and irreparable injury before there is a final judgment in this case.
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10-26-2016, 01:28 PM | #956 | |
Inno Knows.
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MORE DOCUMENTS:
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10-26-2016, 01:59 PM | #957 |
Triple A
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I haven't been following this ever since the deal apparently "fell apart" and something about Corgan filing a lawsuit... can someone sum up what the current situation is in a sentence or two... :-( So is nobody buying TNA? Or Corgan still might get ownership? WWE 100% out?
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10-26-2016, 02:03 PM | #958 |
Let me talk to ya
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TNA is in a lot of debt and never informed Corgan of the massive debt once he made investments and then once he became president they continued to not give him the information he needed to run the company basically. Big Crippy Z might be able to explain better, that's the best I can do though.
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10-26-2016, 02:06 PM | #959 |
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Corgan's alleging breach of his investment contract and that his investment deals with TNA would allow him to take over Dixie's ownership stake should they default on his repayments.
He's now alleging that they did default on his repayments, he attempted to exercise his right to take over TNA and they ignored him, then TNA proceeded (and failed) to attempt to sell TNA's most valuable asset (i.e. TNA's tape library) to WWE, which under his investment contract, he now has the contractual right to control TNA, they did without his inclusion or permission, as well as blocking him from running TNA's daily ops as President. He's also alleging that TNA/Dixie fraudulently mislead him by intentionally failing to disclose TNA's true financials/debts in order to get him to sign the investment agreement. |
10-26-2016, 02:09 PM | #960 |
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He's also claiming that TNA/Dixie offered to pay him his investment money back IF he would drop and waive any any and all current or future legal claims against any and all current or potential parties relating to this deal. He apparently told them he would not do that.
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