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Old 11-29-2016, 02:10 AM   #401
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damn I fell asleep and missed the last hour, will have to youtube that main event
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Old 11-29-2016, 02:39 AM   #402
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Feel like the New Day will be all.."we've beaten every one blah blah so here's an open challenge" and out comes the Revival to beat them but not until Roadblock after they break the record.
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The only negative thing I can say about the match.... I hated that they hot-potatoed the belt...again. Shit move with trying to build a new Woman's Division and establish the championship equal to the men's belt. This needs to stop.

With that being said, the match was awesome. All phases of it. This was a PPV-esque match that SHOULD HAVE replaced the HIAC match. If the Cell match was this match, I would not have been so critical of it being Main Event. Probably the best part about this was the finish. A "Falls Count Anywhere" match that did not end in the ring, at ringside, or on the stage...who'd thunk it!?! Actually, I love that it ended in the crowd. When was the last time a match ended with a fall or submission in the crowd? Can't even think of one right now.
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Old 11-29-2016, 04:30 AM   #404
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I really don't think Sasha and Charlotte trading the belt is that big of a deal, if indeed this is the end of their feud.

It's established both women as THE top two women wrestlers in the company, so they can have meaningful feuds outside of the title picture.

I sure prefer this over just giving the belt to someone random every few months and building some half ass feud, like they used to do with the Divas title
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:51 AM   #405
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How does it end the feud? Charlotte gets her rematch right?
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Old 11-29-2016, 08:27 AM   #406
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It has the end sometime. They're obviously not gonna keep doing rematches forever

I'm sure Charlotte will demand another match with Foley just telling her she has to get back in line. There doesn't HAVE TO be another match, but we'll see, I suppose.
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The guaranteed rematch clause is one of the worst things to happen in wrestling. It does nothing but promote lazy booking.
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So apparently we're close to her, but yet so far away....

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The guaranteed rematch clause is one of the worst things to happen in wrestling. It does nothing but promote lazy booking.
Off topic (kinda) Rybacks countless rematches with Punk killed his momentum.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:15 AM   #410
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Charlotte was pretty awesome tonight, why are they passing that title back and forth so quickly for?
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:16 AM   #411
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Yeah, I actually thought the way they got out of the HIAC match was perfect. Kept Ryback looking like a beast, kept the title on Punk AND got the undefeated streak out of the way. There was no need to keep him in the title picture after that and fuck up his momentum.
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It used to be that the feud would end once the babyface won the title. But now in the land of guaranteed rematch clauses, you're always going to get the heel demanding their rematch only to chicken out of having it that night. So the feud arbitrarily carries on another month even though the big moment people wanted to see already happened.

It's reached the point where it feels like a plot hole if somebody DOESN'T get a rematch.
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Old 11-29-2016, 01:36 PM   #413
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Just watched this..... RAW goes much faster when you fast forward through 90% of it. Who knew?

Pretty much watched:
- Chris Jericho/Kevin Owens mic time (but skipped through the Owens/Reigns match)
- Braun Strowman match aftermath with Sami Zayn
- Women's match(es).
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Old 11-29-2016, 01:38 PM   #414
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Really weird how they keep the title going back and forth..... thought Charlotte was getting ready to move onto Bayley as a challenger now, and would have beat Sasha tonight.

Also "weird" how Smackdown made Becky Lynch/Alexa Bliss a no DQ match and "hyped" that as "historic" but then on RAW they are just like "whatever let's have a no DQ falls count anywhere match"
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Oh yeah, also watched Paul Heyman and also Cesaro & Sheamus segment.


Paul Heyman doing his best to spin this into gold.... I do like the idea of "a Brock Lesnar with something to prove" making him even more dangerous than before.....

Would be cool if they did a bunch of "training montages" with Lesnar building up to the Rumble.... maybe include Carl Weathers talking about how he needs to get back that "eye of the tiger".......
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Wouldn't shock me if they make Goldberg and Lesnar the actual #1 and #2 entrants for the Rumble now. They could try to one-up each other via tearing through the first few schmucks who enter the Rumble match.
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Or they just single-handedly eliminate everyone else in quick fashion
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Dude who changes those things is probably like "Ugh, dammit, leave me alone already"
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off topic a bit Do they do anything to the IC belt at all when people win it ? It doesn't have a nameplate or custom plates that Ive seen.
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• Raw begins with a three minute recap of last weeks main event. If that wasn't bad enough, then the opening promo was around fifteen minutes, which was then followed by a backstage segment which was around two minutes, meaning that we waited around twenty minutes for a match to start and when it did, it was a thirty-seven second squash match.

Seriously, who looked at that and thought "Yeah, that's great. Go with it!"?

That's abysmal.

What made it worse was that we were then treated to "Shouty Mick", which is probably the worst Mick. Mick Foley getting pissy when people say he's under Stephanie's thumb and all that is stupid. Foley doesn't like it when you basically tell him that he's Stephanie's bitch, but in a way, he kinda is. Stephanie is his boss. She controls him to an extent. What his boss says, goes. So whenever Foley bitches when people say stuff like that, it's just stupid and makes Foley looks like a retard for getting pissy at people that are basically stating facts, albeit not in the nicest of ways.

To end this on a positive note, I really like Strowman using the Running Powerslam as a finisher. It's such a good move and it's perfect for him. It also always reminds me of The British Bulldog, which is always good.

• Why is Alicia Fox involved in anything to do with The Cruiserweight Division? She should be off trying to win the Women's Championship, not be in love with Cedric Alexander.

I still think he needs a new theme though and some charisma wouldn't go a miss.

I like that Tony Nese won though. I'm really liking the team of Nese and Gulak. It feels really natural and just makes me think that maybe The Cruiserweight Division should have its own Tag Team Championships, but another set of titles would probably be far too much, considering the WWE currently has around twelve championships all-together.

• So Jericho and Rollins had a fight in a parking lot. I feel the chance of a parking lot brawl happening at Roadblock is now that little bit more greater.

• Women's Championship Match: Round 1 - Fun Fact: The referee's 10-count lasted 98 seconds (1 min 38 sec).

• It's probably because of how Raw began but times and promo lengths are jumping out at me tonight. Enzo & Cass were on the mic for just over three minutes. All so we can see Enzo get kicked in the balls twenty-five seconds later.

I said it last week, but I really hope this doesn't lead to Lana falling in love with Enzo, all because she saw his penis.

• "Hey Mark, you're a big movie star now. Let's take a look at a clip of you in action!"

*Clip is Mark Henry getting his ass handed to him*

What?

• Oh good, more Cruiserweights. Rich Swann is alright. He's growing on me but I liked him better when he didn't talk. I don't know why.

As for Dar, he's really boring and there's something about his face and general appearance that I find really annoying.

The Brian Kendrick is just so good no matter what he's doing. I'd love to see him retain against Swann but I feel that won't happen. I think Swann will get a "shock win", only to lose it back to Kendrick at Roadblock.

• Cesaro & Sheamus in a strange bar fight segment. I don't know what it is with Sheamus and segments that contain strange camera angles. So now that they've beaten up people in a bar, does that mean they'll work together and win the titles?

I genuinely think so.

• I skipped the Owens/Reigns match.

• So Xavier cheats again to retain the titles. I can really see New Day (Big E & Kofi) losing the titles on Raw now, just two days before they break the record and Xavier going apeshit at them and turning on them.

• Sasha wins the title again. Whoop dee doo. So how long now before Charlotte wins it back?

Personally, I just really wish someone else would be in the title scene with Charlotte. I'm just not a fan of Sasha Banks at all. I find everything about her to be terrible.

• Overall, Raw was really bad this week. I had hope after last weeks Raw, which was actually pretty decent, but it seems like we're just back to the usual now.

Raw being the B-Show but acting like the A-Show, and SmackDown being the A-Show but keeping quiet about it, even though it knows it's the A-Show.
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I would support this idea if it wasn't already a given that brock vs lesnar 3 will be at mania. If they put them 2 in the rumble first and the rumble itself doubles as their blow off match then I say go for it. Have them be the first 2 in and last 2 remaining.
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Lets rehash that feud
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I pretty much agree with Cool King's assessment.

Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn apparently want the WWE to be seen as legitimate television. The thing about that is that WWE breaks so many laws of television constantly. That whole opening segment with Kevin Owens, Chris Jericho and Roman Reigns was redundant. You could have opened with Sasha Banks addressing the WWE Universe via the screen -- challening Charlotte to make tonight's Women's Title match Falls Count Anywhere -- done the RAW intro, then started with Braun Strowman vs. R-Truth and cut right to the fucking chase.

As Dark One said -- RAW would have been great if it was a 45 minute show.
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Old 11-29-2016, 07:42 PM   #426
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Sasha Banks is a terrible babyface, by the way. She's over, that much is for sure, but her smiling nice girl act is disgusting.
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Old 11-30-2016, 10:48 AM   #427
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Yeah Sasha works way better as a heel. Hopefully she will go that route soon enough when she is challenged by Bayley.
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