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Old 05-06-2010, 08:59 AM   #1
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* Iron Man vs. Magneto would probably be the most one-sided fight ever. Unless Tony has some Plastic Armor, he's more or less wearing his own coffin into battle.

* Battle of the most ridiculously over-powered concepts EVER: Green-Lantern Batman vs. Red-Lantern Hulk.

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Old 05-06-2010, 12:26 PM   #2
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Magneto has realistically the most powerful ability outside of telekinesis or telepathy, he would ruin most guys that come up against him in all honestly.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:27 PM   #3
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* Battle of the most ridiculously over-powered concepts EVER: Green-Lantern Batman vs. Red-Lantern Hulk.
Then Superman comes by, he is pretty much over-powered as is.
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Old 05-06-2010, 12:39 PM   #4
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* Iron Man vs. Magneto would probably be the most one-sided fight ever. Unless Tony has some Plastic Armor, he's more or less wearing his own coffin into battle.
Yeah, but bad guys are dumb. Magneto's pretty fucking powerful, but he only thought to de-adamantium Wolverine after nearly 30 years? He'd probably bat Stark around for a while, until the second act, where Stark would triumph anyway.

Pretty much anyone versus Magento would be one-sided. You know, if comics were written with sense in mind, instead of archetypical stories that suspend disbelief.

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Old 05-06-2010, 12:54 PM   #5
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Yeah, Cosmic Boy from the Legion of Super-Heroes pretty much has the same powers as Magneto but has NEVER been portrayed as that powerful.

Probably because then there wouldn't be anything for the other 573 members of the Legion to do.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:14 PM   #6
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Magneto has realistically the most powerful ability outside of telekinesis or telepathy, he would ruin most guys that come up against him in all honestly.
Not even close. Anyone not wearing metal, or not in an area full of metal objects, would beat the shit out of Magneto. Without that advantage he's an old man in a red body glove.

That's not even counting superheroes who are immune to anything he can throw at them. What's he going to do against Superman, or Hulk, or hundreds of other superheroes who are immune to conventional projectiles? Throw metal scraps at them? The best he can do is throw a tank or something.
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Not even close. Anyone not wearing metal, or not in an area full of metal objects, would beat the shit out of Magneto. Without that advantage he's an old man in a red body glove.

That's not even counting superheroes who are immune to anything he can throw at them. What's he going to do against Superman, or Hulk, or hundreds of other superheroes who are immune to conventional projectiles? Throw metal scraps at them? The best he can do is throw a tank or something.
So why would magneto be so dumb as to be lured to a place where there isn't metal. And outside the unfairly invicible supers, Magneto pretty much has a trump card.
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:37 PM   #9
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Sentinels made of plastic can handle Magneto
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Old 05-06-2010, 01:51 PM   #10
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I've always hated the idea of using plastic weapons as Magneto's foil. It is so stupid, plastics techinology is no where near that point, nor do I think it ever will be.

Now ceramics on the other hand is already here. Ceramic knives are sharper than metal knives. Ceramic armour for tanks exist, and when layered with with kevlar is stronger than metal armor. So a ceramic Sentinel would be much more realistic.
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No they can't. He could use metal objects to impale them/damage them.
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No they can't. He could use metal objects to impale them/damage them.
Or they would break under the stresses of just moving.
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I've always hated the idea of using plastic weapons as Magneto's foil. It is so stupid, plastics techinology is no where near that point, nor do I think it ever will be.
The Marvel Universe's level of technology is presented as above our own (and above the DC Universe).

They've got flying cars, robot decoy people, flying hellicarriers...

Not to mention half the stuff that Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and Tony Stark make.
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I know. But plastics as strong as metals are just not possible. I just have a hard time buying that.
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Not even close. Anyone not wearing metal, or not in an area full of metal objects, would beat the shit out of Magneto. Without that advantage he's an old man in a red body glove.

That's not even counting superheroes who are immune to anything he can throw at them. What's he going to do against Superman, or Hulk, or hundreds of other superheroes who are immune to conventional projectiles? Throw metal scraps at them? The best he can do is throw a tank or something.
Magneto has shown, depending on his dramatically varying level of power this week, the ability to manipulate the iron at the base level of the human blood stream--thus slowing down the flow of blood to the brain and suffocating people.

He has deflected blows from a Captain Universe with the strength of his shield.

His shielding has withstood nukes, and blasts from the Phoenix.

He can reverse gravity up to 500 feet from himself.

He can open up the earth and create god damn volcanoes.

He can amplify his own strength and durability to class 100 levels, to the extent that he's broken out of Hercules' grasp, knocked out Rogue with a single punch, and taken full blasts from Bishop and keep going.

And I can dig up full panel scans of all of this shit, if need be. Magneto is a fucking monster.

Nevermind that even one, single iota of metal--a belt buckle or an earring or your car keys--can easily be enough to murder the shit out of you if he makes it go fast enough (and he can).
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yeah, come on. magneto is ruthless. his magnetic forces alone will ruin your shit, much less if there's any metal about. if he was really stuck he could always shape his helmet into whatever lethal thing he wanted since if he was fighting hulk or superman, he is not going to be terribly worried about mind control.

also, this is the man who - in two separate continuities - has ripped the adamantium straight from wolverine's bones.
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yeah, come on. magneto is ruthless. his magnetic forces alone will ruin your shit, much less if there's any metal about. if he was really stuck he could always shape his helmet into whatever lethal thing he wanted since if he was fighting hulk or superman, he is not going to be terribly worried about mind control.

also, this is the man who - in two separate continuities - has ripped the adamantium straight from wolverine's bones.
He has ripped cable apart too, correct? I think he did a number on Colossus as well. Metal can be found everywhere on earth, plus the magnetic fields on earth are all over. He is pretty much a God.
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but what about all of the other superheroes that are depicted as having near godly powers. How is his power greater than that of Superman or others?
The powers of heroes are brought to whatever level they can be by the writers. Magneto is a powerhouse of the character, so they find ways for him to do those things.
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Hulk has infinite potential, because his power increases exponentially as he gets angry. If something is stopping him, he just gets angrier and more and more powerful
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Magneto is incredible, don't get me wrong. I just think he's manageable if you have metal out of the equation. But apparently there are ways to link everything to metal, so fair enough.
I think that's more deus ex machina by the writers, since he's the main villain of the Xmen universe and easily one of the greatest comic characters of alltime.
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but what about all of the other superheroes that are depicted as having near godly powers. How is his power greater than that of Superman or others?
The powers of heroes are brought to whatever level they can be by the writers. Magneto is a powerhouse of the character, so they find ways for him to do those things.
I don't think anyone's going to argue that Mags can take Superman, Dr. Manhattan, Silver Surfer, Thor, or any other of the "high tiers"--but anybody street level on down, from Luke Cage to Tony Stark to Captain America to Batman are going to get the ever loving dog shit whipped out of them if they don't do some serious, ridiculous planning ahead of time. Magneto is approaching the "unstoppable" type characters like Dr. Strange and Juggernaut, and on a good day can even fuck some of THOSE guys up.
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How many times has magneto lost his powers?
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Hulk has infinite potential, because his power increases exponentially as he gets angry. If something is stopping him, he just gets angrier and more and more powerful
Also, for as often as this statement gets tossed around in comic book argument circles it's bordering on utter bullshit. Human anger has finite limits, and Hulk does not automatically reach newfound plateaus of rage just for failing. Unless the Hulk's opponent murdered his wife or talked shit about his football team or something, Hulk's anger will cap off and his power will hit a peak somewhere. Any situation where the Hulk isn't directly emotionally invested is a dangerous situation for the Hulk, because he's only going to get so frustrated over not winning yet--and scenarios like that (where it's just a random dude) are the times when, say, the Juggernaut has taken the Hulk down.
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But that's what I was talking about. I disagreed with the notion of Magneto having the most powerful ability of anyone.
I was really pointing out that metal is his bread and butter, and calling him an old guy in a suit to make a point. I meant that if he got into a situation where he was going toe to toe with a lot of other superheroes, and couldn't implement his power, he'd be fucked.
I love the character.
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How many times has magneto lost his powers?
I think the X-Gene deactivates on holidays.
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So I was reading Magneto's wikipedia page and it said something about Cyclops getting angry at him for helping the Atlanteans and giving them a new home.

Why is cyclops a dick?
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Sums up the batman lantern concept nicely


my question is who thought that was a good idea?

Ive always thought "Batman has to be a mortal" giving him anything else would be far too much

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So I was reading Magneto's wikipedia page and it said something about Cyclops getting angry at him for helping the Atlanteans and giving them a new home.

Why is cyclops a dick?
Cyclops is worthless if someone pokes his eyes out
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Sums up the batman lantern concept nicely


my question is who thought that was a good idea?

Ive always thought "Batman has to be a mortal" giving him anything else would be far too much



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I've always been a bit of a mark for seeing various characters get the symbiote suits or Green Lantern ring.
It's a total gimmick, but it's interesting to see.

It's cool to see powers that can be transferred to others through possession of an object. Especially if the person who gets said powers is already superpowered.
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I know. But plastics as strong as metals are just not possible. I just have a hard time buying that.
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Not even close. Anyone not wearing metal, or not in an area full of metal objects, would beat the shit out of Magneto. Without that advantage he's an old man in a red body glove.
God, he's pinned people with the iron in their blood.

Though Batman could whoop his ass.
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I've always been a bit of a mark for seeing various characters get the symbiote suits or Green Lantern ring.
It's a total gimmick, but it's interesting to see.

It's cool to see powers that can be transferred to others through possession of an object. Especially if the person who gets said powers is already superpowered.
I enjoyed the recent Ms. Marvel as Venom
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Wrong.



God, he's pinned people with the iron in their blood.

Though Batman could whoop his ass.

Put a role call out for anemic superheroes
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Also, for as often as this statement gets tossed around in comic book argument circles it's bordering on utter bullshit. Human anger has finite limits, and Hulk does not automatically reach newfound plateaus of rage just for failing. Unless the Hulk's opponent murdered his wife or talked shit about his football team or something, Hulk's anger will cap off and his power will hit a peak somewhere. Any situation where the Hulk isn't directly emotionally invested is a dangerous situation for the Hulk, because he's only going to get so frustrated over not winning yet--and scenarios like that (where it's just a random dude) are the times when, say, the Juggernaut has taken the Hulk down.
Hence why Red Lantern Hulk would be epically over-powered.
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I meant that if he got into a situation where he was going toe to toe with a lot of other superheroes, and couldn't implement his power, he'd be fucked.
Couldn't you say that about every superhero!?
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You could say that about every superhero but not every superhero's power is based of manipulating one substance? You get what I'm saying here?
I realize his powers extend deeper than I originally gave them credit, but for the most part they depend on having metal around him to work with.
This isn't a problem in any of the comics or movies, because the writers put that stuff at his disposal.
Other superheroes have powers that aren't conditional on environment. The only way they wouldn't be able to implement their power is if they had an achillies heel, like Superman's kryptonite.
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