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Old 02-11-2010, 12:33 AM   #281
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Yeah looking forward to that..

Every season we get the backstory of someone important who has been in it a while, yet we know nothing about.

Season 2 > Desmond
Season 3 > Ben
Season 5 > Jacob/MIB

Be good to see him arrive on The Black Rock in those chains.
Honestly, I still wonder if he was talking about the chains metaphorically. As in, he just killed Jacob.. so perhaps Richard is no longer immortal. 'Unbound' from his chains, so to speak.
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:36 AM   #282
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MIB has some form of power over death.

He has appeared seemingly as the 2 dead bodies brought to the island. And those who died on the island he has "claimed"
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Old 02-11-2010, 12:59 AM   #283
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Ok JUST THOUGHT OF THIS: What if MIB/Smoke Monster is at Jacob's bidding, and it is really Jacob who's interested in judging these people, then offing them if they don't meet his standards? Seems pretty dick of Jacob to bring all these people to the island with the knowledge that many will die
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Old 02-11-2010, 08:34 AM   #284
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I am just going to make a small theory.

If you freeze frame anytime with the smoke monster, you will see someones face in it somewhere.

I think this may be

1) Souls of the dead
2) Memories of the dead
3) Both of the above
4) Anger of the dead
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Old 02-11-2010, 10:41 AM   #285
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I am just going to make a small theory.

If you freeze frame anytime with the smoke monster, you will see someones face in it somewhere.

I think this may be

1) Souls of the dead
2) Memories of the dead
3) Both of the above
4) Anger of the dead
Well, when smokey faced off with Eko in season 2 in the jungle, the pictures/faces of people inside the cloud were images of Eko's life, his past. The monster has the ability to see into the lives of anyone it want seemingly.
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:03 PM   #286
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Well, when smokey faced off with Eko in season 2 in the jungle, the pictures/faces of people inside the cloud were images of Eko's life, his past. The monster has the ability to see into the lives of anyone it want seemingly.
Correct, however isnt Eko dead on the island?
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Old 02-11-2010, 03:59 PM   #287
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Old 02-11-2010, 05:12 PM   #288
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If you couldnt understand that I think the smoke monster is the embodiment of souls of everyone who has died on the island, I dont know how else I could explain it BK.
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Old 02-11-2010, 06:37 PM   #289
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Think you're a little off there, FA.

Well, maybe not off but you seem to be reading into something that others are understanding differently i.e. the images seen in the Smoke Monster.

From what we have seen (in the aforementioned scene with Eko and also when it "judges" Ben under the temple) the images we see in the Smoke are images from the person's past and therefore the things that they are being "judged" on. Ben sees all of the things leading up to the death of Alex for instance.

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Ok JUST THOUGHT OF THIS: What if MIB/Smoke Monster is at Jacob's bidding, and it is really Jacob who's interested in judging these people, then offing them if they don't meet his standards? Seems pretty dick of Jacob to bring all these people to the island with the knowledge that many will die
On that line of thinking, I was having a few thoughts about the temple and the cabin.

We have been lead to believe that the cabin belonged to Jacob (by Ben and Illana pretty much confirmed it when she said "He hasn't been here for a long time"). In addition, when we saw the French guys during one of the flashes the Smoke Monster tries to drag one of them under the temple and that's where Ben goes to get "judged".

We see that the cabin is surrounded by ash and that the Others at the temple begin to use the ash to protect them from the Smoke Monster.

The presumption is that the circle of ash around the cabin was to protect Jacob, but why would Jacob need protecting from Smokey if he can't be hurt or at least killed by it? Is it more likely that the ash was to keep something from getting out?

Perhaps the temple belongs to the Smoke Monster? Perhaps Jacob took control of the temple and banished Smokey/MIB to the cabin? Perhaps we do have it backwards and Jacob isn't the good guy?

Is Jacob using MIB/Smokey to do his biding? Is MIB being kept there against his will? Is that why he wants it all to end so that he can go "home"?
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So, Jacob is Willy Wonka. The Crash was his golden tickets, and he's looking for the one person willing to take over his role.

Jacob: I don't want to run this Island forever Charlie, and I really don't like feel like trying. Oh wait a second Charlie, you died, you blew up the Station that needs to be washed and sterilized! So, you lose, GOOD DAY SIR.........I SAID GOOD DAY!

The winner gets a lifetime supply of unanswered questions...

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Old 02-17-2010, 06:55 AM   #291
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So in this alternate timeline, Helen mentions Lockes dad coming to their wedding so you would assume they are on good terms. If that's the case I wonder how John ended up in the chair.
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Old 02-17-2010, 07:42 AM   #292
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"The universe has a way of course correcting" Desmond.

It was probably his mom who pushed him off.

I was really suprised that we saw Helen at all. I thought her being dead in the real storyline was some sort of thing about Katey Segal not wanting to be in it.
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So in this alternate timeline, Helen mentions Lockes dad coming to their wedding so you would assume they are on good terms. If that's the case I wonder how John ended up in the chair.
the boss guy was calling him by a military term so im qassuming he was a soldier
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:45 PM   #294
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He called him that in Season 1 and we see him playing a war board game on his lunch break, Randy was taking the piss. Of course, in our alternate timeline he may very well have been a soldier.

At this point we don't know if we'll see the characters pre-flight stories so we may never know.
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:47 PM   #295
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Really feeling like MIB isn't quite as much of a villain as we might think. Think he's more of a gray area. Unless flat out everything he told Sawyer was a lie.

Also betting that the ghostly kid is Jacob's son.
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I thought ghost kid was Jacob reincarnated by the island or something
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Aaron? I mean, he would be 4 or 5 by now, and he's blonde - and that kid also looked a LOT like Claire
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He'd only be 3 surely, 3 years since they left the island after a little over 100 days on the island
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Ogen's right on this one.
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when Locke threw the light stone into the water and said something of "it's an inside joke" my thought immediately went back to this scene

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Think the main thing about Flocke seeing the kid was that it was that it reminded people of something bigger at play that everyone seems to have fogotten - The Eyeland IS a character. All the little weird things and coincidences are attributed to something bigger at work than simply Jacob and the MIB. The Eyeland is reminding MIB that there are rules, and whatever game/situation the series is leading too, it's got something to do with the remaining survivors as being possible candidates. I think Ben and Widmore were candidates, but like MIB stated in season 5, 'they come, they destroy, the corrupt'. Hurley, Jack, Kate, Sun, Jin, Sawyer and Locke are Jacob's A team.

Even though Locke is dead, after seeing that episode, I just got this hella crazy John Locke type feeling that in the alternate timeline, Locke is going to call Jack, get his legs fixed, and end up back on the Island with the rest of them.

Thought the 'inside' joke pretty good. Like how it illustrates the 'dark' side is currently outweighing the 'light' side.

Very good episode.

Cannot wait to find out Richard/Jacob/MIB's stories.
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He'd only be 3 surely, 3 years since they left the island after a little over 100 days on the island
Hmm just had a thought though. Don't children age differently on the island?

Like, when super-grown up Walt showed up or whatever. I don't really remember the specifics of all of that
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I just realized how awesome walt and michael were
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Fuck Michael and Walt, Desmond is the best character yet to fully come back.
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Holy shit, just thought of something. Since walt and michael are off the island do you think its possible he meet up with the losties and tell them what happened? As he would still know what happened.
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What? I don't get what you are saying.

Desmond is off-island in one reality, and off-island in the other. He can't tell the Losties what happened in the real reality because he cannot get back, unless he talks with Faraday's mother I guess. And in the other reality, well, it never happened.
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The things they keep showing aren't happening in the same timeline as the things on the island. They are more flashsideways, than flashbacks or flashforwards.
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I'd give up if you can't figure that out lol
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Hmm just had a thought though. Don't children age differently on the island?

Like, when super-grown up Walt showed up or whatever. I don't really remember the specifics of all of that
The specifics were that real life actor walt grew the fuck up. Simple as that.
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the boss guy was calling him by a military term so im qassuming he was a soldier
He called him that in the normal timeline too. Cause him and another loser would play some war board game on lunch break.

I like alternate Hugos confidence.
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He called him that in the normal timeline too. Cause him and another loser would play some war board game on lunch break.

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well im assuming locke's past was different
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The entire reality is different, with similarities. It's not just a matter of the plane never crashing, its about the bomb going off, the Island sinking, and everything that happened after that in a butterfly effect fashion.
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Never thought of the fact that Locke could have become a cripple in a different way in the alternate reality.
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Well lates say no island, no jacob altering their lives....

Kate shouldnt be a thief, Sawyer wouldnt be a bitter...him, and in theory Locke should be dead after his crippling fall.

I think it is a cop out to change their lives other than the events from the plane on, and perhaps where they were touched by Jacob.
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It's the bomb being detonated in the 70's that is what changed everything.

Pretty sure the bomb sunk the Island, which means from when the bomb went off, onwards; DHARMA, The Island, the people who would've come and gone, and their butterfly effect on the world - it all leads up and equals this distinct and different reality.

I don't really like it either, but hey.
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Something I noticed while rewatching the last episode today.

Helen tells Locke 'with your father' when talking about the wedding or something I believe. Could this mean that his father is alive, and is not at odds with him?

Could this mean he maybe didn't lose his legs the same way?

Also, I'm not so sure Kate is locked up for the same thing. Or at least, maybe she's not as guilty of a party this time around.
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Yes his father is prob alive, and yeah everything is different. It's the same with everyone, parts of their original story are now going to be similar, totally changed or twisted in some other way.

Really want to know the deal with Desmond. Either his story is totally different and maybe a lil happier, OR something different - like he still maybe 'unique' in the sense that still turning that fail-safe key, BACK in the original past, it still makes him special with regard to time travel/cause and effect/what he can remember. I got this feeling that he vanished on the plane in the first episode because he is still travelling randomly through time.

Regardless, in the new timeline if that is not true, did he STILL end up going on his boat race? what happened when he did and the storm he was in forced him to the island? or simply where it would be if it wasn't submerged?
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What I mean is I think Michael and Walt are in the timeline that is off the island and will eventually meet up with one of the people who were still on the island when he left.
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Well we can be pretty certain they're not going to show Walt in that timeline as the actor is a lot older than his age would be on the show.

Also what's your point? It's a different timeline, if say Michael bumped into Hurley or Locke or whoever he wouldn't know him. Same way Hurley and Locke didn't know eachother.
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