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Old 08-10-2011, 10:39 AM   #41
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The latest episode is the "quickest" I remember a 41-42 minute show passing by because I was "engrossed". When Mike and Jessie are driving down the road and the show ends, I was amazed/disappointed that there wasn't another 10-15 minutes left.
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Do you think Skyler is going to be what ends up saving Walt from Gus? I could see her coming up with some brilliant plan all of a sudden, or actually speaking with Gus face to face and changing everything.
Let's not forget that the Mexican Cartel is still lurking. I could actually see Skyler making some kind of deal with them down the line to take out Gus in exchange for them sparing her family or something.
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The latest episode is the "quickest" I remember a 41-42 minute show passing by because I was "engrossed". When Mike and Jessie are driving down the road and the show ends, I was amazed/disappointed that there wasn't another 10-15 minutes left.
Like you said before, this is the perfect show to watch in one big block. Just spend a weekend laid back drinking, smoking out and ordering food. Problem is, it's too good to not watch week to week.
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:41 PM   #44
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Finally got to watch the most recent episode... pretty unbelievable stuff. First of all, I knew Mike was a bad ass, but this last episode really pushed that to the limit. Mike is not to be fucked with.

I really like what they're doing with Skylar. It makes you wonder how well Walt really knew her after all. I mean, if she's this willing to go this far, why the hell didn't he tell her about this whole operation a long time ago? She's the perfect partner for him. I guess it just plays into his whole thing about not wanting help from anyone.

The end is probably the best cliffhanger BB has had since Walt and Jesse found themselves in a car with Tuco at the end of Season 1. I can't wait to find out where this goes. I can't believe Jesse is going to die, as, like someone else said, he JUST won an Emmy and they're not going to get rid of his character in the 5th episode of the new season. There's also no way he's killing Mike - another extremely important and engaging character to the story.

The ending reminds me of Mike's story about when he was a cop from "Half Measures." He takes this guy out into the middle of nowhere and threatens him with his life to stop beating up on his girlfriend, but then the guy killed her the following week anyways. At that point Mike decided no more half measures. Is it possible that Mike is going to threaten Jesse in a similar fashion? The fact that Jesse clearly doesn't care anymore - about his money, about his job or about his life - is obvious to everyone, including Mike, so he can't really think that threatening to kill Jesse will do anything. I think they could take it another direction and maybe Mike threatens to hurt Jesse's family, his little brother or his parents, if he keeps fucking up. If you can't get to the kid's mind, maybe Mike can get to his heart.

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I wonder if Mike won't just sit down and have a serious talk about what Jessie did. Maybe he realizes he's never killed anyone like that. Who knows what Mike was like earlier in his life.. he couldn't have always been this cold blooded. Maybe he's just taking him out to show him something important.
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Old 08-12-2011, 08:46 AM   #46
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Yeah, Mike is not a monster. Seems like an ex-cop or ex-military who is just used to violence. I don't know if I see Skyler saving Walt from Gus. She knows he cooks meth but doesn't know about a lot of things. She seems pretty clean compared to Walt, like she doesn't yet "get" it. In that regard I wouldn't think she's in a position to save him, but who knows.
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I wonder if Mike won't just sit down and have a serious talk about what Jessie did. Maybe he realizes he's never killed anyone like that. Who knows what Mike was like earlier in his life.. he couldn't have always been this cold blooded. Maybe he's just taking him out to show him something important.
This scene from last season makes me feel differently.

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Old 08-15-2011, 04:33 AM   #50
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Old 08-15-2011, 01:06 PM   #51
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Was Skyler still sleeping with Ted before she asked Walt to move back in? I remember the scene in the bed room where Walt asked about the smell of the sheets and she said it was a new fabric softener and then he seemed to lose it after seeing the Beneke coffee cup.
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just been renewed for a 16 episode final season
While I'm sad that there's only going to be one more, I do like the fact that, like "The Wire", they have a plan for where the show is going and how it's going to end. It's not going to be some bullshit situation where they invent new storylines just to keep the show going for ratings (I'm looking at you, "LOST").
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LOST had an ending planned from the start, what are you talking about? I'm sure there were stories in there that they didn't intend from the start, and they had to change details as they went because of casting issues, or stories simply not able to be panned out as they planned, but the show had a direction from the start. If anything, they only suffered because of a badly timed writer's strike.
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Also, I'll be sad to see this show end, but I hope that knowing its ending point allows them to fill the final season with epicness.

My only question - will Walt die of cancer, be killed by his decisions, or go to prison? Those finishes will either justify his actions, or vilify him.
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It is my opinion that the end of the series pretty much has to have Walt dying in some way.

Jesse lives on.
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LOST had an ending planned from the start, what are you talking about? I'm sure there were stories in there that they didn't intend from the start, and they had to change details as they went because of casting issues, or stories simply not able to be panned out as they planned, but the show had a direction from the start. If anything, they only suffered because of a badly timed writer's strike.
I find this really hard to believe, Req. I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could, which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere, development of characters with absolutely no pay-off, pointless filler episodes, and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series. While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.
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Also, I'll be sad to see this show end, but I hope that knowing its ending point allows them to fill the final season with epicness.

My only question - will Walt die of cancer, be killed by his decisions, or go to prison? Those finishes will either justify his actions, or vilify him.
I want to believe that he's going to end up right back where he started at the beginning of season 1 somehow - dying of lung cancer, unable to financially support his family, unrecognized as a great scientist (or even as "the great Heisenberg") and filled with regrets. And then he dies of the cancer.

I think it'd be the best way to end the series. It would really push the point that no matter what, "breaking bad" is not the way to get ahead in life, and that Walter's real problems have always been his massive ego.
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I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could,
Lost had a general idea from the conception of the show. It wasn't until the break between season 1 and 2 when Lindelof and Cuse sat down with Abrams to flesh out the entire story.

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development of characters with absolutely no pay-off,
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pointless filler episodes,
Not true. While certain characters that were only meant for a few episodes were written to become regulars of the show, those episodes extended their development and they meshed into the show flawlessly. I would argue that there were only 2 episodes of Lost that were crap. Everything else had a reason.

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While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.
If I were to believe that then they wouldn't have shown the last 3 season in 16 straight weeks. If they were in it for the money they would have started the season in September and shown repeats during the breaks.

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I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.
I am also glad that the writers of Breaking Bad have a concept and planned ending to reach in an allotted time as the writers of Lost did.
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I want to believe that he's going to end up right back where he started at the beginning of season 1 somehow - dying of lung cancer, unable to financially support his family, unrecognized as a great scientist (or even as "the great Heisenberg") and filled with regrets. And then he dies of the cancer.

I think it'd be the best way to end the series. It would really push the point that no matter what, "breaking bad" is not the way to get ahead in life, and that Walter's real problems have always been his massive ego.
Based on the last episode, I see Jesse straightening up and being groomed by Mike and Gus to take over operations and there might be a final confrontation with him and Walt.

I can't help but feel like between now and the end of the series a major character close to Walt like Skyler or his son is going to end up killed and that is going to be the beginning of the end for one side or the other.
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I find this really hard to believe, Req. I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could, which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere, development of characters with absolutely no pay-off, pointless filler episodes, and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series. While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.
It's not hard to believe. It's fact. They KNEW the ending, and Mathew Fox was the only character on the show who had read the ending.

Also, what RoXer said. Have you ever actually read, in detail, the LOST wiki? There is such an absurd amount of detail (and yes, SOME unanswered questions, which are completely unimportant in the grand scheme of things). But the amount of questions that were answered, or things that were purposely left to speculate on, are in the hundreds, if not thousands.

This show could not have finished in 3 seasons. Guarantee it, so I do not believe wherever you supposedly 'heard' that from, as this is literally the first time I ever heard that it was supposed to be 3 seasons, and I spent countless hours upon hours reading into this show.

Some 'person' telling you this or whatever, does not evidence make. Sounds to me like you are simply disappointed with its ending, and thus think a large portion of the content was filler. But from the perspective of someone who very much loved the ending, (it grew on me, as I was left a bit underwhelmed at first), I see that the content of this show had every bit of a purpose.

Probably the only characters that were developed with no payoff, were Walt, whom simply aged and the writers were unable to tie up properly. (He still had a major role in the story) And then those 2 diamond schmucks, whom the audience hated so much that the writers simply wrote them out. There was also an issue with Anna Lucia's character because she got in trouble off-set, so they had to write her out as well IIRC.

You say filler episodes, and I'm sure there were a couple.. but there was never a single episode that didn't tie in in some way to what was going on. Something that happened, was meant to make you think/ponder and tie it to the events.

Seriously, browse the LOST wiki, or simply watch this show again from a new perspective. I have seen all the episodes about 3 times now, and while it wasn't the perfect show, it was incredible, and there will never be anything like it again, and that saddens me.
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Also, every single one of the MAIN characters, were tied up beautifully. Some of the 'side' characters didn't serve a role in the ending, but they served their purpose during the life of the show. But ALL of the main characters' stories were tied up at the end.
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At the same time, I can see where she is coming from

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She -is- going to take a lot of shit from her son, but she is more serious about treating this discreetly than Walt is. But wtf was up with the coin flip? She trying to figure out where she wants to run off to or what? I mean, she was obviously a bit freaked out when Walt went on his little rant about him being the one doing the knocking (Which was coming, sooner or later, I felt. She just kept downplaying what he did, and almost insulting the amount of effort he had put into his new job.)
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She finds out her unemployed, cancer stricken husband is cooking meth so his family has enough money to survive when he dies and reacts by fucking her boss and kicking him out of his own house.

Granted, Walt's recent actions were a bit off but I think that goes to further the storyline of him losing it.
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I think if she does eventually bite it, not likely, Walt will end up like this:
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Feel like you are watching a different show or something. Like, in no way have they made Walt out to be a hero, IMO. He started as a cancer stricken man doing this to provide for his family, but he has gone way beyond that. He is addicted to who he has become.
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He is the hero of the story, sure, but he has legit murdered people, and ordered people to be murdered. And let's not forget he is making METH, one of the hands down worst hard drugs you could do. Walt himself said without him, a business large enough to be on the NASDAQ would go under instantly. I like this story because it shows the changes this family man has gone through due to the circumstances he was put through, but it shows the dark side of it all. Not because it is following the life of this 'hero' who is put on a pedestal or anything.

That's why I think he will not die of cancer. Because the point of this show should not be to glorify his lifestyle choices, but instead to show that, as someone said, Breaking Bad only gives you problems. The sweetest ending for this whole thing would be for him to be completely cured of his cancer and for his decisions to lead to his death. It's predictable, sure. But it's poetic and would mean way more than any other ending, IMO.
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He has certainly taken a darker turn the past season and a half, but initially Walt was compelled to start cooking because of his dire circumstances and desire to support his family. He wasn't splurging on himself and tried to keep his cooking a secret early on. He didn't want notoriety or glory. The incident with Tuco ruined that. His actions are not heroic, but it is understandable from his perspective.

I'm just saying that you would think as his wife, Skyler would be more understanding considering the circumstances that led him to doing what he has and not react to the extent she has at times.

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To me, the show represents the slippery slope of drug dealing and does a great job of showing the perils and not glorifying it, but IMO Walt's still cooking is due to him falling down that slippery slope more so than being addicted to the lifestyle or power it brings.

I personally think Walt's actions over these past few episodes are more of him reacting to being vulnerable/treated like a victim/portrayed as weak minded more than being addicted to who he has become. Walt's more of an indentured servant than a partner. He gets played by his wife in the worst way with three simple words, "I fucked Ted," Gus owns him, Mike beat his ass despite Walt being armed and Jesse disrespects him constantly and seems to have a higher status than him or at least it's being made to seem that way (I don't think Jesse being called away and leaving Walt to clean up after the cook was coincidental).

His order to kill Gale was done primarily to keep him and Jesse alive, not to eliminate competition. He bought the gun, not to kill Gus and take over the meth empire, but because he saw Gus kill Mike's #2 man and felt that was his only way out of the bad situation.

The incident at dinner was brought about by being reminded of Skyler's affair, having to lie about being some lowly, weak gambling addict for pity from his in-laws, and hearing Hank somewhat praise Gale as a genius moments after Walt had to humble himself with that lie . The rant from this week was due to Skyler again making it seem like he was in over his head/ unable to cope with his situation.

I can understand why a guy who is floating a business that is large enough to be listed on NASDAQ would eventually grow to be resentful about being looked at as weak or a victim and having the shit kicked out of him by everyone around him.
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I get all that, but I -do- feel he is addicted to the life now. Think they have kinda hinted at that by how upset he gets when people talk about his 'addiction' (gambling). Don't think he gets angry because of the gambling lie. I think he gets angry because he doesn't want people to know just how addicted he really is. One of the old episodes, with him walking out to the parking lot to tell off those 2 amateurs, I think was one of the turning points for Walt. He wasn't happy with who he was, and he felt what it was like to be this different person. The show has followed his development to this mild mannered man who was always walked on and never got the respect he deserved, to -fighting- for respect and being a feared man.

That's why it pissed him off so much when his wife kept pushing the issue last episode. Like, he is pissed at always being looked down on, when he himself FEELS like he deserves more. Like he has put all this effort into creating a persona for himself that was so unlike what he used to be, that when he is spoken down to, it really infuriates him. But in this other world, he feels he is still better than all these druggies and gangs. I think he really feels that he is 'above' Gus, even though Gus is clearly in charge. That's why I think he's addicted to it. Because he won't stop until he actually IS better than these people. He had a chance to stop after he made a shit ton of money working for Gus, before he agreed to stay on for longer. I think he really could have walked away from it then. Before he burned bridges. But he is addicted to how this whole thing makes him feel. Like, he's been more alive while 'dying' than he has been his entire life.
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Like, he feels his choices are justified. He told their son that he stands by his decisions and that it wasn't an addiction. But I think that's because he doesn't want to admit it to himself.
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Really love this show. Don't think there's many shows on the air still that make you really think about the deeper impact and reasoning behind decisions that a character has made. The writers are fantastic. And he is a great actor to be able to create this kind of debate. Walt is just a really complicated character.
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I find this really hard to believe, Req. I've heard numerous stories that LOST was originally supposed to be 3 seasons, but due to the high ratings for the first one, they decided to extend it as far as they could, which led to the dozens of unanswered/pointless storylines that went nowhere, development of characters with absolutely no pay-off, pointless filler episodes, and an extremely convoluted and highly questionable ending to the series. While I recognize that the writer's strike had a large impact on the show, that doesn't change the fact that they basically whored out their concept for money.

I'm just saying that I'm glad Breaking Bad isn't going to suffer the same fate.
lol since when is trying to make money off of your hard work whoring yourself out?

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I must agree with Req though. From very early on in the series I think it has been shown that Walt enjoys "breaking bad" and is addicted to it.

I think the real interesting thing over the course of the show is Walt's descent into darkness, and his relationship with Jesse.

Jesse is nowhere near Walt's level. It almost seemed like at several points in the series that Jesse could have potentially have gone out of the business... but he is always pulled back in to it by Walt, and finds himself being dragged down by Walt ever further.

I mean, pretty much everything bad that has happened to Jesse, or his friends, has been because of Walt's greed for more money/power/respect. Culminating of course with Walt digging himself in such a hole that Jesse has to kill Gale for him. Which seems to have set Jesse off the the hinge.
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