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Old 05-06-2007, 02:51 AM   #121
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I hated the first two Spiderman movies and i havent seen this one yet, but i just think Toby McGuire is a horrible Spiderman. The guy that plays the Hobgoblin would have been much better. These Spiderman movies could have been so much better and they arent. The casts are horrible Kristen Dunst is brutal. The only good scene Kristen Dunst has had in these movies is the one where we can see her banana tits in the rain. Thats it. They should just pretend these movies never happend and start over.
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:45 AM   #122
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It was ok, I guess. The action was great, everything in between...not so much. Dark Peter and Bruce Campbell were hilarious, though. On par, or slightly below part 1 but doesn't touch part 2.

Felt like the X3 of the franchise, for sure. Entertaining but disappointing, as somene said above. 3/5
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:11 AM   #123
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I do like how Topher played Venom though, much more light hearted and joking than he is in the comics. Kinda like they crossed Venom (black symbiote, Eddie Brock) with Carnage (skinnier, more of a joker)
Carnage wasn't really a joker, as much as a psychopath. Venom was ALWAYS a joker, however, whose murderous mad-on for Spider-Man was always intermixed with twisted humour.

Venom was superbly done in the comics. Brock's life was ruined by Spider-Man AND Parker. The symbiote was LITERALLY a lover scorned. This new version just isn't as good. Sure, it makes people angry, but that kind of kills the thing that made Venom interesting. This Venom is full of Anger and Agressions. The old Venom has saved Mary Jane, and dozens of other innocent lives. He was the most terrifying character Spider-Man could face. But he was also a self-declared protector of innocence.

Not saying there isn't a Carnage connection, but on a different level.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:18 AM   #124
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Seriously mate, that's not a just streach that's a Superman tall buildings in a single bound leap.

But no doubt a bunch of fuck wits will put up an online petition accusing Spiderman 3 of being anti Arab and a tool of the Bush administration, just as they did with 300.
And at least 300 had some actual context with which to say that. It's grasping at straws, but at least it's not trying to clutch the wind.

Spider-Man's been posing in front of American flags since before 9-11 (When the trailers were showing him on the flag pole and swinging past the Twin Towers, which must never be shown ever again, lest an Arab try and fly a plane through the screen), os a dramatic shot with Spidey in front of a flagpole is surprising as him shooting webs.
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Old 05-06-2007, 01:38 PM   #125
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It wasn't bad. Not the best, but I wouldn't go so far as to take the fanboy overreaction that it's the worst movie of the year.

Maybe everyone's reactions to the movie are based on what they're expecting going in. I went in after reading the first couple of pages from this thread and thought it was going to be terrible. During the opening credits, they showed scenes of the first two movies, and I jokingly whispered to my wife "Ok, now that we've shown you the two good Spiderman movies, here's this pile of crap." But I was pleasantly suprised that it wasn't all that bad.

I don't care if the movie was completely accurate with the comics or not. When the first one came out, fanboys went nuts because he didn't use web cartridges. It didn't make it a bad movie. And I think ending a movie with a little closure is a good thing.

My only qualms about this movie are that there was a little too much going on, and some of the dots could have matched up a little clearer. Tack on five more minutes of Eddie's background so we can see why he hates Parker so much that he wants him dead. We had two movies full of why Harry hates Peter and why Peter wants to avenge his uncle, but only a couple scenes of Parker screwing Eddie. Also, at one point, there was so much drama going on with no action in sight that I had to remind myself that I was in a Spiderman movie.

After the movie was over, I had a chuckle at the Kenny-esque irony of Gwen Stacy. One of the few characters in the comics who died and stayed dead for good actually survived this movie. It reminded me of the episode of South Park that Kenny actually survived
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Old 05-06-2007, 03:39 PM   #126
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I think they did stuff too much into the movie. Odd considering the thing is over 2 hours long, but yea...it was rushed for sure like you all said. Some of things could have been done without *spoiler in black...not really a spoiler, but some people are picky*like the whole jazz dance scene. I would have rather had more background on WHY Penny was sick, what was she sick from? Venom stalking Marko would have been a good scene, to clarify WHY he knows about the Sandmans problems with his child and Spiderman.


And my BIGGEST problem with the ENTIRE franchise so far.


WHY OH WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE ENEMY END UP FINDING OUT SPIDERMAN'S IDENTITY?
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Old 05-06-2007, 04:42 PM   #127
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DOesn't matter as long as they die. Goblin finding out is instrumental, Doc Ock finding out was done well and he died 5 minutes later. As for Venom finding out, there's never a point where Venom doesn't or shouldn't know, since the suit knows everything about Parker/Spidey.

So the only gripe you have should really be with Sandman, who never does find out Spiderman's identity until Venom bring him in on it, which isn't even for sure that he does find out. If Venom doesn't tell him, he only finds out at the end before he gets forgiven.
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Old 05-06-2007, 05:34 PM   #128
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Spiderman asked him if he remembered shooting Ben before he tried getting revenge. Sandman only needed to put two and two together to figure out that Spiderman was related to him. It doesn't matter that it's Peter in particular. Just that it's somebody related to Ben.
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Old 05-06-2007, 06:23 PM   #129
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During the opening credits, they showed scenes of the first two movies, and I jokingly whispered to my wife "Ok, now that we've shown you the two good Spiderman movies, here's this pile of crap."
I said something similar, that NOBODY starts a movie with clips from past movies unless they know it's gonna suck.

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I would have rather had more background on WHY Penny was sick, what was she sick from? Venom stalking Marko would have been a good scene, to clarify WHY he knows about the Sandmans problems with his child and Spiderman.


And my BIGGEST problem with the ENTIRE franchise so far.


WHY OH WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE ENEMY END UP FINDING OUT SPIDERMAN'S IDENTITY?
I just assumed that the Symbiote passed on the knowledge.

Also, it's something I was thinking of in similar terms. Spidey is unmasked every 13 minutes in those movies. The part with Harry, with Norman, makese sense. And even Sandman makes sense to an extent. But when you get a trende where Parker's always unmasked....

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DOesn't matter as long as they die. Goblin finding out is instrumental, Doc Ock finding out was done well and he died 5 minutes later. As for Venom finding out, there's never a point where Venom doesn't or shouldn't know, since the suit knows everything about Parker/Spidey.
I just want to point out that people keep bringing up Raimi's hardon for the Sinsiter 6. And if Doc Ock comes back as part of it (I don't think he's dead) it could be a problem. Of course, they have the "amnesia angle.
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Old 05-06-2007, 09:35 PM   #130
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In the comics, the symbiote passed on all the knowledge but like a lot of other things they left it out of the movie. Brock found out that Parker was spiderman like 2 seconds before he bacame Venom because he saw Peter trying to get the suit off. Apparently he can see clearly all the way to the top of a bell tower... meh
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Old 05-06-2007, 11:41 PM   #131
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That was pretty funny. Despite in the shot, you could see he couldn't possibly have told it was Peter.
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Old 05-07-2007, 12:55 AM   #132
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That was pretty funny. Despite in the shot, you could see he couldn't possibly have told it was Peter.

Yeah, I thought that was really ballistic too. As much as I love this movie (and I do), I keep having to remind myself to take it for what it is, and not worry about every plot hole. If I worried over every single plothole, I'd probably commit suicide, as this movie is full of them.
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How many comic movie franchise that make it to 3 films maintain this quality? It was still pretty damn good.
All criticism stems from dissapointment and missed expectations. I think peoples belive that it could have been better, or personal wishes shouldn't stand in the way of realizing that regardless it was good. But lets face it, Spidey 1 and especially 2 left goddamn huge shoes to fill. This movie still was a damn good flick. The dissapointment comes from a lot going on, and the misuse of Venom and juggling of multiple storylines and villians. However it still moved on with the franchise, didn't lose it's appeal and stayed true to the first two. Plus it's a dream come true to see the black suited Spidey and Venom on screen, even if it wasn't the fanboy wet dream we all greedily expected.
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Greatest Superhero movie I've seen so far. I LOVED it. The tag team action was fuckin awesome.

Mark out moment: When heel Spidey caught the pumpkin bomb in Goblin's mansion and fired it right back at him and just laughed. woah.
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That was high point in the film
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Anyone else think that the kid who plays Petrelli (HEroes) would be a better Spider-Man than Tobey?
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Old 05-07-2007, 10:35 AM   #137
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And hey, if we're going into plot holes, why did Spider-Man not feel a little weirder about just waking up hanging upside down in front of a building?

In the comics, it was a long time before the symbiote gave him any reason to believe something was up (Aside from the intial trigger of his Spider-Sense). When he found he was doing stuff in his sleep and such, he got worried. Spider-Man in the moviesis like "I woke up in a strange place and feel stronger...Should I think about this? Nah."

I mean, he did take it to Connors, but he didn't exactly seem concerned.
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I remember him having a nightmare and waking up, hanging upside down in front of a reflective city window and being like "wtf" in the animated series. In the comics there was the whole secret war thing, but that wasn't what they were following and rightfully so.
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To give a deeper review, like I said this was the best superhero film I have watched. The action scenes were very entertaining. The final battle was very awesome. I was waiting for Goblin to make the save and the way I personally wanted to see it done was exactly what they did. The pumpkin bomb just coming into the shot and into Sandman was really cool. I liked how Venom and Sandman did that double team where Venom tied Spidey down and Sandman just pounded on him.

There was a lot of slow stuff and I could tell a lot of people getting restless in the theatre. But that comes with all movies. The action seemed to pick back up quickly though.

The best speech scene in the movie I thought came from the butler guy of Goblin. When he talked about Goblin's dad dying by his own hand and not Spiderman's. I thought that was very well done and led perfectly into the Goblin coming in to save Spiderman and Jane.

I laughed my ass off at Asshole Spiderman. It was so funny just watching the hero be a heel. It almost made Brock and Franco good guys for a little bit. The John Travolta stuff was kind of cheesy, but it was funny. I loved the scene where he just beat the shit out of Goblin and was like " awww what, is little Goblin gonna cry now?" LOL.

Who is the Black Cat in the movie? Someone mentioned it in this thread.

I liked the guy who played Sandman. I thought he did an outstanding job with the character. When he put the striped shirt on, I really felt like it was Sandman from the comics.

Great fun movie all around.
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Who is the Black Cat in the movie? Someone mentioned it in this thread.
Shes not in this movie. I was discussing possible plots for the next movie, if there is one. I was thinking that they could make gwen stacy the black cat, even though she isnt in the comics or any other story.
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The best speech scene in the movie I thought came from the butler guy of Goblin. When he talked about Goblin's dad dying by his own hand and not Spiderman's. I thought that was very well done and led perfectly into the Goblin coming in to save Spiderman and Jane.
Seriously? I thought it was terrible. That was way too conveniant. Why the hell did he wait til just then to tell Harry all that?

Oh well.
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Anyone else think that the kid who plays Petrelli (HEroes) would be a better Spider-Man than Tobey?
I think Tobey is a good Peter Parker, but hes not a good spiderman.
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Old 05-07-2007, 01:26 PM   #143
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I think Tobey is a good Peter Parker, but hes not a good spiderman.
I respectfully disagree. When that costume goes on he has all the right moves and mannerisms, and the design of the costume and his frame look like spidey. He acts perfectly once he dons the suit, and his voice and cocky tone are perfect, especially when he delivers the trademark quips and one liners.
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I remember him having a nightmare and waking up, hanging upside down in front of a reflective city window and being like "wtf" in the animated series. In the comics there was the whole secret war thing, but that wasn't what they were following and rightfully so.
Not really the point.

You have tunnel vision, don't you?
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I think it's more the point that he's distracted by the power of the suit and how good it feels, it's an addictive feeling. So waking up in the middle of the street is pretty strange, but sleep walking isn't nearly as strange as some of the shit Spiderman has always seen and taken for seemingly normal. He did have a "wtf" reaction, and proceeded to become caught up in what the suit felt like instead of what it is.
He later goes to see connors, but he never really says that the suit is making him behave the way he is. It kind of just has a grip on his mind and he doesn't question it much.
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I found it strange that after bonding with him, the black suit was still a regular fabric suit with a removable mask, until it became more bonded. It probably stuck to him more before he removed it because it knew he was getting rid of it.
But it's strange that until then it wasn't really a bonded symbiote, but just his suit with a personality leech. He was able to take it off and fold it up like a regular suit.
Which makes me wonder, why did he have a Spidey suit that was normal, and the black suit in a dresser. Was it it's own fabric suit that he took off on top of his original, or did it bond with his suit altogether and he just had a second suit?
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I found it strange that after bonding with him, the black suit was still a regular fabric suit with a removable mask, until it became more bonded. It probably stuck to him more before he removed it because it knew he was getting rid of it.
But it's strange that until then it wasn't really a bonded symbiote, but just his suit with a personality leech. He was able to take it off and fold it up like a regular suit.
Which makes me wonder, why did he have a Spidey suit that was normal, and the black suit in a dresser. Was it it's own fabric suit that he took off on top of his original, or did it bond with his suit altogether and he just had a second suit?
It was still a symbiote, just not a bonded one.

And I'd imagine Spidey always has a spare suit. however, I didn't see any of the fabric when he tore it off, so maybe not. But then, I think this is still overthinking the movie.
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I found it strange that after bonding with him, the black suit was still a regular fabric suit with a removable mask, until it became more bonded. It probably stuck to him more before he removed it because it knew he was getting rid of it.
But it's strange that until then it wasn't really a bonded symbiote, but just his suit with a personality leech. He was able to take it off and fold it up like a regular suit.
Which makes me wonder, why did he have a Spidey suit that was normal, and the black suit in a dresser. Was it it's own fabric suit that he took off on top of his original, or did it bond with his suit altogether and he just had a second suit?
They kinda screwed that up. Especially since Venom had his open and close around him. Not a big deal tho.
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I have a theory on dissapointing installments.


Whenever a classic movie has a sequel that is better (ie Spiderman 2, ESB, X2, T2, etc,) the third movie is usually a dissapointment to most people. Some are bad, some are still good, but usually once the sequel outshines the original, the third is doomed to be labled a dissapointment due to the classic and classic-er trend of the first two. It's expected to be classic-est, and it usually fails to meet this.

Spiderman, Star Wars, Xmen, Terminator, and Alien were all huge classic hits.
Spiderman 2, Empire Strikes Back, X2, Terminator 2 and Aliens were all considered to suprisingly outshine their classic predecessor.
Spiderman 3, Return of the Jedi, X3, T3 and Alien 3 are all labled as dissapointing, even though individual quality varies among them.

Notice the trend?


Of course a movie can only be judged for what it is, and not as part of a trend. With that being said, I feel Spiderman 3 isn't as good as part 2, but is still a very good movie in its own right.
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I have a theory on dissapointing installments.


Whenever a classic movie has a sequel that is better (ie Spiderman 2, ESB, X2, T2, etc,) the third movie is usually a dissapointment to most people. Some are bad, some are still good, but usually once the sequel outshines the original, the third is doomed to be labled a dissapointment due to the classic and classic-er trend of the first two. It's expected to be classic-est, and it usually fails to meet this.

Spiderman, Star Wars, Xmen, Terminator, and Alien were all huge classic hits.
Spiderman 2, Empire Strikes Back, X2, Terminator 2 and Aliens were all considered to suprisingly outshine their classic predecessor.
Spiderman 3, Return of the Jedi, X3, T3 and Alien 3 are all labled as dissapointing, even though individual quality varies among them.

Notice the trend?


Of course a movie can only be judged for what it is, and not as part of a trend. With that being said, I feel Spiderman 3 isn't as good as part 2, but is still a very good movie in its own right.
Empire actually wasn't. Retroactively, it was later considered better, but that was well after Jedi. Lucas actually LOST a lot of fans because his second Star Wars lost the plot, so to speak. The first was groundbreaking, amazing, and well-defined, and a lot of people didn't think the second one was.

I won't even bother arguing that Spider-Man's not really in "classic" land, because I can tell I'd be inundated by fanboys, but....
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Well it's Spiderman. And the series has been on a level of popularity and mainstream following that are rivaled by few.
The thing has been a massive success, and a massive hit. It's the type of thing that's timeless. I know some people reserve the term 'classic' until years later, but I think it's safe to say Spiderman is going down as a true classic. Just as much, if not more, than Batman and Superman did.
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They kinda screwed that up. Especially since Venom had his open and close around him. Not a big deal tho.
Even in the comics, Venom did things that the Symbiote didn't do previously. This was always explained that the suit was "just a costume" to him.

Which makes sense.
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When the suit seperates itself from Parker, it develops it's own hate for Parker because he rejected it. This causes the suit to become more evil than it's natural badside. The suit also takes with it Parker's knowledge and powers, but also a new overhauled identity. It's more controlling, hate filled and clingy.
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Question, did The Sandman ever look like "Rockbiter" from The Neverending Story, in the comics?
Yea, he can grow and form to whatever size he wants. He actually has unlimited capacity, it just depends on how much sand is around him.
Makes me wonder why he wouldn't go to the beach and become the size of a small country.
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Well it's Spiderman. And the series has been on a level of popularity and mainstream following that are rivaled by few.
The thing has been a massive success, and a massive hit. It's the type of thing that's timeless. I know some people reserve the term 'classic' until years later, but I think it's safe to say Spiderman is going down as a true classic. Just as much, if not more, than Batman and Superman did.
Not every movie that enjoys blockbuster sales lasts for generations.

Go look aty prior record breakers.

Selling well=/= classic.

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Spiderman wasn't just a hit, it was a cultural phenomenon. And it has been for decades before the movies came around that only made the whole thing more popular. It will be sticking around (no pun intended)
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Carnage wasn't really a joker, as much as a psychopath. Venom was ALWAYS a joker, however, whose murderous mad-on for Spider-Man was always intermixed with twisted humour.

Venom was superbly done in the comics. Brock's life was ruined by Spider-Man AND Parker. The symbiote was LITERALLY a lover scorned. This new version just isn't as good. Sure, it makes people angry, but that kind of kills the thing that made Venom interesting. This Venom is full of Anger and Agressions. The old Venom has saved Mary Jane, and dozens of other innocent lives. He was the most terrifying character Spider-Man could face. But he was also a self-declared protector of innocence.

Not saying there isn't a Carnage connection, but on a different level.
That was kind of my problem with venom. Raimi really seemed to understand the villains' comic counterparts in the first two, but I think his didlike for venom clouded his judgement of what the character should be. I don't think he should have caved in to Avi, and gave venom such a huge part. I would have been much happier if they would have devoted more time to sandman, as so much more could have been done with him. We don't even get any closure on the situation between him and his daughter. I would have been fine with the movie ending on the shot of the symbiote taking over eddie and forming venom.

But like I said, It was still enjoyable enough where you could look past these gripes and still have fun.
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