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Old 08-28-2014, 10:30 AM   #1
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You know what really sucks?

In the whole WWE we have 3 credible heels, Lesnar, Rollins and Rusev. (4 if you count HHH) One of those heels is a main event player who only works part time. WWE has been really bad a building top heels foreverrrrr.

I guess babyfaces push more merch though.
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Old 08-28-2014, 10:54 AM   #2
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How many credible faces are there? Cena, Reigns, Ambrose. Least it's an even amount.
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:06 AM   #3
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The "Upper Midcard" goes on too long imo.
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:17 AM   #4
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How many credible faces are there? Cena, Reigns, Ambrose. Least it's an even amount.
Daniel, Sheamus, Big show, and I'd say the Uso's are now.
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:17 AM   #5
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Orton?
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Old 08-28-2014, 11:18 AM   #6
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Not really, he never wins big matches and always needed help from HHH for the past year.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:04 PM   #7
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In the whole WWE we have 3 credible heels, Lesnar, Rollins and Rusev. (4 if you count HHH) One of those heels is a main event player who only works part time. WWE has been really bad a building top heels foreverrrrr.

I guess babyfaces push more merch though.
Problem is whenever it looks like they are building a credible heel, they just get feed to Cena or randomly get their push dropped for no real reason.

Same for faces outside of a handful who managed to become big names. WWE either just suddenly drops their push or turns them with no long term thought.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:06 PM   #8
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Not really, he never wins big matches and always needed help from HHH for the past year.
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:07 PM   #9
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Not sure how Orton is not credible because he "needed HHH" but yet Rollins IS despite needing HHH and Kane
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Old 08-28-2014, 04:11 PM   #10
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I get your point but he has been winning. Kinda like the HHH/Flair dynamic in 03
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Old 08-28-2014, 06:39 PM   #11
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Every heel that is not a monster cheats or has someone cheat for them so they can win. Orton is credible. He has been credible for years now.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:08 PM   #12
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He always loses though.
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Old 08-28-2014, 07:22 PM   #13
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as #1-wwf-fan has stated many times, that last title run by orton really hurt him a lot. they made him look like a total bitch. i still think the guy is money, but it's hard to view him as a credible threat the way he's been booked over at least the past year.
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Old 08-29-2014, 07:33 AM   #14
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It doesn't matter if Orton always loses, (which he doesn't). He's a big name that can be called upon to headline a PPV if needed.
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Old 08-29-2014, 07:36 AM   #15
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I know what sucks.

Daniel Bryan
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It doesn't matter if Orton always loses, (which he doesn't). He's a big name that can be called upon to headline a PPV if needed.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:35 AM   #17
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It's a shame piper lost every match to hogan, really killed his main event status
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:52 AM   #18
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hey guys I hear wrestler wins/losses matter at all in 2014

confirm/deny please
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Old 08-29-2014, 01:38 PM   #19
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Orton is definitely a credible heel. Second only to Lesnar, I'd say. He may not be winning a ton right now, but no one would be shocked by him suddenly winning the title.
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Old 08-29-2014, 02:41 PM   #20
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Is Bo Dallas doing well as a heel? I'm in and out of the product currently, but he gets a reaction like he's supposed to.
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Old 08-29-2014, 02:44 PM   #21
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It's a shame piper lost every match to hogan, really killed his main event status
In WCW he did nothing but beat Hogan.
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Old 08-29-2014, 02:55 PM   #22
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confirm/deny please
Yes and No. Established stars losing or winning doesn't really matter. People know they are stars they just need the spot/opportunity to shine. Randy's win/loss record doesn't mean shit.

Debuting stars it sort of does matter because it shows how much confidence the WWE has in them. Bo Dallas losing seemed to have de-railed him a bit until getting into this feud with Swagger that is about to start.

Swagger losing to Rusev did seem to de-rail him because he was never really established as a face.
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Is Bo Dallas doing well as a heel? I'm in and out of the product currently, but he gets a reaction like he's supposed to.
Bo Dallas actually usually gets a bit of a pop from the crowd.
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Old 08-29-2014, 03:11 PM   #24
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If wrestling loses didn't matter I wouldn't hear people complaining about Ziggler losses every other week.

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Old 08-29-2014, 03:19 PM   #25
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They did. It's probably why he's the IC champion now.
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Orton is definitely a credible heel. Second only to Lesnar, I'd say. He may not be winning a ton right now, but no one would be shocked by him suddenly winning the title.
A far distant second maybe, only because Rusev and Rollins are midcard. He's probably 3rd behind HHH.
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Old 08-29-2014, 06:15 PM   #28
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Orton is still credible as a heel with his feud against Bryan as a good example.

The Authority flip flopping a lot and being made to look like a big whiner hurt him more than the constant losing. When neither occurred at times, he looked like a legit threat to Bryan and had the crowd really hating him.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:25 PM   #29
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It's a shame piper lost every match to hogan, really killed his main event status
Yeah, there's a big difference between losing every match to the biggest star of all time and losing pretty much every match you compete in including losing cleanly to guys like Kofi Kingston and Cesaro...
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Old 08-30-2014, 01:33 AM   #32
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Also, the idea that wins and losses don't matter in a form of entertainment where everything leads to matches that are sold on who is going to win and who is going to lose is pretty retarded. Just sayin'.
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Randy Orton could become credible again in one second, but I agree that his current chickenshit heel persona does more to hurt him than help him. And the guys he gets in the ring with. Seth Rollins at least seems to carry himself with an air of arrogant confidence. Orton tells us he is the best, but has done little to prove it since he beat John Cena cleanly at TLC.

I really think that a face turn would freshen him up and allow him to move some merchandise for the company and make more stars than he can in his current heel role.

Cesaro could have been that credible heel too, but they seem to want to use him in an upper mid-card enhancement role. Cesaro's become the new Jack Swagger or Alberto Del Rio, two more heels that could have been credible if they weren't thrown under the "build random faces' credibility bus" as frequently as they were.

Big Show and Mark Henry could be turned and made instantly credible. The ring work wouldn't be as great as it would be if you had a heel Chris Jericho running around, but their size makes it easy. The Wyatt Family are also proving that they can stay over without wins and losses. I'm fairly confident Bray is going to come out of all this a credible threat to the World Title any time they need him to be. In fact, I think the same could be said for Harper, and perhaps even eventually Rowan.
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