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Old 10-23-2015, 04:23 PM   #41
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People only call you crazy when you say the 'product is good', or 'its an honor for a wrestler to be fed to Cena'
Both are true statements. Especially when Cena is so giving in the ring.
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Old 10-23-2015, 04:41 PM   #42
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Both are actually opinions. Especially the first one.
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Old 10-23-2015, 06:42 PM   #43
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Both are actually opinions. Especially the first one.
Trust me, I understand that. People who jump on me for feeling that way don't get it. They think you have to be self hating to be a proper fan.
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Old 10-23-2015, 09:46 PM   #44
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I don't think they feel that way at all. I think it's just a vast majority who don't enjoy the current product arguing with someone who does enjoy it trying to change each other's minds.
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Old 10-23-2015, 09:59 PM   #45
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He could probably be a lot better given more free reign and an open mic. The fact that everything the announcers do, from match calling to the little one liners from Saxton, sound scripted, it's incredibly limiting. Cole has had some great moments before. But he's not gonna have them constantly when he's being fed and monitored on every damn line be utters.
He did a lot better on the "Beast in the East" special. It was worlds better than what you'd expect to hear, and is likely because the show wasn't micromanaged as it likely happened during the one hour that Vince McMahon actually sleeps. It shows he's more than capable. Kinda like how nobody knew Big Show could be funny until his SNL cameo. Before that, he was perpetually in constant snarling, angry giant mode.
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Old 10-23-2015, 10:25 PM   #46
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The "Beast" special was very unique in that Triple H was supposedly in full control and WWE used the local big tv crew instead of their own for the event. Ended letting Cole and the announce team have a lot more freedom than usual for calling matches.

WWE did borrow a camera angle from the show but was used for a week or two before getting dropped or as a rare thing. The spot where the cameraman follows a wrestler from behind as he's running to attack someone outside. Before it was the WWE would only show the attack itself or from a different side.
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Old 10-24-2015, 10:58 AM   #47
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I don't think they feel that way at all. I think it's just a vast majority who don't enjoy the current product arguing with someone who does enjoy it trying to change each other's minds.
That's possible
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Old 10-24-2015, 03:18 PM   #48
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I don't entirely blame Cole for the dumpster fire that is the WWE commentary table. I find all of the commentators to be bland, neutured and not as good at their job as others over the course of the last thirty years, but it's all do to the current structure and backstage climate of WWE, not so much the guys on the mics. Vince will put over whoever he wants to get over, like John Cena, Roman Reigns, 2012 Ryback, etc...
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:35 PM   #49
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I once again agree with #fan. Cole was so good as a heel, but I feel he outgrew that position. It may have been time to use that heat to graduate him to a full-time managing position.
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:52 PM   #50
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The sheer idea of your signature announcer playing heel is idiotic. Horrible idea. Terribly executed
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Old 10-27-2015, 10:57 PM   #51
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He always got me off.
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I remember reading at the time someone saying that Matt Striker should have been inserted into that role. That would have made so much sense.
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Old 10-29-2015, 07:51 PM   #54
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I can't believe the WWE actually did this.
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The dude is such a good heel. He really should have graduated to being a manager after all this. Josh Mathews could have done alright as the new lead announcer with Jerry Lawler for a while.
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Old 10-29-2015, 11:35 PM   #57
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I can't believe the WWE actually did this.
Totally forgot about this.... The "girl" season is the only season of NXT that I watched all of.... Commentators just ripped the whole thing apart constantly to the point where it was just awkward, weird, and "surreal" that it was actually happening....
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I didn't watch the whole thing, but man is "surreal" the right word.
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NXT Season 3 was glorious. The fact that they just straight up acknowledged that nobody was watching the show and ripping on it.

I remember Naomi won the first two immunity challenges or something and Cole was just like "I HOPE NAOMI WINS EVERY CHALLENGE SO THIS SHOW CAN END EARLY!" and everybody cracked up, including Matt Striker in the ring. Was the first time I realized that ring announcers/emcees can hear the commentators.
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:40 AM   #60
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Thinking about it...as much as I enjoyed the initial concept of NXT and how it gave rise to the Nexus (before they botched it of course) and how 7 of the 8 guys are still employed to this day, I really wish they had just kept the ECW brand alive.

It was a great differentiator from the 2 main shows. Perfect way to introduce new guys to the main roster without immediately needing to give them a ridiculously huge push on Raw or SmackDown. Also it helped to rejuvenate guys who might have just been stuck languishing on the midcard on the other shows.
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He decided that he wanted to be the voice of the company and when you do that, you've got to put up with a 68 year old man yelling at you all night, micro managing everything you do and say
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Thinking about it...as much as I enjoyed the initial concept of NXT and how it gave rise to the Nexus (before they botched it of course) and how 7 of the 8 guys are still employed to this day, I really wish they had just kept the ECW brand alive.

It was a great differentiator from the 2 main shows. Perfect way to introduce new guys to the main roster without immediately needing to give them a ridiculously huge push on Raw or SmackDown. Also it helped to rejuvenate guys who might have just been stuck languishing on the midcard on the other shows.
The current version of NXT is better than even the original non WWE owned ECW. So i guess everything worked out in the end. WWE had a vision for what a feeder territory should look like, and it's been a massive success.
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He decided that he wanted to be the voice of the company and when you do that, you've got to put up with a 68 year old man yelling at you all night, micro managing everything you do and say
Dear God that was depressing to listen to.
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He decided that he wanted to be the voice of the company and when you do that, you've got to put up with a 68 year old man yelling at you all night, micro managing everything you do and say
Why do you assume he is yelling from the clip posted.

Classic internet BS
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Dear God that was depressing to listen to.
Why? Because Vince was trying to give direction?
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Why do you assume he is yelling from the clip posted.

Classic internet BS
Other than JR and Mick Foley testifying to that regularly being the case and the sheepish reaction of Cole, I can't possibly think of a reason Vince
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*You can add Michael Cole to the list of people who have stated that Vince regularly shouts down the headsets.
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Other than JR and Mick Foley testifying to that regularly being the case and the sheepish reaction of Cole, I can't possibly think of a reason Vince
Didnt sound sheepish at all. You expect him to start screaming at Vince "i'll do it how I want"

Watching the video objectively, he realizes he is repeating a point, and asks for clarification from his BOSS, gets it, and says Thank you sir i will do that going forward.

But go ahead fill in the blanks with random made up stuff. It helps your argument so it works! Who needs facts?
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*You can add Michael Cole to the list of people who have stated that Vince regularly shouts down the headsets.
I'm not saying that Vince has never yelled. The video in question was posted like it proves something about the relationship between on air talent and the owner of the company. The video shows what sounds like a very calm and rational discussion.

The IWC adds in a bunch of fabrication and then tries to pass it off as proof of their larger point. Meanwhile THE VIDEO in reality does no such thing.
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Old 10-30-2015, 07:59 PM   #71
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Vince was so horrible calling matches he really has no room to critique anyone. Except he signs the checks
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NXT Season 3 was glorious. The fact that they just straight up acknowledged that nobody was watching the show and ripping on it.

I remember Naomi won the first two immunity challenges or something and Cole was just like "I HOPE NAOMI WINS EVERY CHALLENGE SO THIS SHOW CAN END EARLY!" and everybody cracked up, including Matt Striker in the ring. Was the first time I realized that ring announcers/emcees can hear the commentators.
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Old 10-30-2015, 08:50 PM   #73
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That whole NXT season 3 stuff is pretty much why I like Cole so much, I thought that season was hilarious. I get that, from a professional standpoint, having the "voice of the company" go off on the product is terrible, but then, in theory, the company is at fault if they're putting out a product that they know people are gonna shit all over in the first place.
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Old 10-31-2015, 01:49 PM   #74
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I'm not saying that Vince has never yelled. The video in question was posted like it proves something about the relationship between on air talent and the owner of the company. The video shows what sounds like a very calm and rational discussion.

The IWC adds in a bunch of fabrication and then tries to pass it off as proof of their larger point. Meanwhile THE VIDEO in reality does no such thing.
I dunno. Seems like there were pretty huge gaps between when Cole talked and when he listened, and him repeatedly responding with "Okay" and "Yes, sir..." seem to be implying that Cole is acting very submissively and as if he HAS been being yelled at by Vince for at least part of that conversation.

Note, I'm not saying at all that's what was going on there, just my impressions. And I've watched that several times over.
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Other than JR and Mick Foley testifying to that regularly being the case and the sheepish reaction of Cole, I can't possibly think of a reason Vince
But what successful territory have they ever booked?
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