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Old 06-04-2012, 08:23 AM   #681
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No Lesnar? No Austin? No CENA?

Congratulations. I have been here since TPWW was born, and I think you are a fucking idiot.
TPWW is the greatest, such honesty amongst the participants.

Ok I'll give u all the fact that Cena is "the" major draw in wrestling.

But lets keep in mind that Austin is not returning and Brock signed a 1 yr contract.

CENA NEEDS A TIME OUT!

Lets be honest if people are tired of seeing Cena win how does it help by just making him lose more. It kinds of defeat the purpose of his character build. He's suppose to be a person that rises to the occaision. The best thing for him is a hiatus and the WWE needs to broadcast more of their talented wrestlers. I agree Cena's Move-set has improved over the last year. But his dropkick looks silly coming from him. As a wrestling fan I like wrestling and Cena is not wrestling and his promos just plain sux now. They use to be interesting but since the Rock um i guess we can say 2 match return Cena has become more predictable then ever. And If Cena left wrestling today it would not hurt the WWE. Just as it didn't hurt when the Rock left. His return would help though.
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Old 06-04-2012, 08:29 AM   #682
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In Fox's card the matches are so uneven that they can't be fun to watch.

Ok Rock vs Cena was good the first time but never b4 and never again remember. But it is the only worth while watching match on the card unless every1 else finds the fountain of youth. Stone Cold was wearing knee braces while he was on top of the WWE and he has already had his neck broken so at his age a match against CM Punk doesn't even make sense. How slow would CM Punk have to move to keep up with Stone Cold.
Brock Lesnar vs Undertaker another such match. Brock pace is constantly flash fast. Undertaker would have to carry the whole match by pretty much dominating Brock Lesnar. D. Bryan and Triple H would be action wise the second most interesting match of the night. But at the end of the day Fox's card would be predictable which is probably why u guys voted for it. You love the predictability.
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Old 06-04-2012, 11:13 AM   #683
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Cena missing WrestleMania 29 would probably be WWE's worst nightmare. He's the only thing close to an actual "celebrity" that the WWE has created in the past decade, and a large percentage of fans at the gate pay just to see him, like it or not.

With that, my top Mania matches would consist of:

Brock Lesnar (c) vs. The Rock
Steve Austin vs. CM Punk
The Undertaker vs. John Cena
Triple H vs. Dolph Ziggler
Daniel Bryan (c) vs. Randy Orton
Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara
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Old 06-04-2012, 12:40 PM   #684
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:38 PM   #685
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Watching some heel Austin videos, I realise just how great a heel Austin was. I think that his actual turn, whilst shocking and somewhat exciting, did do damage to the business. A large part of that was that there were no real top faces to really stand up to Austin at that point in time. I personally feel that the Two-Man Power Trip was a bad idea, and that Triple H should have turned face to challenge Austin.
I disagree about the Two Man Power Trip being a bad idea, though I do the storyline reason they formed. Their feud with the Brothers of Destruction was, though short, intriguing.
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Old 06-04-2012, 01:42 PM   #686
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Cena leaving would hurt for a while, but WWE can make another top superstar as popular, if not more to replace him and heal the hurt. Despite what we think about him, WWE's proud to have him there, but they can adapt without him too.
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Old 06-04-2012, 02:36 PM   #687
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The failure of his heel turn is probably a good reason why they will never do the same with John Cena.
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:14 PM   #688
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Totally different situations. Austin was never getting half-booes/half-cheers in every arena in the country (including his home town) when he was a face. Cena has been in that place for years and years.

Austin's heel turn didn't mean losing "the guy." They had The Rock, who had proven himself to be just as big, if not a bigger draw than Austin. WWE does not have that guy right now.

At the time, WWE was not a publicly traded entity the way that it is now. They didn't have stock or shareholders to answer to. This was also pre-9/11 and pre-Benoit murders, so they didn't have to worry about being so sensitive and getting "good PR" by having their top guy (Austin) do publicity work like Make a Wish, Be A Star, etc. All he had to do was guest star on Walker: Texas Ranger.


These are the reasons they won't turn Cena heel. I highly doubt Austin's "failed heel turn" has ANYTHING to do with their decision to keep John face.
Wasn't Rock written out when the Two Man Power Trip formed so that he could go film The Mummy Returns?

They elevated Angle, RVD, Benoit, Jericho, etc. Which is what they would have to do today.
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absence makes the heart grow fonder. Cena leaving could help. In fact I believe this is building up to Cena quitting. He needs to leave so that people can miss him.
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Old 06-05-2012, 12:16 AM   #690
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lol @ Taz at 5:50
I remember when Taz confronted heel Austin after he beat up Michael Cole. Austin was calling out Booker T, and Taz just got into the ring and Austin turned around and was like "Unless Booker T got real short and real fat real fast, you're not Booker T" haha.
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I despise the PG Era just as much as anybody else, but they were doomed to dropping ratings just before Cena too. Cena's first movie was not exactly hailed by Roger and Ebert, and the second one he was in was even worse, so I don't see him quitting to go into movies like the Rock did, not for a while at least. Personally, I prefer thuganomics Cena over PG Cena, but I guess there's certain factors in WWE old school fans don't have a say in nowadays.
I figured Zack Ryder would gain far more popularity because of his Youtube channel's popularity and the reception of Jersey Shore, a show I also despise, but their most drawing fans get into I suppose. TNA is more for us (hardcore wrestling male fans) than it is their's (women and children), while WWE has become more for their's.
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I wish Taz in his prime could have fought Austin. I don't think Austin would be standing.
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Old 06-05-2012, 10:58 AM   #693
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Raw got boring ever since they fired Vince Russo

It just seems to be getting boring, the only thing interesting
is watching the commercials? anyone agree.
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Then don't watch. Pretty simple stuff.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:00 AM   #695
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A Time Travel Angle/Gimmick?

One thing I've not seen WWE do/use yet, is a Time Travel gimmick/angle.
Of course in many tv shows/movies it has been used. But imagine if this happened on WWE. Have a sort of Undertaker like gimmick but with the angle
that he has the ability to travel through time?. But all the time travel shit
happens on the titan tron.. Just to keep the fans happy?,
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:01 AM   #696
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WCW already did this.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:03 AM   #700
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Seriously? It's a repeat. All the top guy's are being fired
due to not being able to keep them self clean. Cena will be the next one to leave
due to being almost bankrupt and with his marriage issue. This is the reason

They plan on bringing back Austin and McMahon it's a quest for ratings

What happens when Austin leaves? or retires? then Taker is now done.
HHH is also done, yet once a year returns with HBK as DX. which is also getting stale.
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My Desmond Hume style gimmick idea for Drew McIntyre was similar to this and was fantastic.
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WCW already did this.
Am not bothered if WCW already did it..

Simpsons did everything South Park did too.

Am on about what if WWE did something like this...
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It was basically a Desmond Hume gimmick which I've joked about them using with Drew in the past. It was also sort of a losing streak thing, which I think I was gonna do before the WWE actually gave him his losing streak.

It starts with him getting destroyed by some hoss, or getting a chairshot to the head or something and he gets concussion. The next week he would start "getting flashes" where he would see glimpses of the future (we wouldn't actually see this, he'd just start acting weird and mention it to a diva backstage or something). He would eventually start knowing the outcome of this matches before they happened. It would have started with him going up against some hosses or main event level guys, and he would just get in the ring and roll out as soon as the bell rang because "he knows" the outcome of the match was going to be him losing anyway, and he would just walk to the back almost depressed that he didn't even get a chance to fight.

Eventually some GM or whatever forces him to actually fight because they don't believe he's seeing any flashes, so instead he starts giving the commentators an envelope with the match result in to prove his power works, however he just keeps losing, which it says on his card inside the envelope every time. Obviously people still don't believe him because he's going up against all these hosses who destroy him, so anybody could predict that. Eventually he loses to someone lower down the card, which he also predicted correctly, so people assume he lost on purpose.

Eventually after a GM or whatever gets sick of him lying to them and throwing away matches, he gets put in against a high level player, like Orton or someone as punishment, and he wins out of the blue. He then gets on the mic and is like "check the card, brotha!" (doesn't have to say brotha but still ) and he actually predicted he would beat the top guy.

I'm not sure where I would've headed with it after that though, probably something with him trying to change his visions at some point. Trying to win when he's "seen" that he would lose and when he "sees" himself winning he tries to lose, but somehow he keeps winning.
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Aight so that's more of a "psychic" gimmick than a time travel one but whatever.
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Yeah, there was a tag team called the New Breed that debuted in the late '80s that claimed to be time travelers from the year 2002.
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Pretty sure Austin is retired so if he came back and left we wouldnt really notice. No top guys have been fired, suspended yes but not fired. Cena wouldnt leave if his wife bankrupted him, seriously think that through, the guys getting millions a year so he'll leave? The fuck is wrong with you?
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Yeah just don't watch if you're not enjoying it. I've mostly stopped watching because of constant adverts making it tedious for me to sit through late at night, and then I can never be bothered to watch the shows the next day on youtube or whatever, mostly because I'm not that interested in any of it right now.

It's pretty simple not to watch something.
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My version:

make him become a more dark sider type
such as the Undertaker to carry on the deadman image. with a twist.

He travels in time, but some how manges to fuck things up,
which causes him to loose every match he has, he goes back in time
to try and cheat his way into victory. then comes back to the present etc.

Santino would be a perfect fit for this.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:13 AM   #712
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They plan on bringing back Austin and McMahon it's a quest for ratings
Yeah, what would a television program want with ratings?
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:16 AM   #714
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replace "the commercials" with "Punk and Danielson" and we have a St. Jimmy post
Replace second "Raw" with "Punk and Danielson" and we have a Gertner post
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:19 AM   #715
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Raw has been getting more boring after the Extreme Rules PPV.
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:35 AM   #716
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sky+ my friend, try recording Raw then depending on your preference forward through all the adverts and watch just the wrestling, or in Swish' case through all the wrestling and watch just the adverts, everyones a winna
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:37 AM   #717
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problem being how do you ressurect Randy Savage (too soon?) to headline next years wrestlemania?
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Old 06-05-2012, 11:52 AM   #718
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What happened to good quality trolling on this forum.

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Old 06-05-2012, 11:54 AM   #719
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This thread needs more Doc Brown, Daniel Faraday and Sam Beckett.

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Old 06-05-2012, 11:55 AM   #720
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Raw got boring ever since they fired Vince Russo,
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