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Old 12-29-2014, 11:41 AM   #41
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Genuinely don't see the appeal in Ryback.
Same here. Other than being bulky, I fail to see the charisma he allegedly has. Not outright dismissing him, but not on his nuts like most.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:06 PM   #42
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I went to a scientist today and he told me Ryback is the correct answer.

So my opinion has transformed into scientific fact.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:16 PM   #43
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lol ryback is so bad
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:17 PM   #44
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Fucking science bro.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:28 PM   #45
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Heres the thing Dolph is rewind and rewatch material Ryback once I've seen it I've seen it.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:31 PM   #46
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Fucking science bro.
Was it Dr. Acula?

He knows alot about people who suck.
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:33 PM   #47
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Old 12-29-2014, 12:39 PM   #48
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Heres the thing Dolph is rewind and rewatch material Ryback once I've seen it I've seen it.
Dolph is the show off, Ryback is the turn the show off.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:20 PM   #49
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I can buy Ryback as a top guy, but not as THE top guy.
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Old 12-29-2014, 08:52 PM   #50
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I would like to note that I made the previous post before I found out Ryback's inspiration is self help books for middle aged lonely women.
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:15 PM   #51
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How do you feel now knowing Rybacks backstory and reading habits ?
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Old 12-29-2014, 10:37 PM   #52
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I feel like the people who think someone like Seth Rollins is a better choice as the face of a wrestling company than Ryback are the same people who think that Chris Benoit should have been the top guy over Goldberg in '98. Or Cena/Batista in '05.
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Old 12-30-2014, 11:30 AM   #53
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Guys who's personal preferences don't take into account what will drive ratings/who will "cross-over"/what will create the next "boom"? And really, why should any of that stuff have any effect on a persons personal preference?

We've had 10 years of a charismatic, muscled-up face of the company and we're all to a man bored with it. Why would we want the same thing again?
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Old 12-30-2014, 11:50 AM   #54
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Only he is less charismatic than Cena
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Old 12-30-2014, 12:09 PM   #56
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Has anyone said Scott Norton yet?
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Old 12-30-2014, 12:14 PM   #57
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I feel like the people who think someone like Seth Rollins is a better choice as the face of a wrestling company than Ryback are the same people who think that Chris Benoit should have been the top guy over Goldberg in '98. Or Cena/Batista in '05.
Except that Rollins actually has charisma and a look that would translate well into other things. Benoit was a fugly toad who just happened to be able to wrestle and had the charisma of a stump of wood.
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Old 12-30-2014, 12:30 PM   #58
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Old 12-30-2014, 12:45 PM   #59
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Except that Rollins actually has charisma and a look that would translate well into other things. Benoit was a fugly toad who just happened to be able to wrestle and had the charisma of a stump of wood.
Chris Benoit was a great wrestler, but he never had any mic skills. And pretty obvious he never actually drew money. And I don't care what anyone says... The be all, end all in the WWE is how much money is made from a certain superstar...
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Old 12-30-2014, 03:15 PM   #60
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Dolph is the show off, Ryback is the turn the show off.
So lame and contrived. Word on the street is that Ryback Rules.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:53 PM   #61
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Ziggler has been consistently over since his debut. He's got a great look and is one of the best in the ring and on the mic. He may never be the elite "face of the company" guy like Steve Austin or John Cena, but he could easily carry the company like Shawn Michaels in 96/97, until the next Austin or Cena comes along.
Shawn Michaels almost carried the company into bankruptcy. ..so i agree zigler could totally do that
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:55 PM   #62
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Except that Rollins actually has charisma and a look that would translate well into other things. Benoit was a fugly toad who just happened to be able to wrestle and had the charisma of a stump of wood.
Anyone who thinks benoit lacked charisma has no clue what it is. Charisma isnt flash or showmanship its an innate magnetism.
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Old 12-30-2014, 05:56 PM   #63
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Most people think charisma means being as good as The Rock on the microphone.
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Most people think charisma means being as good as The Rock on the microphone.
This is exactly true
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Old 12-30-2014, 06:27 PM   #65
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Gonna say after his promo/announcement on Raw, I gotta go with Daniel Bryan on this one. He connects with the audience both young and old. He can work both in the ring and on the mic, and he has that perfect underdog persona that anyone can get behind. I was concerned that the severity of his injuries might not put him in a favorable spot for a major push, but then, Austin broke his fucking neck and came back to totally become one of the biggest names of all time. So yeah, I'm all for Daniel Bryan filling this spot, beating Lesnar and becoming the new face of the WWE.
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Most people think charisma means being as good as The Rock on the microphone.
Exactly charisma is for the most part an intangable thing some people just have Daniel Bryan has it in spades but he isn't The Rock on the mic nor does he have to be,he just connects with people its incredible really. Roman has looks and no charisma and they need to find a way to fix that until then hes as others have said driftwood.
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So lame and contrived. Word on the street is that Ryback Rules.
At least what I said was true.
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I feel like people are way too hard on Roman Reigns, I don't feel like he's completely bereft of charisma, and he's better in the ring than people say. Like a lot of guys on the roster he is the victim of bad booking, but in his case it's bad...good booking. Like they are pushing him ,but not giving him any interesting feuds or real reason to care about him, it's just like "here is this guy, you should like him because he's cool and he's winning". I don't think you can manufacture a "face of the company", you need the support of creative, but some of it has to be organic or whatever.
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I would like to see Cesaro step up. I think if given a legit chance as a babyface he could be THE man, but during his "moment" on Raw he pulled a "Roman" with his "4 ropes... er sides" comment. Maybe Vince was right after all.
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Daniel Bryan, definitely. The man essentially stole the main event plans away from Batista last year, and the guy made people boo Shawn fucking Michaels. Now that he is back, he's the only emotional option for me. He's never won a Royal Rumble, never lost the championship, is probably the most perpetually over face they have had in a long time -- fucking go with him. Brock vs. Bryan would also make a WrestleMania classic. Bryan could then make Reigns a star. He'd probably drop the title to Seth Rollins first, but he could always win it back with help from Reigns or something, starting a cold war between those guys.

Dolph is pretty great, but something about him just screams "bridesmaid, not bride" right now. As insane as this sound, I actually think a heel turn later this year could get Dolph to that "permanent" main event level.

Dean Ambrose is one of my favorites, but something just isn't right about him at the moment. It seems like he is stuck in some sort of "I hate this guy and am going to beat him up while being crazy and cheeky about it." I'd like to see him get a "star-making" moment later in the year. Maybe he and Triple H have some sort of brawl at Extreme Rules, and Ambrose wins that?
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I feel like people are way too hard on Roman Reigns, I don't feel like he's completely bereft of charisma, and he's better in the ring than people say. Like a lot of guys on the roster he is the victim of bad booking, but in his case it's bad...good booking. Like they are pushing him ,but not giving him any interesting feuds or real reason to care about him, it's just like "here is this guy, you should like him because he's cool and he's winning". I don't think you can manufacture a "face of the company", you need the support of creative, but some of it has to be organic or whatever.
People are hard on him because of everything you go on to say. Given how long he's been in the business Reigns is pretty much exactly where you'd expect him to be. The problem comes when they want him to be the next Hogan/Austin/Rock/Cena level guy. That's where the expectations rise; he simply has to deliver in more than one area above what everybody else is doing.

If the company will cool off guys like Cesaro and Ziggler because they "can't cut a promo/have no charisma/don't connect", Reigns needs to stand head and shoulders above those other guys.

Your top guy doesn't need to excel in all areas; Hogan had the look, an incredible magnatism, and could cut a promo. Austin was a great all-rounder in fairness, as was Rock; look, character, in-ring but again they had charisma/magnatism in spades. Cena fails on a few areas, his in-ring (like Hogan) isn't great, but he works his ass off in and out of the ring, he's dependable, he can cut a great promo, he's charismatic, he hooks the kids, he's a great poster boy with a great "clean cut" look. Reigns has a look, and at this point, little else. He's got some decent presence but I'm not sure he's got the magnatism.

He has massive expectations to live up to, that's why he gets it hard.

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Daniel Bryan, definitely. The man essentially stole the main event plans away from Batista last year, and the guy made people boo Shawn fucking Michaels. Now that he is back, he's the only emotional option for me. He's never won a Royal Rumble, never lost the championship, is probably the most perpetually over face they have had in a long time -- fucking go with him. Brock vs. Bryan would also make a WrestleMania classic. Bryan could then make Reigns a star. He'd probably drop the title to Seth Rollins first, but he could always win it back with help from Reigns or something, starting a cold war between those guys.

Dolph is pretty great, but something about him just screams "bridesmaid, not bride" right now. As insane as this sound, I actually think a heel turn later this year could get Dolph to that "permanent" main event level.

Dean Ambrose is one of my favorites, but something just isn't right about him at the moment. It seems like he is stuck in some sort of "I hate this guy and am going to beat him up while being crazy and cheeky about it." I'd like to see him get a "star-making" moment later in the year. Maybe he and Triple H have some sort of brawl at Extreme Rules, and Ambrose wins that?
I've been an advocate for Bryan-Lesnar for a long time. Even to the point where if Lesnar is going - and the crowd knows that the title is going to change hands - I think Bryan will be able to get the crowd into the match better than Reigns will.

I'm thinking we could have a Goldberg-Lesnar type situation from WM20; a defending champion who'll be gone from the company the next day and is guaranteed to drop the title against the company's force-fed new "top guy". The result is so telegraphed, will people even care about what happens in the match?

The match itself is likely to be a slow, lumbering, slug-fest. The dynamic of the smaller Bryan trying to pick apart the bigger Lesnar, Lesnar dominating Bryan who refuses to give up and eventually wins out - classic David vs. Goliath.
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I agree with you there. You can already feel the smark sentiment is swinging from Reigns, and we were all on his dick when he was the silent tank in The Shield. The WWE have changed the dynamic with him, and he's just not there yet. The company might actually get more sympathy for him if they do "screw around" with his booking. They've booked him so well in a structural sense that it's actually sort of nauseating.

I guess they could gamble and go with Cena vs. Reigns for the World Title to close the show. The anti-smark brigade might be in favor of Reigns then. Still, I could see some sort of "bizarro-world" switch, where they actually begin rooting for Cena. In that case, Bryan could still face Lesnar, but I think it would lack the same power as Bryan reclaiming his championship.

I still think the best foot forward for the WWE is Brock vs. Bryan for the title (featuring Heyman's great promo work), Cena vs. Cesaro (I know the company seems sour on him, but the match itself would be great) and a Triple Threat between former Shield members. In addition to that, you've also got Triple H vs. Sting all but confirmed, and instead of Bray Wyatt vs. The Undertaker, have Bray single out The Rock for his Hollywood success deceiving people into thinking he some sort of superhero. Five huge matches offering something different, and in some cases, telling a WrestleMania-to-WrestleMania story.

Cena vs. Cesaro is the most unlikely out of all of them, due to Cesaro's positioning on the roster, but you could easily get a great story out of it. The Authority makes Cena vs. Lesnar at the Rumble a Street Fight or something. During the match, Cesaro makes an appearance and attacks Cena. Heyman smiles at Cesaro, who reveals on RAW that he did it because Vince McMahon himself said that he can't grab the brass ring, but he is going to do it this year, and he's re-aligning with the friend that can make it possible.

Cena wants to fight Cesaro for costing him the title, but Heyman tells Cena that his clients don't fight for free. Cesaro will face Cena, but he'll face him in 62 days at WrestleMania. The feud is basically Cesaro messing with Cena, and then bringing out a ring girl with the number of days until their Mania match written on a card. He can also do stuff like tell Cena he is holding off on the match because he wants Cena to be ready -- he wants to face the 15-time World Champion at his best.

What happens to the Cesaro/Kidd pairing? Why not keep it up, and have Kidd also get a good scouting from Paul Heyman? It could further the Kidd/Natalya stories, as Nattie could not approve of Kidd aligning with Heyman and Brock. Kidd says it's the best thing for his career, as Paul Heyman is angling him for an Intercontinental Title match at WrestleMania.

Ziggler vs. Kidd at WrestleMania for the IC Title might seem really unlikely too, but the match itself would be phenomenal, and again, offer a completely different style to the main events. Dolph would be over, Kidd would probably be getting good enough heat, and even if the Kidd push isn't sustained, it would be a nice little Mania moment for a guy who has helped out tremendously in NXT and really worked on developing a character.
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Or he could literally eat them. That promo on Monday night was clearly hinting at a cannibal storyline.
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Ziggler, Ambrose, and Cesaro would all have been decent choices, but WWE Management doesn't see something in them for whatever reason.
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I would be trying to build Kevin Owens for a babyface run in 2017 (ie Mania 33).

Lesnar would be my pick for walking out with the title at Mania as a babyface., I dont care if he is a part time performer.

If not him, I would be fine with Reigns if the story culminates with Reigns and Rollins for the belt (maybe even throw in Ambrose for fun). I dont see the problem with Reigns. Then again, I dont understand why people booo Cena.

Cesaro, Ryback, Ziggler are all missing something IMO, I cant see either of them being "the guy".
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There will be no new star until one of two things happen:

1. Cena suffers a catastrophic injury and they HAVE to make a new star.

2. Kevin Dunn is kicked out on his buck toothed ass.
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