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Old 06-10-2015, 01:40 AM   #161
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So you have not watched but know it's crap because the thread only made it to 4 pages?
True, could also be a sign that the show was good enough so people would watch it instead of chat about it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:18 AM   #162
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That the champion of the company loses non-stop and has 0 credibility. And he takes the title's credibility down with it. Why should anyone care about what happens to a title held by a jobber?
I feel like this is the intent though. He loses, but he wins when it matters. When he does win, he wins dirty, advancing his character.

Him being "champion" just multiplies the "ugh" factor that much more. He will lose eventually, and people will tune in for that.
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Old 06-10-2015, 07:53 AM   #163
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He is a chicken shit heel. He isn't suppose to be the best wrestler there is. He is suppose to win by being dirty. It makes everyone want to see him get his stuff pushed in.

I hate that Ambrose has the belt though. Everyone should want to see Rollins lose the belt but that has basically happened. Makes the moment less enjoyable when it does come.
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Old 06-10-2015, 08:47 AM   #164
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Its not like he loses all the time
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Old 06-10-2015, 10:57 AM   #165
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He does though. He doesn't even "win dirty". He can't even cheat his way to victory outside of one match a month basically. He loses all the time. If he were constantly finding ways to win through being a cunning/chicken shit heel, that would be fine. As it stands, the guy holding the most coveted title in the company is a jobber. It doesn't make sense.
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:13 AM   #166
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He is a chicken shit heel. He isn't suppose to be the best wrestler there is. He is suppose to win by being dirty. It makes everyone want to see him get his stuff pushed in.
Then he should be winning by being dirty as opposed to losing. Having the title on a guy who struggles to win so much only serves to bring the title down by making it clear that even a jobber can hold it. Now someone takes it from him and it's like "Oh, you won the title by pinning Seth Rollins. Cool. Feel like someone does that every week though. Including Jamie Noble. Whoopty doo."
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Old 06-10-2015, 11:52 AM   #167
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Do you even remember how he won the title? With the briefcase, and "jobber" COULD feasibly hold it. The fact that he has Authority's backing is what originally made him annoying ("YOU SOLD OUT!"), and now they're teaching him a lesson for lashing out at them a couple weeks ago and showing him that he DOES in fact need them. If he somehow manages to beat Ambrose clean (as clean as you can win a ladder match), then we have some different angles to look at. The seed of doubt was planted by The Authority, and now Seth really feels like he has something to prove.

Remember when Kane was talking about trying to show Seth how to be a REAL champion? This all still feels like part of that plan, and I'm interested to see how Sunday plays out. If you're not, I suppose you don't have to, but this definitely isn't the worst thing that has ever happened to us as fans. Plus, we'll get a good match.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:27 PM   #168
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He does though. He doesn't even "win dirty". He can't even cheat his way to victory outside of one match a month basically. He loses all the time. If he were constantly finding ways to win through being a cunning/chicken shit heel, that would be fine. As it stands, the guy holding the most coveted title in the company is a jobber. It doesn't make sense.
See how upset you are by it though? That is kinda the point. You are reacting as intended.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:27 PM   #169
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Do you even remember how he won the title? With the briefcase, and "jobber" COULD feasibly hold it.
Exactly... Do you think passing off the title as something a jobber could hold is NOT a bad thing?

Also, he was jobbing constantly before he was "being taught a lesson". One doesn't have to do with the other. It's not like he's jobbing to tell a story that's better in the big picture than your champion looking remotely credible.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:29 PM   #170
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See how upset you are by it though? That is kinda the point. You are reacting as intended.
No. I'm reacting to shitty booking. That's like saying putting the WCW title on David Arquette was brilliant because people hated it.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:40 PM   #171
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No. I'm reacting to shitty booking. That's like saying putting the WCW title on David Arquette was brilliant because people hated it.
lol - not even remotely the same.


He wins once a month which pisses you off because he isn't "credible" as a champ..... which is his entire gimmick.
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:42 PM   #172
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"champion who isn't credible" is a shitty gimmick. It worked for the hardcore title in the 24/7 rule era because that was the gimmick of the title. It was meaningless but it didn't need meaning. It was a silly prop. It doesn't work for the title that you expect people to pay to see defended because it means so much.

I assume their intent is for people to actually wanna watch to see him get what's coming to him. I don't. I've seen him job enough. I could care less if he jobs again or what happens to the title at this point. I highly doubt I'm reacting as intended. lol
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Old 06-10-2015, 12:44 PM   #173
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But it works.
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RE: Jobbers holding titles

In any sport, absolutely every team in the league has a CHANCE at winning the championship. WWE's landscape has some obviously more corrupt circumstances to put certain teams in those positions, but that's just something you have to suspend as a wrestling fan.

fan, do you not like the Money in the Bank premise?
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Oh, I hate the Money in the Bank premise. At least the way it's been executed.

As far as the jobbers holding titles thing goes, on one hand the landscape does lend itself to the possibility.

On the other hand, unlike legit sports, you have the ability to script it so your championship can have prestige and be meaningful. So you should do everything in your power to make that happen.
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The problem is that he is a credible champion that is portraying a non-credible champion. He had to do alot of stuff to prove his worth to be chosen by the Authority in the first place. He is like Wes Welker when he was on the Dolphins. He would destroy the Pats every time they played, so Belichick signed him up the first chance he got.
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Maybe...just MAYBE...Seth has always been capable of being a legit champion, which is what The Authority saw in him in the first place. After he joined them, he started getting comfortable and resting on his laurels, knowing that no matter what happened, The Authority would have his back. Now that he lashed out at them a bit, they see that he needs a reminder of who is REALLY pulling the strings, so that's what happened Monday...and maybe, just MAYBE it'll be what Seth needs to remember why they wanted him in the first place. He may walk out of this as more of a "bad ass" than ever before.

Maybe.
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