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Old 02-16-2010, 03:21 PM   #1
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TNA newcomer Orlando Jordan kissed a man prior to his match with Samoa Joe at last night’s iMPACT! taping in Orlando. The former WWE United States Champion was escorted to the ring by a man and a woman. He had his arms around both of them and kissed each prior to his match.

This reportedly didn’t go over well with everyone backstage in TNA as some felt the company “crossed the line” as it were. One TNA performer offered the opinion that the angle will turn off viewers from Spike considering it’s specifically geared towards men.

It’s worth noting that before Jordan’s release from World Wrestling Entertainment in May 2006, there were creative plans for him to be repackaged with a bisexual gimmick in a storyline involving former TNA performer Stephanie Finochio (a/k/a Trinity) and a friend of his with no prior background in the wrestling industry. While bisexuality is considered taboo in some wrestling circles, it was passed for Jordan since it’s his lifestyle in the real world. It should be noted that the storyline was Jordan’s idea because creative had no plans for him at the time.


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Old 02-16-2010, 03:28 PM   #2
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is this really such a big deal? i mean yeah, if edge & jeff hardy kissed i'd want pictures and video, but still....
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Old 02-16-2010, 03:34 PM   #3
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:16 PM   #4
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:26 PM   #5
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I guess it could work if they played it heel and made all of his opponents homophobes...but who's the real heel in that scenario? I think this is a bad idea, not because he's kissing a dude, but because there's really not much you can do with it.
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I guess it could work if they played it heel and made all of his opponents homophobes...but who's the real heel in that scenario? I think this is a bad idea, not because he's kissing a dude, but because there's really not much you can do with it.
theres a guy in japan that has a gay gimmick and he is the most over guy in the promotion, i cant remember his name but he is so fucking entertaining.

he does stuff like this
he's the guy in the blue loincloth
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guys kissing isnt cool tho, most girls dont like it and even fags probly think its kinda nasty. just cos OJ smokes cock in real life doesnt mean he needs to do it at work too. imagine if the notorious poo-pusher pat patterson had celebrated winning the IC belt by cumming on it and shoving it up his arse in the middle of the ring?!
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kareru, you really can't use Japan as a measuring stick. They have an inflatable doll that does moves on people and I think actually has some victories, don't they?
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:48 PM   #9
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I love that their excuse is the main demographic of Spike.

Basically said people who watch Spike are homophobic.
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They have an inflatable doll that does moves on people and I think actually has some victories, don't they?
It has at least one hahaha, and quite frankly that's not enough....
I wamt to see it make the move to WWE and be the latest monster heel that Cena overcomes under impossible odds.
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Yeah, that doll thing is sorta humorous, but I would hate to see that stateside. We already know wrestling is fake. No need to rub it in our faces.
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Old 02-16-2010, 04:56 PM   #13
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Really?
A Yoshihiko gimmick would probs be the next logically step for WWE in constantly reminding us what we're watching isn't a legitimate sport.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:00 PM   #14
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Some people might like it. I wouldn't.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:00 PM   #15
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:02 PM   #16
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I mean, the whole premise of professional wrestling is to make it look as real as possible, right? That doll gimmick isn't even trying. It'd be like if you were watching a sci fi movie, then all of a sudden an alien pulled off his mask and the actor started laughing at the viewer for buying into it. Sure, you knew it was fake all along, but you decided to play along and step into their world anyway...and they basically slapped you in the face for it. I'm rambling. Sorry.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:07 PM   #17
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If there were a legit reason for the gimmick, I'd be fine with it.

For example, when Al Snow fought himself. It worked because it was an insane gimmick. It wasn't about him wrestling air, it was about advancing the story.

That said, I could never see a reason for this type of gimmick.
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Wasn't the blow up doll mad at Undertaker for some reason and started to mock Taker's gimmick?

If any odd gimmick was to cross over, I'd like to see LADDER. One of the best champs DDT ever had.

Oh and as for the thread topic. I could care less and now I have Rainbow Express's theme in my head.
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I wouldn't even know what to think if WWE brought in a blow up doll as an on air persona....wrestling in matches, doing guest commentary...hell tna could even purchase their own doll and do an angle where WWE performers are invading their show.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:30 PM   #21
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The doll gimmick is freakin' genius (from an entertainment point of view), but only in Japan.
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I wouldn't even know what to think if WWE brought in a blow up doll as an on air persona....wrestling in matches, doing guest commentary...hell tna could even purchase their own doll and do an angle where WWE performers are invading their show.
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guys kissing isnt cool tho, most girls dont like it and even fags probly think its kinda nasty.
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guys kissing isnt cool tho, most girls dont like it and even fags probly think its kinda nasty. just cos OJ smokes cock in real life doesnt mean he needs to do it at work too. imagine if the notorious poo-pusher pat patterson had celebrated winning the IC belt by cumming on it and shoving it up his arse in the middle of the ring?!
I sense a homophobic disturbance in the force
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I sense a homophobic disturbance in the force
nope deffo not homophobic, i have no problem with gay guys who are stil a bit of a man tho i hate the wimpy fashion loving gays tho, there worse than women. dont get me started on dykes...utter waste of time
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Jordan's wanted to do this bisexual gimmick for the longest time, IIRC. He pitched it to WWE right before he left because the writers didn't have any ideas for him. The fact that he actually is bisexual probably helps in making the gimmick more believable (or respectful, instead of being one big gay joke like Billy and Chuck).

Edit: I should probably read that last paragraph before I post.

With that said, I don't know how long it'll last. I'll give them credit for doing something that WWE was even afraid of before they went PG, though.
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Orlando Jordan is hoping to improve bi-rates.
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guys kissing isnt cool tho, most girls dont like it and even fags probly think its kinda nasty. just cos OJ smokes cock in real life doesnt mean he needs to do it at work too. imagine if the notorious poo-pusher pat patterson had celebrated winning the IC belt by cumming on it and shoving it up his arse in the middle of the ring?!
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I love that their excuse is the main demographic of Spike.

Basically said people who watch Spike are homophobic.
And men who are professed homophobes sometimes react "favorably" to scenes of homosexual pornography, so maybe thats what they're getting at.
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All this japanese stuff you guys are posting is from a promotion that is based purely on comedy.

None of that would work in a promotion that takes itself seriously.
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All this japanese stuff you guys are posting is from a promotion that is based purely on comedy.

None of that would work in a promotion that takes itself seriously.
So it would work perfectly on WWE.
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Old 02-17-2010, 02:44 AM   #37
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I wouldn't even know what to think if WWE brought in a blow up doll as an on air persona....wrestling in matches, doing guest commentary...hell tna could even purchase their own doll and do an angle where WWE performers are invading their show.
Hey Al Snow gave everybody free Head every week. Can't beat that - or can you?
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Old 02-17-2010, 03:21 AM   #38
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BTW, I am totally fine with Jordan using this angle, mainly because I do not feel the need to panic and run screaming if a man should kiss another man - although, I see no reason to have him there (in TNA, or on TV) in the first place.
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I don't see the problem with the gimmick. Professional wrestling has had gay and ambiguous gimmicks before. And they will have more. It's a very simple way of getting a reaction from someone. It's not very sophisticated that a gay character pretty much has to be a heel, but it is being used for a heel, and if it makes the fans hate OJ, than more power to him. And when he turns face, they can tone down the shtick, but still make reference to it, and actually do their part for homosexual rights.

As for that Japanese stuff -- it really doesn't bother me. It is purely done for entertainment value. Hell, I actually got into that guy facing "the invisible wrestler." The dude mimed it to the point where you knew exactly what would have been going on if he was wrestling a real person.

CHIKARA does stuff like this. I think they had a character called "The Bear," who was some guy in a bear costume. I remember seeing a referee check him for foreign objects before a match, only to get mauled by The Bear. It's all harmless fun.

In a serious company it could be seen as a bit of a risk, but if they stressed it was all for entertainment, and made sure they presented it differently to their bread and butter angles, some comedy matches now and then would not hurt. You could even have a serious wrestler mock an "entertainment" wrestler (The Miz would be good for this), only for the comedy wrestler to hold their own against The Miz.

Eh, I don't see it as the death blow that other people do. It's obviously done with the concept that the guys in the ring are entertainers as well as athletes, and they occasionally wrestle competitively but aren't above getting in there and just doing something for giggles.
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