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View Poll Results: Who should conquer Brock Lesnar's title reign?
Roman Reigns 7 18.42%
Daniel Bryan 15 39.47%
Kharma 5 13.16%
Sting! Sting is here! Sting wants to challenge Brock Lesnar for the WWE World Title! 9 23.68%
John Cena 2 5.26%
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Old 08-21-2014, 12:31 AM   #81
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:10 PM   #82
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The ideal story line, for me, is for Brock Lesnar to put John Cena out "for good" at Night of Champions, beating him into oblivion and solidifying his spot as the most dominant force in the WWE. Daniel Bryan returns at the Rumble in the #30 spot and wins the thing. We then set up a huge underdog match with Bryan versus Lesnar heading into WrestleMania 31, where it looks like Bryan has no chance in hell to win the thing. Bryan gets put over huge during this time. I'd love to see Undertaker come out on RAW to warn Bryan about Lesnar, Bryan takes offense and slaps the Undertaker across the face before getting Tombstoned. At Mania, Bryan and Lesnar have an epic David versus Goliath encounter. Lesnar gets the upper hand thanks to Heyman, but either John Cena or CM Punk makes the save in their "big return" and help Bryan nab the win. Lesnar goes on another vacation with a huge payday and Bryan is back on top of the mountain.

But unfortunately, that's a dream scenario that will probably never happen.

We're either looking at The Rock coming back to beat Lesnar for the title, or Roman Reigns ascending to the number one contender spot via a Royal Rumble victory and defeating Lesnar in what will be a hugely boring and predictable match.
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:12 PM   #83
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How great would it be if Reigns wins the Rumble and the fans absolutely turn on him, ala Batista this past year, and someone like Ambrose or Bryan gets booked into the main event and wins it again.
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It should be Daniel Bryan. When he returns, the crowd is going to be white-hot for him. He may not be the best promo in the history of the business, but he is competent on the mic and people listen to what he has to say. He also gets his character. His injury is a blessing in disguise, because it means that Bryan could lose the World Title without actually being pinned or submitting. It gives him a solid claim and a story that is easy to get behind. Injury comebacks in wrestling work great too.

Bryan is one of the few stars in WWE that galvanizes both the casual fan and the hardcore smark into a frenzy of positive energy. He's also a top-notch worker and can get a great match out of a broomstick. That may not seem important when it comes to making money, but Bryan's ring skills are separate from other great workers' because they really connect with audiences. It's something that Dean Ambrose is starting to get, but it's not something that truly connects him with them yet.

Even if Bryan isn't the guy you solely want to bank on, you at least ride him for 2015 and until that horse stops making money. He may or may not be your long-term next mega-star, but if you set him up to be as important as possible, then it allows his competitive performances to enhance whoever he works with. For example: Roman Reigns and Brock Lesnar could have a real clunker at WrestleMania and the crowd might turn on Reigns and cheer Lesnar, giving us an underwhelming climax at WrestleMania 31 if Reigns wins the Rumble. But if Reigns and Bryan have a four-star match for the World Title post-Mania, Reigns suddenly seems deeper as a performer and gets more out of winning the title from the guy who beat the guy who beat The Undertaker at WrestleMania than he does from the predictable "Superman conquers villain at WrestleMania story."

There's a human dynamic with Bryan that just works, and it's got a lot of fresh characters to play off. Heyman and Bryan, for example, have barely interacted on-screen since Heyman's return to the company. How would that be for some fresh character work? Bryan becomes "The Man" and can work with anyone and make them seem like a big deal, all the while seeming vulnerable and like he could drop the title at any moment (despite clearly being the best wrestler in the world, from a kayfabe standpoint).

That being said, the support for Dean Ambrose does move me. I don't know if I'd go for Lesnar vs. Ambrose for the World Title, but I wouldn't mind the idea being teased. After RAW, with Ambrose presumably being out on the shelf for some time, I figured that it would make sense if Seth Rollins tried to cash in whilst he was out. At Night of Champions, Brock Lesnar and John Cena could have a more competitive match, after which Rollins' music can hit and he can bravely march down to the ring, looking like he intends to cash-in on Lesnar. Cue Ambrose jumping in from the crowd and attacking Rollins -- keeping his promise of always being there whenever Rollins plans to cash in.

It would make sense for Brock Lesnar to just make himself scarce under the orders of Heyman whilst this post-match brawl ensues, but imagine if Brock just watched as Ambrose drilled Rollins with Dirty Deeds in the middle of the ring and then the two stood down. Ambrose would be all crazy not backing down from Brock, while Heyman would be telling Brock he doesn't fight for free, etc.

It wouldn't come to anything, but if the plan is to then run Rollins vs. Ambrose in Hell in a Cell at the next PPV, then having Ambrose show some balls against Brock is a great way to give that match a main event rub.
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The ideal story line, for me, is for Brock Lesnar to put John Cena out "for good" at Night of Champions, beating him into oblivion and solidifying his spot as the most dominant force in the WWE. Daniel Bryan returns at the Rumble in the #30 spot and wins the thing. We then set up a huge underdog match with Bryan versus Lesnar heading into WrestleMania 31, where it looks like Bryan has no chance in hell to win the thing. Bryan gets put over huge during this time. I'd love to see Undertaker come out on RAW to warn Bryan about Lesnar, Bryan takes offense and slaps the Undertaker across the face before getting Tombstoned. At Mania, Bryan and Lesnar have an epic David versus Goliath encounter. Lesnar gets the upper hand thanks to Heyman, but either John Cena or CM Punk makes the save in their "big return" and help Bryan nab the win. Lesnar goes on another vacation with a huge payday and Bryan is back on top of the mountain.

But unfortunately, that's a dream scenario that will probably never happen.

We're either looking at The Rock coming back to beat Lesnar for the title, or Roman Reigns ascending to the number one contender spot via a Royal Rumble victory and defeating Lesnar in what will be a hugely boring and predictable match.
I agree with most of this. I can definitely see The Undertaker getting involved in the WrestleMania build-up of the feud. I'm not sure if they would have him endorse Bryan or tell Bryan "you've got no chance." I wouldn't do the Tombstone spot, but I'd consider having Taker tell Bryan he's going to get destroyed. Taker then begins a slow march away as Bryan says "NO!" and gets a chant going. Bryan tells Taker to stop right there. Taker can't believe the gall of this kid. Bryan says that he respects what Taker has done, but he's wrong. Daniel Bryan will beat Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. And when he's done that, he hopes Taker has the manhood to come out the next night on RAW and admit he was wrong.

This leads to a RAW After Mania moment where Taker congratulates Bryan on his WWE World Title win, and perhaps even presents him with the championship.
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Old 08-21-2014, 09:30 PM   #86
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Im one of the biggest Daniel Bryan haters around so hope he is done with wrestling. If he were to beat Lesner for the title it would turn me off of WWE tv. I just dont see what people like about him, kick after kick after kick to the legs and then a Beniot tribute via head but and cross face. WWE pushed him down our throughts and I just hated every second of it.
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Pushed????? He had one of the most organic runs to the top of all time. It was literally not planned, and shoehorned only because of the reaction he was getting night in, night out. And real nice, hoping a guy who busted his ass his whole life is done in the business, in his prime, right when he reached its highest level.

If he comes back and is white hot, I like the idea of Bryan. Cena also makes a lot of sense, but I don't think they can get enough of the fan base behind him. The fans want Cena to be destroyed, and that, imo, is going to dampen Brock's eventual loss. I don't think Reigns is ready. He's barely into a singles run, coming off his first initial feud. I think Ambrose would be more ready than Reigns at that point. In fact, I might like that. Guy is white fucking hot.
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He was pushed like cazy last year. If you dont think all those teasers for him winning the title wasnt part of a push your blind. The only good thing that could come of his return is if he is the face that turns Cena heel. Also just said hope he never wrestles again never wished anything bad on him or anything.
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He was not. He lost every feud he was in up until being shoehorned into the title scene. There were no hints, or teases that he was to main event. If Punk hadn't left, he would not have faced Triple H. Please show me where there were hints of his eventual face run. If you think Batista's return and RR win was supposed to flop and go the way it did, I think you're the one that is blind.
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Winning the title just to lose it second later is a tease. He beat Cena at a PPV thats a push.
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Well "im just a fan's" idea that Daniel Bryan is awful as a headliner and was definitely overpushed the moment he beat Cena and the idea of him beating Lesnar is fucking retarded is very accurate.

But Damian Rey's point that Daniel Bryan was only put in the main event of WrestleMania based on WWE having their arm twisted and they were not TRYING to push Daniel Bryan as a huge star all along but it happened via necessity based on crowd reactions is also very accurate.
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Then again, RDD'S "The wrestling forum sucks but I will still have strong opinions without stating a good reason because I am an emo douche who just wants to have an opinion" attitude is also very tempting.

I'll need a day to choose a side here.
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D Bry getting injured was the best possible thing that ever happened to him character wise. They were right in the middle of sewer fucking that title run so hard, and booking him like the weakest piece of shit champion. The second they have your first championship feud against Kane, is the second you know your run is going to be 3rd tier. At least the injury gave him an out and could potentially keep him fresh.
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I dunno I am not sure he will get it back.
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He did BEAT Kane in a war in the main event of the PPV. I'm not sure how that constitutes "being the weakest piece of shit champion". Who else could he have faced?
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It would be different if Kane was still booked as an unstoppable monster or something, but he isn't. For me, I have zero interest in Kane and find him to be one of the more ridiculous parts of WWE anymore, with all the mask, suit, mask, suit, mask, suit flip flopping.

The problem, as you asked, is who else could he have faced? They lack depth of credible main event heels (or did at that time outside of Lesnar). I guess I just don't see Kane as a legit threat to anyone or any title.
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Yeah, not many are (though as far as the lame "Gonna make Kane seem like a threat for the 20th time and hope people forget the 19 times he was made a glorified jobber" thing goes, that attempt wasn't all that bad). Kane might not be true main event caliber but he was on Daniel Bryan's level. Neither guy brought a big fight feel exactly. If you're a supporter of Daniel Bryan as a main event guy you should have been happy that he was actually main eventing the PPV as champion.
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I don't think him main eventing a PPV as a champ has anything to do with things so much as the championship playing 2nd fiddle to whatever "EPIC MATCHUP" is slotted for whatever PPV.

Bottom line is that Bryan puts asses in seats and is many times more entertaining than 90% of the active roster. He was white hot from the time he beat Cena clean for the title all the way up until he had to have surgery and they capitalized on it. It will be interesting to see what his return produces.
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The championship didn't play second fiddle though. They did what they could to build it up in a month despite Bryan missing Raws because of his honeymoon and his dad's death and then when the PPV came, he was THE main event. It wasn't like Benoit's reign where he was defending the title as a secondary feud while HHH-HBK main evented. The PPV actually closed with him retaining and he and the title were treated as the main attraction. That's really all they could do.
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Yeah, not many are (though as far as the lame "Gonna make Kane seem like a threat for the 20th time and hope people forget the 19 times he was made a glorified jobber" thing goes, that attempt wasn't all that bad). Kane might not be true main event caliber but he was on Daniel Bryan's level. Neither guy brought a big fight feel exactly. If you're a supporter of Daniel Bryan as a main event guy you should have been happy that he was actually main eventing the PPV as champion.
You are a contrarian and it is annoying. The feud was garbage, and trash t.v. He had the great main event win, and was then running away in fear of Kane even though he'd just beat him, It was fucking stupid. With a champ, you're in or you're out, you're not half in or half out. Wrestling Kane is a mid card gig, not championship feud material.
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I feel like if Bryan would not have gotten injured that his feud with Bray would have picked back up for a couple more months at least. Bray was getting bigger and bigger pops every time he came out at the time, so he may have ended up winning the title at some point in there. Would have been good, regardless; I think their feud was one of the better Bryan feuds and probably the best Bray has had other than maybe the Cena feud.
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You are a contrarian and it is annoying. The feud was garbage, and trash t.v. He had the great main event win, and was then running away in fear of Kane even though he'd just beat him, It was fucking stupid. With a champ, you're in or you're out, you're not half in or half out. Wrestling Kane is a mid card gig, not championship feud material.
*Midcard gig that main evented a PPV.

Was it a midcard gig when Cena was feuding with Kane?
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*Midcard gig that main evented a PPV.

Was it a midcard gig when Cena was feuding with Kane?
NO! Cuz, like, Cena and stuff.
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That match main evented a Elimination Chamber PPV when there were TWO Elimination Chamber matches.
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I feel like if the Kane/Bryan feud was done right, and hyped up with all their past history, it could have had a really big fight feel. Did they even mention at all, that they were tag champs and that their tag team success is what propelled Bryan to the main event?

On topic, of the three realistic options I honestly think Bryan is the best choice. Cena coming back and winning after suffering two defeats in a row is an okay story, but it's also kind of a lame and predictable story. And that's coming from someone who likes the guy and doesn't buy into all the usual "SUPER CENA WINS WTF" bullshit.

Reigns is an average talent with an above average look. That's it. I really don't see "The new face of WWE" in this guy. I can maybe buy him as a main eventer, in time, but certainly not the guy to topple the beast at Wrestlemania. He's just not good enough, and I don't see him getting good enough by April.

So that leaves Bryan. Of the three, he's got the best story. Guy spends over a decade wrestling around the world, honing his craft to finally make it to WWE. Scratches and claws his way to the WWE title just to have it snatched away by the authority. Fights tooth and nail throughout the rest of the year to overcome all the adversity stacked against him and reclaim the tile on the biggest stage of them all.....only to have the title snatched away thanks to unfortunate circumstances.

Then, when all other challengers have fallen, the one guy who gained popularity and stardom on the entire concept of overcoming odds, returns to overcome the biggest obstacle of his career, and finally win the title and keep it this time.
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*Midcard gig that main evented a PPV.

Was it a midcard gig when Cena was feuding with Kane?
It Main Evented (like Bryan/Kane), but was it interesting? Did it have a "Big Fight Feel"? I'd say no.

It was hokey. Kane is not a believable threat after all this time. Kane is a run-of-the-mill first title feud guy; you know he won't win so there's no drama.
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It Main Evented (like Bryan/Kane), but was it interesting? Did it have a "Big Fight Feel"? I'd say no.

It was hokey. Kane is not a believable threat after all this time. Kane is a run-of-the-mill first title feud guy; you know he won't win so there's no drama.
this is what i would have said if you hadn't come in and taken my heat



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Oh btw that's what I do, I make arguments personal because I'm very catty. C'mon fan, every fucking argument, you list maybe a quarter of the facts about what we're saying. Kane/Bryan was a dud, and it was booked to make Bryan look like a pile of deuce. When Cena faced Kane, it was hokey and fucking stupid, it was not a real main event feud. You've watched wrestling enough to know when someone is being booked strong, and someone is being booked down the shitter, in order to be like "oh we gave you the championship but you didn't stay over".
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and before you start going on about how they treated him the same as Cena... Cena had already had a damned near decade long run of beating every single god damned person in the company. And as has been brought up, if they actually booked Bryan's feud properly with Kane, maybe it could have worked, but instead it was fucking stupid like every main event Kane feud ends up turning into.

His first feud should have kept the same fire and had his same pluckiness, but instead he beats Kane and then is running in fear from him the next night, it was pure silliness, and if not done specifically to bury him and make him look weak, then the writing and booking team is not very smart. Maybe you should apply for a job Fan, seems like you'd fit in there #cattygorgeous
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I'm never sure if fan is a troll or just a natural shitbrain. I mean I like the guy, but jesus christ lol
No. The issue is certain people like you who hear something negative about Daniel Bryan and cry like a bitch and accuse anyone who disagrees of being a troll. Because if you say it, it must be true. The majority of Daniel Bryan supporters here I've actually had decent conversations with. And then there's your type who cries like a bitch because it shakes your world view that someone might have a legit point that he's not some fucking megastar in waiting so you have to jump to "LALALALALALA! NUH UH! YOU'RE JUST TROLLING! IT CAN'T BE! LALALALALALA!'

They put him in the main event and made him look like a beast by beating Kane in a war after they'd at the very least tried to book him as a monster... but yeah. No way the lack of a "big fight feel" could have had anything to do with the fact that Daniel Bryan is a natural mid-uppermidcard guy who doesn't have the ability to bring the big fight feel. So it MUST be WWE's fault somehow.
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And I don't know. Seems like if they were specifically trying to bury a guy and make him look weak, building up his opponent as practically not human and then having him beat the guy to retain the title in a hardcore match to end the PPV wouldn't have been the plan...
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No way the lack of a "big fight feel" could have had anything to do with the fact that Daniel Bryan is a natural mid-uppermidcard guy who doesn't have the ability to bring the big fight feel. So it MUST be WWE's fault somehow.
This is the only part I really disagree with, and it isn't because of any opinion of Bryan at all, simply that Kane never seemed like a credible threat whatsoever. I think that is what most are conveying as well.
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Im one of the biggest Daniel Bryan haters around so hope he is done with wrestling. If he were to beat Lesner for the title it would turn me off of WWE tv. I just dont see what people like about him, kick after kick after kick to the legs and then a Beniot tribute via head but and cross face. WWE pushed him down our throughts and I just hated every second of it.
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This is the only part I really disagree with, and it isn't because of any opinion of Bryan at all, simply that Kane never seemed like a credible threat whatsoever. I think that is what most are conveying as well.
They built the feud to give Bryan a rub though. You can say Kane wasn't a huge threat as a challenger because of his recent history but they built him up over the preceding month, gave him the mask and the invincible monster character back just to put Bryan over as champion. It makes absolutely no sense to claim that they spent a month building Kane up as a monster again and then having Bryan go over him in an extreme rules match (again... in THE main event where Bryan defending the title was treated as THE main attraction of the card) specifically to derail Bryan's reign and make him look weak. It's just... insane levels of conspiracy theory.
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