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Old 04-10-2016, 12:40 PM   #1
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DISCUSSION - What should be the "contigency plan" if Roman Reigns FAILS as the Top BabyFace?
DISCUSSION - What should be the "contigency plan" if Roman Reigns FAILS as the Top BabyFace?

What if things do not pan out with Reigns and fans start giving Reigns the dreaded "X-Pac heat?" (I haven't watched WWE in over a year and so maybe its already happening?). Do you go back to Cena? Do you bring back Rollins as a face and make HIM "the guy?"


What about a guy like Randy Orton? Orton is obviously winding down, but perhaps 1-2 years of being "the guy" as a babyface could work while the next guy (Sammy Zayn, Kevin Owens) is getting groomed? Do you shell out more money to Lesnar so he can work more dates, and make HIM "the guy" for a few years? Is there any hope for Cesaro still? Can Bray Wyatt ever be the top face?


What would YOU do if you were in charge of the WWE, and came to the realization that Roman Reigns should not be "the guy" for the new era?
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:00 PM   #2
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My personal opinion, is that I'd go back to Cena while gauging the crowd responses to Seth Rollins (I'd bring back Rollins as a face, and see if the fans' cheer Rollins long term as opposed to just a 2-3 week "return pop"). If Rollins continues to garner large crowd responses, then you can slowly turn Reigns heel.


At some point, you can then have Rollins go over both Reigns and Cena as a face.


If Rollins doesn't work as a face however, then just have him go heel again after his 'return pop' dies down.


Keep Cena as your top guy until someone like Kevin Owens or Sami Zayn is ready for the next step.
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I feel that fan apathy and the shitty handling of most guys on the roster means that the next "guy" probably isn't on the main roster or even NXT. they have never had a top guy be a non-heavyweight (Eddy and Benoit were transitional champs, at best), so I don't see a Zayn or Balor as face of the company guys just based on 30 years of company history. The y'll probably run with Seth as a face and see how it goes.
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They won't acknowledge failure. They'd have done so a good while ago if they ever planned to. The only way they'll turn to a contingency plan is if he gets injured.
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You don't really need a single guy "guy" if you have a collective of young guys that people want to see. Ambrose, Ryder, Zayn, Ziggler, Rollins, among others could be major fan favorites with the proper build.....Cena will always draw until the day he retires, but the numbers will eventually dwindle (if they haven't already), so the more over faces they have, the better imo
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Old 04-10-2016, 01:46 PM   #8
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I think they should turn Roman Reigns into a super cheesy over the top face that everyone boos. Stick him with John Cena as his manager and the kids will still buy the shirts bc he's technically a face and all the adults will boo. Then you feed him to Lesnar. That idea is a perfect 5/7
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Samoa Joe gets called up and Roman is obsessed with him. Goes as far as changing his name to Samoa Roman. Joe kicks his ass and we don't see him for awhile.
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Like Theo said, they'll just chug along and not acknowledge failure.

Would be nice to see Orton get a short stint as "the guy" though. He was perpetually over as a face and has all the tools to be a top guy but he always had to play second fiddle to Cena. Orton should have been right there behind him for years though. Now would be a good time to bring what he brought to Smackdown years ago as champion to a bigger stage while they try to actually build up some new guys.
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Back on topic - the idea of giving the ball to Orton for awhile (i.e. if Orton can physically handle the load, and if Reigns flops) appeals to me as well.

I was a huge Orton mark 10 years ago and was initially angry that his push was curtailed (until years later, it was revealed as to how immature he was backstage).

In 2016 however, I'm sure that he's a lot more mature and would be ready to be a legit lockerroom leader.

WWE will likely opt to go with Rollins or Cena however (or flat out keep pushing Reigns as others in this thread have mentioned).
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Samoa Joe gets called up and Roman is obsessed with him. Goes as far as changing his name to Samoa Roman. Joe kicks his ass and we don't see him for awhile.
I could go for this if we call him Samoman Reigns, he carries a huge knife and gets kidnapped by ninjas.
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Build up Rollins to be the new mega star while also building up the midcard to be a lot stronger so in case Rollins also doesn't work or struggles, there would be plenty of potential other big stars available to swap around.
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Rollins doesn't exactly have "mega star" written all over him.
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Well he has failed already so when they admit failure it will go back to Cena. Lesner will probably be the transitional champ to get it from Reigns to Cena because they wont want Cena vs Reigns becuase you cant have the two goodie goodies do battle.
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Should have just kept the title on Lesnar until a true mega-face could be built up to end his reign of terror in an epic moment. (Johnny Curtis)
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I think that Orton is out of the question due to his 2 Wellness Policy violations, otherwise we'd see him pushed far more aggressively than he had been in recent years. Still seems crazy that he had that 7 month title reign 2 years ago.
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Considering how gung ho they are over reigns and not letting go of him, it is confounding that they are so unwilling to push people the live crowd gives consistent positive reactions to. Take a chance on someone, whether it be Ambrose, Zayn, Styles, Big E, Nakamura, or whomever the hell, use common sense to showcase their strengths as performers and just stick with the push and let them flourish without over producing all of their segments, keeping an organic personal feel, over a mechanized corporate feel.

Any time Roman gets crapped on or ratings are shit, it's not his fault.... It's the crowds fault, it's the guy he's feuding withs fault.... But if anyone else faulters a bit.... Well they just don't have "it"
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If he fails they should go to the extreme and shoot for he moon.

Bring up Balor and put the strap on him as fast as possible. He's a sure fire star, they should treat him like one from day one like they did Brock Lesnar.
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I would have Reigns go until SummerSlam as champion. You're in now. There's the possibility that you bring in Karl Anderson & Luke Gallows to be his Roman Empire and feud with Styles & Balor, but the WWE already have a lot of tag teams they are trying to get over.

I'd probably mimic the open challenge stuff Cena was putting on, and try to get Reigns associated with fresh main events for the title that deliver. At SummerSlam I have Brock emerge as the challenger, and Reigns loses the belt after a valiant effort.

At SummerSlam I also have Cena vs. Joe -- two friends with an interesting physical and personality dynamic between them. Joe actually wins that match, and Cena responds by vowing that he will prove he's still got it and will be champion again. Cena goes on to win the 2017 Royal Rumble, his record-tying third win, and he challenges Brock for title #16 at WrestleMania.

You might feel that Brock vs. Cena is played out or whatever, but it's never happened at WrestleMania, their story was actually left without a conclusion, and Brock and Cena are obviously the WWE's two biggest in-ring stars at this point in time. Cena could even put his career on the line in order to motivate himself, with Heyman telling Cena that he doesn't need the stipulation, because Brock is going to end his career for him anyway.

Joe can face Orton in a feature match that has got that vibe of a WWE prototype against an indy darling, but both guys have this "killer" feel about them. A Coquina Clutch spot into an RKO would be fucking sweet, as would an RK-Joe at some point. I was actually justifying giving Orton the win to myself, but if you go with Cena winning the title to close Mania, then building Joe for the rematch there is obviously smart business.

Oh, and you also have the Shield Triple Threat. Maybe the stench of not being the next Austin/Rock/Hogan has washed off Reigns by this point, but I'd imagine him as turning heel heading into this match or coming out of it. Dean Ambrose would be my pick for Money in the Bank Winner this year, so I have him put the briefcase on the line here, and Reigns grabs the pin and uses the briefcase to cash in on Cena after Joe does the hard work or something.
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Fans would be hot if they split up Bullet Club for Reigns. Not sure what your going for there Noid. Feel like Bullet Club is coming pretty soon whether it be Balor Club or Bulltproof or what ever. Personally I'd like to see all 4 of them together but you never know what WWE will do with them.
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They'd just start dubbing over all the heat and continue shoving him down people's throats until the people's spirits were finally broken and they just accepted it or gave up on the product like I pretty much did at 'Mania... That said if it were up to me the contingency would be pushing Ambrose to the moon in his place. Failing that a shot for Rollins could work too.
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Roman Reigns isnt a babyface.

The office doesnt arbitrarily decide who is face and who is heel. How they are booked doesnt either.

How you react to them is the absolute only thing that governs face and heel.

The WWE is so far beyond traditional kayfabe face heel concepts and no one has even begun to notice just how worked the whole thing is.

More over they have made themselves into the heel and the audience into the face.

They arent after boos and cheers, theyre after water cooler talk, but its on a meta level. The business is now business.

They have adapted into the post-internet world, the fan base has not yet noticed.
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Doesn't really make any sense, since while we'll bang on about wrestling here since we've all watched since we were about 4 years old, I don't think there's much water cooler talk outside of wrestlemania. I can tell you not a single one of my friends watches wrestling.
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Also, "I'm not a good guy, I'm not a bad guy, I'm THE guy" comes across as they think he's gonna be some tweener badass, when really it just sounds like a tagline de jour that Saxton and Cole will constantly force down anyone who is stupid enough to watch's throat. When all that will happen is he'll either get booed, or no reaction at all. Ratings will stay meh, buyrates will stay meh and RAW will remain generic shit.
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Doesn't really make any sense, since while we'll bang on about wrestling here since we've all watched since we were about 4 years old, I don't think there's much water cooler talk outside of wrestlemania. I can tell you not a single one of my friends watches wrestling.
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So their product is trying to troll us with flat matches and flat promos and generic characters?
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:12 PM   #34
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Maybe they are, and some of the booking suggests as such, but that is dumb as fuck. People generally just like and will watch good storytelling and larger than life characters.
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Old 04-10-2016, 08:13 PM   #35
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For me, I honestly JUST started watching again even close to regularly, I don't envision it lasting very long unless they are able to make RAW not fucking painful to watch. I'm sure as RAW drops to the low 2s they'll be jacking off over how much smarter they are than the internet.
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So their product is trying to troll us with flat matches and flat promos and generic characters?
You say troll, i say heat. You arent invested in workers and havent been for a decade. Youre invested in the office. In the process. And they know it. The mid card is the hope. It strings you right along, but babies on top dont draw. First it was cena now its reigns. The cycle continues on.
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lol Destor I love you but you're reeking of trying really hard to be in the "know" here. Personally, I couldn't give a fuck about the office as long as the on screen product is actually enjoyable. The only time people care about the "process" is when the product is shit and we don't like what we see. If it's good, we focus on what happened on our televisions.


If your focus is that meta, you really need to reevaluate why you're doing this.
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Let's do it this way then: let's see how long it takes them to abandon the reigns ship. If its not working to their goals then logically they will change course.

What's fair? 3months? 6? The remainder of his viability? Im willing to wager that not knly will the contiue to ride this poney for however long it continues to deliver exactly what it is now but ill also say they will replace him with someone just as... "polarizing."
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And none of changes this very simple truth: the office doesnt determine whats a face and what a heel is. Your ears do.
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