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Old 01-13-2010, 06:51 AM   #41
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Old 01-13-2010, 06:53 AM   #42
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ROFL at Conan going over his options, "Leave television altogether, and work in a classier business with better people, like hard core porn."

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Old 01-13-2010, 10:14 AM   #43
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You just know Conan's got the equipment for hardcore porn. I've also heard that he is quitting, but that it seems likely FOX will give him a show at 11, which will step on Jay's feet by a good half-hour. Hopefully Conan does his opening monologue, a comedy bit, has a guest, and then does another big comedy bit, or has a huge second guest to keep Jay on his toes.

CoCo doesn't quite have the sticking power that Leno has just yet, but starting earlier would give him a good advantage, won't it? Now NBC really doesn't have anyone they can replace Leno with. I hope we see the walls start to crumble on them. Even if they aren't big winners, Conan and Letterman can have a good laugh about it.
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I don't know if he'd beat Leno head to head... The bigger issue though, is that Conan is liked by younger people, and the audience will grow with him. If Conan leaves, WHEN Leno finally does retire, they won't have anyone for the spot... Conan would destroy Fallon
Yes but the majority of people right now are baby-boomers who enjoy Leno.
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Old 01-13-2010, 12:11 PM   #45
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I like Conan O'Brien, and I don't blame him for being mad. I would to. NBC really screwed up here.

Conan still has to change up his act. Just watching last night there was no way older people like my parents would be able to watch that.
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Old 01-13-2010, 04:49 PM   #46
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Well unlike Jay I think Conan can do something other than talk shows if he has to or chooses to. He was involved with SNL and The Simpsons before his talk show career.
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Fucking weakest shit I've ever heard in my life, ever

Glad to see Conan is giving it to NBC and is standing up for himself
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lol "My name is Conan O'Brien, and I may soon be available for children's parties"
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Leno apparently is also considering leaving, which would fuck over NBC completely.

"Its the Tonight Show...with Jimmy Fallon!"

eh..dont think so
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Conan and whoever handles his negoations are really dumb for not getting 11:35 in his contract.
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Think they're pretty right about the "implied guarantee" though. Seriously, if the show has been in the same spot for the last 30 or so years, wouldn't you figure it'd stay there?

Leno's show was a new one so his timeslot guarantee was a bigger deal.
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Conan has been laying it in harshly tonight.

"Remember kids, you can do anything you want to do in life, unless Jay Leno wants to do it too."

"NBC spent more time building this studio then they did using it."

"Much like Conan O'Brien, most of his staff and crew also uprooted and moved from New York...:
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LOL, Classic Tonight Show Moment.
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Conan and whoever handles his negoations are really dumb for not getting 11:35 in his contract.
This is ridiculous. His contract guaruntees him salary. They can do what they want with the programming, they just have to honor their financial obligations. If they were to let him go they'd eat the salary and value their decision as more valuable.
You can't expect a contract to be ironclad as to being on the air. A network is going to have to arrange their schedule as they see fit. They'll just have to pay the price for it.
A contract won't and can't have a clause that guaruntees being on the air when you want. If 0 people were watching and he was eating babies they wouldn't be able to take him off TV because he's got it in writing? Yea, that's not how it works.
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The reason 11:35 wasn't in writing is because, per the contract, they can start it as late as 12:05. That was in place because sometimes sports games push everything back.
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This is ridiculous. His contract guaruntees him salary. They can do what they want with the programming, they just have to honor their financial obligations. If they were to let him go they'd eat the salary and value their decision as more valuable.
You can't expect a contract to be ironclad as to being on the air. A network is going to have to arrange their schedule as they see fit. They'll just have to pay the price for it.
Air on the side of the caution and get it in there.
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It's the same reason a baseball player doesn't get it in their contract to bat cleanup in every game regardless of production or other players.
The money's guarunteed though. He just should have gotten Jay Leno insurance.

Seriously, Leno needs to take a hike. I've always liked his show, but sliming something like this back is a lesson he should have learned in preschool. You just don't do it. It's Conan's now and that was the plan.
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Air on the side of the caution and get it in there.
Thats what I'm saying. It's not going to be in there. It's just an outrageous demand.
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Leno apparently is also considering leaving, which would fuck over NBC completely.
Too late to save face, Mr. Leno
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He's probably getting feelers from the outside. Obviously he's proven he's enough of a snake to bail out for a bigger contract from Fox or something, even after causing this.

If they were to both walk, and Leno signed with Fox, and Conan just didn't go anywhere...wow
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The irony is, if Leno leaves, Conan doesn't have to.
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but if Conan already has, and doesn't come back, NBC gets the shaft. Unfortunately, then Conan does too. Unless he swallows his pride and goes back to NBC, which I wouldn't.
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Conan hasn't left NBC yet, or said he's going to.

All Conan has said is that he won't host the Tonight Show at 12:05. Technically, the ball is back in NBC's court.
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Conan should go to Comedy Central and have an awesome 2 hour block of funny with his Tonight Show, The Daily Show, and the Colbert Report
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They say they plan to resolve it, but Conan apparently wasn't even in on discussions about the Leno move. He's been left out of the loop, and I think that is a huge part of the reason he is pissed, and understandably so. It's a horrible thing to not be given the same chance as the guy who replaced you, only to be replaced by him again; but it's even worse when they don't tell you about it until the last minute. Conan's got a family, and I think it hits everyone involved in the show pretty hard, too -- as they were all pretty much Conan's New York Late Night crew. Conan personally looks like a massive jackass because he brings them and their families over to Los Angeles, and then has to tell them "Sorry, you're jobless."

I'm glad he's not backing down. I think NBC will be watching to see how Conan's ratings do through this scandal. It apparently took Leno two years to beat Letterman, so if Conan can get some "angry momentum" on his side, who knows? I don't know if Leno's move is just to save public image -- but Conan has ensured that Leno and NBC look like assholes. If Conan leaves NBC, then the stigma of Leno and NBC being jerks is going to be there.

Another thing that NBC has to think about, is that they don't really have anybody besides Conan to carry on The Tonight Show when Jay retires (not that he probably plans to). If they're just trying to save Leno, then they might be better off cutting him free, so that HE can go to FOX, and then they can look like "nice guys" for taking Conan's side. I mean, Leno and his fan-base are eventually going to die. They should really start warming people up to his successor now. It's not going to be Jimmy Fallon. Well, it shouldn't be.

I'm still curious to see how this turns out. I can honestly see momentum starting to shift sides. Partially because Conan has not taken the hit like NBC probably expected him to.
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Old 01-14-2010, 03:36 AM   #70
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Conan should go back to writing The Simpsons
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If Conan returns to FOX, doing something with The Simpsons and/or one of the Seth MacFarlane shows would be an excellent way to publicise himself.
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That would be a big step back IMO and I don't think he needs to do that.
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That would be a big step back IMO and I don't think he needs to do that.
I agree that full-time writing would be a step back. Writing an episode of The Simpsons, ala Ricky Gervais, could be a great way to remind people how funny Conan O'Brien can be via a different medium.

Appearing on the shows as a voice actor also wouldn't hurt. Certainly not internationally, anyway. I'm disappointed by how many Australians I've met actually don't have a clue who Conan O'Brien is. And yes, I am aware that Conan has played himself on The Simpsons before.
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SALT LAKE CITY, Jan. 13 /PRNewswire/ -- Mrs. Fields has officially offered a job to Conan O'Brien should he end up leaving the Tonight Show at NBC. The national cookie company states that O'Brien has his pick of working at any of their over 300 stores nationwide, or at their corporate offices in Salt Lake City, UT. Details of the position as well as salary are pending negotiations and interest from O'Brien.
"At the age of 22 Conan applied for a job at Mrs. Fields, but sadly never received a call back," explained John Lauck, President of Mrs. Fields. "We want to officially call you back, and make amends for what we now know was a huge oversight in talent recruitment."
Mrs. Fields Famous Brands, which also owns TCBY, The Country's Best Yogurt, additionally stated that should O'Brien's interest in cookies no longer be as strong, he is eagerly invited to enter This Could Be Yours, the Great TCBY Store giveaway. Should he win this national contest, Conan would find himself the owner of a brand new TCBY store in a location of his choosing
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Jay Leno is back on at 11:35. I think he starts back on the 25th.

So I guess Conan is going to be out.
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Yeah, apparently the new deal has been reached with Leno. Jeff Zucker is apparently pissed off that Conan has been as out-spoken as he has been, and that his ratings have gone up, and is trying to keep him off the air for three years (probably something similar to one of the WWE's no-compete clauses), so that he isn't a threat when he moves. Conan has apparently trying to make sure NBC looks after the staff that uprooted from New York to move to California.

Pretty intense stuff. I feel so sorry for Conan, but he is way too honest a person to be hosting a gig like that. He's been part of the greatetst talk show institution of all-time, so now he can hopefully create his own.
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Obviously TPWW is not in the Jay Leno demographic. Here are what some Jay Leno fans have to say (from the Jay Leno Community at http://boards.nbc.com/nbc/index.php?showforum=366

MY HUSBAND AND I LOVED JAY AT 11:35. LOVED HEADLINES, LOVED JAY WALKING, LOVED MONOLOGUE. Now at 10 it's AWFUL Hate the format...hate seeing Jay look so uncomfortable sitting without a desk next to the guest. The whole thing is awkward. And even though we'd outgrown the Letterman show, we went back to it because we HATE CONAN. He's annoying...NOT FUNNY...just awful. He has a "niche" group, but the ratings are clear. ALL DEMOGRAPHICS prefer Jay to Conan. They wanted the 18-49 set? You lost them with Conan! But putting Jay back for 1/2 an hour will AGAIN mess w/ what was right before. JAY, DON'T TAKE THIS FROM NBC. They screwed you by taking your #1 show off and moving you to 10 to make room for Conan. Now, they NEED YOU. Don't agree to 1/2 hour. It's all or nothing! Unless you're going to eliminate guests and just do a monologue, Jay walking, headlines and go...it's not going to work if you try to cut those things and get guests in. The stations around the country are insisting you come back, you have the ball. Don't allow them to continue to pamper Conan and screw you. STAY FIRM. YOU'RE IN THE DRIVER SEAT!!

Jay has proven himself as the ratings leader against Letterman, who is one boring dude. He had the best combination of format & writers on the Tonight show. Now it is obvious that he should hold the Tonight show spot. I like Conan, but he gets too silly. Jay had the right formula, but it was taken from him in Prime time. He is the closest performer to Jonny Carson. Letterman can't compete. I followed Jerry Lester, Steve Allen, Jack Paar, Johnny Carson, and Jay Leno. He belongs back on the Tonight Show.Give Conan to Fox. You won't be sorry. Let the red necks have him. For you people who want change, we'll bring back Soupy Sales to throw pies at people. You probably would have changed Johnny Carson!

Dude. I'm 31... now I don't know if you consider that "old" but I find it odd that you're calling someone who's been busting his ass as a comedian longer than either of us has been alive 'unfunny'. Have you ever seen Jay do actual standup? He's a master at it; try looking beyond your percieved coolness and check it out sometime. He wouldn't have gotten where he is if he weren't funny. Conan is funny but his type of humor just isn't working in that timeslot, and the ratings prove it.

My wife and I happen to like the current lineup just the way it is. Jay's show is different, and it should be! Conan and Jimmy are doing just fine.
In my opinion, the local affilliates are clueless as to how to present a local newscast that actually invites viewers. Blame the national network for their own shortcomings.

NBC would be best served by yanking Conan off The Tonight Show and reinstating Jay. Conan has clearly shown he isn't up to the job, and certainly isn't the same caliber as all the previous Tonight Show hosts, all of whom appealed to all age groups. With Conan appealing mainly to the 18-49 demographic, he isn't capable of pulling in the viewers and ratings that Jay is at that hour.

If Conan objects, pay off his contract and let him walk. His fans can then find him on a channel where his juvenile humor is more suitable, with the listing of fill-in host of The Tonight Show as part of his resume. When his humor matures to the point where he can appeal across demographic lines, he may then be ready for the major leagues. As of now, he isn't.

I always watched Jay at 11:35. I thought I was going to like Jay at 10 pm, but somehow I never got in the habit of regularly watching it. The interviews on couches, not from behind a desk, felt wierd and lots of times the humor fell flat.
I'll be happy to see Jay back at late night, because I do not like Conan's monologues and skits. I;ve been watching Letterman, but he's not the same. Jay's monologues, headlines, and Jay walking, things found at discount stores - those are great. But it really should be an hour show, if not he won't be able to have any guests, especially musical guests.
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Wow. Apparently Jeff Zucker is threatening to keep Conan off the air all together for the next 3.5 years until his contract runs out.

What a fucking narcissistic asshole
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Yeah, I'm hating NBC and Leno more and more.
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