Watchmen - Page 4

**McLegend** · 03-08-2009, 04:38 AM

I'm on chapter 7 in the book. Can't wait to get it done and see the movie.

It's kick ass so far.

**BigDaddyCool** · 03-08-2009, 11:05 AM

Watchmen was pretty good.

**YOUR Hero** · 03-08-2009, 11:08 AM

I didn't care for this movie. It was somewhere between a "

" and a "

" for me.

There were elements I liked about it, but it didn't work for me. Maybe knowing the characters before hand would make it better, dunno.

**Inadequacy** · 03-08-2009, 07:35 PM

I kinda liked the new ending.

It just fit in place better I found. I'm not knocking the original ending, but the new one just seemed less...detached?

**Buzzkill** · 03-08-2009, 08:09 PM

Pretty lame. Stick to the book.

**ron the dial** · 03-08-2009, 08:51 PM

so good. definitely above my expectations. a few things that don't sit right with me, but overall i have to say extremely well done.

**Triple Naitch** · 03-08-2009, 09:12 PM

The only thing that really bothered me was that Dr. Manhattan's cock is dangling through pretty much the entire movie.

**ron the dial** · 03-08-2009, 09:17 PM

i drew the dick blue because i've never seen a blue dick before. and to be honest, i wanted to see a blue dick.

**Juan** · 03-08-2009, 09:21 PM

O'DOYLE RULES!

**Boondock Saint** · 03-08-2009, 10:51 PM

Enjoyed it very much so.

**PorkSoda** · 03-09-2009, 04:41 AM

I heard this movie is gorey. Like Saw gore. Is that true?

*HIdes behind a pillow*

**FearedSanctity** · 03-09-2009, 06:24 AM

Not even close

**BigDaddyCool** · 03-09-2009, 09:32 AM

I never finished the comic book, so I didn't really catch that the ending was different. Guess I better finish it...

**Impeccable** · 03-09-2009, 10:38 AM

Great film...just glad they didn't show Dr. Manhattan's cock when he was 100ft tall...I was in the front row and it woulda probably twatted me

**BigDaddyCool** · 03-09-2009, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Impeccable

Great film...just glad they didn't show Dr. Manhattan's cock when he was 100ft tall...I was in the front row and it woulda probably twatted me

I would have been glad if they didn't show anyone's cock. But there was way to much naked dudeds in the movie. I'm glad we never had to see Comedian's naked ass.

**Mr Regal** · 03-09-2009, 11:15 AM

Good movie, i really enjoyed it. The big blue cock did become quite distracting though. I am also in love with the chick in it...she is ridiculously hot in every scene she is in.

**Good Ol JG** · 03-10-2009, 09:13 AM

Loved the book, really liked the film. I'm still divided about the new ending, but it wasn't terrible like I thought it might be. I think it's the best comic adaptation yet. The characters were spot on for the most part, and Snyder did a great job of bringing panels from the book alive on screen. The only real criticism I have is I think they took a lot of stuff away from Ozymandias, I think he came off as more of a straight villain in the film instead of a gray area villain like he was in the book. But, overall, I think it was pretty sweet.

**Fignuts** · 03-10-2009, 08:38 PM

I agree with blitz on rorschach's origin. Probably one of the last things I would have cut. Still loved it, and I don't think the giant squid would have worked on the big screen like it worked in the book. Frankly, I like the movie ending better, as I felt the book ended rather abruptly after the squid twist. In the film it just felt a little more fleshed out.

And I likeDr. Manhattan as the framed catalyst, rather than some fake alien squid thing that had only been slightly aluded to once or twice in the book. The films ending just meshes better with the rest of the story, imo.

**Jeritron** · 03-10-2009, 11:09 PM

I too prefer the movie ending. On a thematic level, it works better. It's a stronger sacrifice for Dr. Manhattan, and it gives meaning to his return. In the book, he basically just returns for Silk Spectre after re-discovering the value of human life. But then he just leaves, because once again he has no reason to be on earth. His final trip away from earth carries little meaning aside from the fact that he now appreciates human life. You could argue that the only reason they have him return at all in the book, on a plot level, is to be there to kill Rorschach.

In the film version, all of that is kept intact, only now he leaves for a reason. To allow the life he now appreciates to continue on peacefully. It's a sacrifice, not a vacation.
Since he is a character who undergoes so much change, and is so complex, I think this new ending which revolves around him more, is far better.
Just my view.

**UmbrellaCorporation** · 03-10-2009, 11:17 PM

I still can not get over this movie. Loved it.

None of the characters were boring, IMO, and I chomped at the bit to see any scene with Rorschach, Manhattan, and most especially, Veidt.

Definitely gonna see this again.

**Jeritron** · 03-10-2009, 11:19 PM

The realization of these characters was the biggest strenght IMO. There were many strenghts, including the visuals, the structure and style, and the direction.
The character development and performances are what really made this movie come together though.

**Vastardikai** · 03-12-2009, 01:07 AM

I saw Watchmen today on IMAX (first time ever seeing an IMAX movie.) here's my thoughts:

*Holy shit are IMAX screens huge. And the sound is amazing. I wish I had seen the second run of the Dark Knight on IMAX, now.

*The trailer for the new Transformers movie is great. Too bad Shia Labouff is still in it.

*Character development was immense, like 'tron said. I was impressed with how and what made these people operate.

*I like Silhouette. Despite having only a small part in the movie, she was my favorite of the Minutemen. Anyone can guess why.

*Rorschach's mask is definitely gonna end up as a tattoo at some point. Probably the most awesome hero ever.

*Dr. Manhattan needs some pants on.

*Silk Spectre II is insanely hot. And yet she falls for the dorkiest guy of the bunch... Oh yeah, this is a comic book cliche more than anything else. Seriously though, she has a killer ass that I wanted to violate. And, kudos to the director for making the sex scene actually have context. 300 had just "What would a free man do," and then sex. I said to myself at the commencing "A FREE MAN WOULD FUCK!"

*It wasn't Saw gory. It was more like 300 gory. Brutal killings and stuff.

* The Comedian would so fuck the Punisher up.

* "Nobody wants a Cowboy in the Oval Office!" was perhaps the most subtle line ever.

*You know, between Watchmen and 300, I think the director is seriously trying to tell us that he's all for meaty cock. I mean, 300 had a bunch of dudes in red capes & speedos. I've watched wrestling for almost 20 years, so It's not the presence of dudes in red capes & speedos. The sheer multitude is what was a little over the top. Then of course, we got Cocktor Manhattan. It's one thing that he's running around butt naked. It's another thing that Rorschach or somebody else didn't just say "Dude, put some pants on." They were perfectly normal with him running around, blue dick flapping in the breeze.

**Jeritron** · 03-12-2009, 05:18 AM

**Jeritron** · 03-12-2009, 05:21 AM

This was on a local station of mine. When I heard it, I nearly died.

**FearedSanctity** · 03-12-2009, 06:52 AM

But think about it. If you were in Manhattan's position, this all powerful being, would you honestly care? I'd be fucking blue ass naked too. Let my shit swang for the world to see

**Jeritron** · 03-12-2009, 07:11 AM

He was still him though. He had ties to the world. That's why he cared. The further his ties got from him, the less he cared.

As his the people originally in his life died, or left him, he drifted further away. When Spectre left him, he had nothing and he left Earth as he put it.
If it wasn't for these ties proving to be strong, and drawing him back in, he never would have returned.
The only thing that upset him was the cancer thing, which again, had to do with people in his life prior to becoming "inhuman"

**Jeritron** · 03-12-2009, 07:11 AM

wow I'm a nerd

**BigDaddyCool** · 03-12-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron

What?

**BigDaddyCool** · 03-12-2009, 10:58 AM

**loopydate** · 03-12-2009, 03:32 PM

I, too, loved the movie, but I thought it was odd that Snyder upped the violence of what was already a very violent book (Dreiberg breaking the guy's arm, Rorschach's Norman Bates impression, etc.) and took away some of my favorite character development stuff.

For example, I love the scene where the powers-that-be are trying to get Manhattan to wear a costume. Gives him a reason to burn the hydrogen atom symbol on his forehead and gives a bit of insight into "Why isn't he wearing pants?"

Also, the Veidt-as-villain thing was too obvious too early. The first time I read the book and Dan and Rorschach are in Adrian's office, and Dan finds out about Pyramid, I had to go back and re-read that panel to make sure I got it right. "Wait, it was ADRIAN?!?" Here, pretty much everybody could tell as soon as they saw him that he was the villain.

Also, why is everybody super strong? Part of the point of the book was that these are normal people (like someone said earlier), which makes Ozy catching the bullet that much more of a HOLY SHIT moment.

They also did nothing to set up the New Frontiersman. The ending with them going into the Crank File works better in the book because they've been established as the sort of right-wing conspiracy nuts that Rorschach would relate to, hence the only ones he trusts with his journal. Here, they just sort of appear.

Other than that, though, I thought the movie was fantastic. Great performances all around, and I actually liked the Dan/Laurie romance. The sex scene to Hallelujah was ridiculous, but I thought they really helped ground the movie. While everything else was going to hell, here were two people finally realizing what it means to be human.

Haley was fantastic as Rorschach. Pretty much exactly how I always heard it in my head while reading the book. I got goosebumps the first time I saw the trailer when they played the "And I'll whisper 'no.'" That feeling stuck with me throughout the film. He was just about pitch-perfect.

Bubastis also looked pretty bad-ass (although I wish they'd done more with her). And I loved loved loved the last scene between Rorschach and Manhattan. How fucked up is it that the only person willing to tell the truth at the end of all of this is the murderous sociopath whose "face" is never the same twice?

**Ogen** · 03-12-2009, 06:23 PM

Any decent quality torrents of this about? Not nearly interested enough to see it in the cinema but told its decent

**Blitz** · 03-12-2009, 07:58 PM

Every time I think of Rorschach's final scream of "DO IT", a chill goes up my spine. Fucking great.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 03-13-2009, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Good Ol JG

Loved the book, really liked the film. I'm still divided about the new ending, but it wasn't terrible like I thought it might be. I think it's the best comic adaptation yet. The characters were spot on for the most part, and Snyder did a great job of bringing panels from the book alive on screen. The only real criticism I have is I think they took a lot of stuff away from Ozymandias, I think he came off as more of a straight villain in the film instead of a gray area villain like he was in the book. But, overall, I think it was pretty sweet.

I don't know, I really liked the way they handled Ozymandias. They didn't get too much time to explain him, but I'm sure the extended version on the DVD will do that. What said it all about the character was when Nite Owl attacked him, and he just took it and let Nite Owl take out all his frustrations on him.

I haven't actually red the comic, but the character seemed brilliant, too logical for his own good, and arrogant. If that's the way Ozymandias is meant to seem, taking it upon himself to do good for the whole world, when it really shouldn't be his responsibility, then I'd say the film did an effective job portraying the character.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 03-13-2009, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FearedSanctity

But think about it. If you were in Manhattan's position, this all powerful being, would you honestly care? I'd be fucking blue ass naked too. Let my shit swang for the world to see

That's exactly it. I believe the idea behind the Doctor Manhattan character was to make the unrealistic idea of an entity such as Manhattan "realistic." He wouldn't just be a guy like Superman, but he'd see through concepts such a time and space. Things like pants would be the least of his concerns.

It made so many people feel weird, and I think that is actually quite a telling thing. It's really quite bizarre how awkward a blue CGI penis made people feel. I don't think people "got" Doctor Manhattan, and while I don't think that is the fault of the filmmakers, I believe they could have just used a throwaway line from one of the "normal" characters to put some fucking pants on, with a response from him explaining how stupid pants are.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 03-13-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by loopydate

I, too, loved the movie, but I thought it was odd that Snyder upped the violence of what was already a very violent book (Dreiberg breaking the guy's arm, Rorschach's Norman Bates impression, etc.) and took away some of my favorite character development stuff.

For example, I love the scene where the powers-that-be are trying to get Manhattan to wear a costume. Gives him a reason to burn the hydrogen atom symbol on his forehead and gives a bit of insight into "Why isn't he wearing pants?"

Also, the Veidt-as-villain thing was too obvious too early. The first time I read the book and Dan and Rorschach are in Adrian's office, and Dan finds out about Pyramid, I had to go back and re-read that panel to make sure I got it right. "Wait, it was ADRIAN?!?" Here, pretty much everybody could tell as soon as they saw him that he was the villain.

Also, why is everybody super strong? Part of the point of the book was that these are normal people (like someone said earlier), which makes Ozy catching the bullet that much more of a HOLY SHIT moment.

They also did nothing to set up the New Frontiersman. The ending with them going into the Crank File works better in the book because they've been established as the sort of right-wing conspiracy nuts that Rorschach would relate to, hence the only ones he trusts with his journal. Here, they just sort of appear.

Other than that, though, I thought the movie was fantastic. Great performances all around, and I actually liked the Dan/Laurie romance. The sex scene to Hallelujah was ridiculous, but I thought they really helped ground the movie. While everything else was going to hell, here were two people finally realizing what it means to be human.

Haley was fantastic as Rorschach. Pretty much exactly how I always heard it in my head while reading the book. I got goosebumps the first time I saw the trailer when they played the "And I'll whisper 'no.'" That feeling stuck with me throughout the film. He was just about pitch-perfect.

Bubastis also looked pretty bad-ass (although I wish they'd done more with her). And I loved loved loved the last scene between Rorschach and Manhattan. How fucked up is it that the only person willing to tell the truth at the end of all of this is the murderous sociopath whose "face" is never the same twice?

It'll be interesting to compare the experiences of a viewer who has not read the book with someone who has:

I liked the violence in the movie. Nite Owl breaking the arm of that guy was just sick, and got a reaction out of everyone. It was just very cool, and while a lot of the movie is deep in a medium most people do not accept as such, something like this really grounded the movie in the "cool" comic book sense. The heightened violence was a way for the movie to appeal on the most basic of levels, while the heightened concepts are gems for those who can appreciate the thematic material of the story.

Costume discussion with Doctor Manhattan would have been great. It would have been good for a laugh and eased the tension that a lot of people got from seeing a blue penis dangling in front of them. Truthfully, though, I did absorb those sort of things through the movie without it being explained. I could imagine exactly how the government would have tried to commercialise Dr. Manhattan. I think Snyder may have overestimated his audience, though.

Veidt as the villain was not so much obvious to me, and it surprised me when I did discover it, but I agree that something was missing that really added "oomph" to the reveal. I think an original story for Veidt would have been good. Something that also set him up as being stronger than the others, and the definite leader of the group. It seemed Nite Owl got all the attention, and I almost forgot that Ozymandias was part of the group.

It's probably pretty sad that when Veidt was revealed to be behind Pyramid, that I couldn't help but think of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.

The super strength of the charatcers was weird, I'll agree with that. Snyder did contrast that by blatantly showing how mortal they actually were, but some of the fights scenes were ridiculous. Veidt catching the bullet did hold my attention, because of that one line about him bragging about being fast enough to do it. When it came to crunch time, though, he didn't seem sure he could, and it was interesting to see if he could achieve it. "Holy shit!" certainly wasn't the reaction I got, though. More of a "Hey, look, he can do it."

The New Frontiersmen obviously played a bigger part in the book? To get them, I think you must really need to read the story, but I just took them as any newspaper that were out of stories to print because the world is fucking perfect. Rorscharch was not an idiot, so he sent his journal to any newspaper because he knew they would be foaming at the mouth to print the story, and it'd dispute the "false truth" Veidt had created for the world, and restore things to the honest chaos they were. The New Frontiersmen were not the point to me when I saw that scene, but rather Rorscharch getting the last laugh.

The Dan/Laurie romance was pretty interesting. I really liked the way she just seemed to crave human affection after having sex with a radioactive men for all those years. I liked the insecurities Dan seemed to have in comparison to Doctor Manhattan and his blue lightsaber. I think those could have been played up more. The whole being impotent thing was a bit lost, and seemed more for comedy than to really flesh out Dan Dreiberg as a character.

**Ol Dirty Dastard** · 03-14-2009, 10:49 AM

I don't think it was that they had super strength, it was just more, they were highly trained and badass.

**Ol Dirty Dastard** · 03-14-2009, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Noid

That's exactly it. I believe the idea behind the Doctor Manhattan character was to make the unrealistic idea of an entity such as Manhattan "realistic." He wouldn't just be a guy like Superman, but he'd see through concepts such a time and space. Things like pants would be the least of his concerns.

It made so many people feel weird, and I think that is actually quite a telling thing. It's really quite bizarre how awkward a blue CGI penis made people feel. I don't think people "got" Doctor Manhattan, and while I don't think that is the fault of the filmmakers, I believe they could have just used a throwaway line from one of the "normal" characters to put some fucking pants on, with a response from him explaining how stupid pants are.

well when people complain about it to me I'm just like "well he's essentially a demi-god, so it's understandable", like look at him he was a perfect blue speciman. And yeah he transcends time and thought and essentially is his own world. Like he would give a fuck if his cock was waggling. I thought that was pretty clear in the movie I dunno how the dick was an issue to anyone.

**The Destroyer** · 03-14-2009, 01:39 PM

Thought it was pretty good - went into it with fairly low expectations after seeing a lot of bad reviews, but I was pleasantly surprised.

Frankly though, if anything, it needed more blue penis.

**Dave Youell** · 03-18-2009, 04:12 PM

I knew nothing of the book, but after reflection I can say one of the best films i've seen in a while.

loved it, really have to pay attention throughout it, but it's was very stylish and deep in places

**LuigiD** · 03-18-2009, 09:44 PM

I have been a fan of Moore for a few years.
I totally loved the adaptation. Like others, I agree it was stupid to take out Rorshach's origin. I loved the opening credits and the new ending was not as bad. Some of my friends and family who saw it liked it, even though they admitted it took time to catch on to what the movie was about. Most people had no idea of what was happening during the first 40 minutes.
I can't believe the blue penis is such a complaint? when I saw it the first time there was some teenagers sitting around going "eww!" every time Dr. Manhattan came around. I guess having taken so many art and science classes I am use to it by now.

03-08-2009, 11:08 AM	#123
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	I didn't care for this movie. It was somewhere between a " " and a " " and a " " for me. There were elements I liked about it, but it didn't work for me. Maybe knowing the characters before hand would make it better, dunno.

03-08-2009, 04:38 AM	#121
McLegend Temporary Posts: 15,564	I'm on chapter 7 in the book. Can't wait to get it done and see the movie. It's kick ass so far.

03-08-2009, 11:05 AM	#122
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	Watchmen was pretty good.

03-08-2009, 07:35 PM	#124
Inadequacy I'm nauseous Posts: 1,994	I kinda liked the new ending. It just fit in place better I found. I'm not knocking the original ending, but the new one just seemed less...detached?

03-08-2009, 08:09 PM	#125
Buzzkill Jamiroquai Bodega Posts: 18,627	Pretty lame. Stick to the book.

03-08-2009, 08:51 PM	#126
ron the dial the heartbreak king Posts: 48,431	so good. definitely above my expectations. a few things that don't sit right with me, but overall i have to say extremely well done.

03-08-2009, 09:12 PM	#127
Triple Naitch Formerly Fausto Carmona Posts: 16,875	The only thing that really bothered me was that Dr. Manhattan's cock is dangling through pretty much the entire movie.

03-08-2009, 09:17 PM	#128
ron the dial the heartbreak king Posts: 48,431	i drew the dick blue because i've never seen a blue dick before. and to be honest, i wanted to see a blue dick.

03-08-2009, 09:21 PM	#129
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,459	O'DOYLE RULES!

03-08-2009, 10:51 PM	#130
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	Enjoyed it very much so.

03-09-2009, 04:41 AM	#131
PorkSoda Diabetes Coming To Getcha Posts: 6,826	I heard this movie is gorey. Like Saw gore. Is that true? HIdes behind a pillow

03-09-2009, 06:24 AM	#132
FearedSanctity Von Killer Posts: 4,471	Not even close

03-09-2009, 09:32 AM	#133
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	I never finished the comic book, so I didn't really catch that the ending was different. Guess I better finish it...

03-09-2009, 10:38 AM	#134
Impeccable Tag Team Wrestling Mark! Posts: 2,339	Great film...just glad they didn't show Dr. Manhattan's cock when he was 100ft tall...I was in the front row and it woulda probably twatted me

03-09-2009, 11:15 AM	#136
Mr Regal Lord of all Manors Posts: 5,096	Good movie, i really enjoyed it. The big blue cock did become quite distracting though. I am also in love with the chick in it...she is ridiculously hot in every scene she is in.

03-10-2009, 09:13 AM	#137
Good Ol JG Paragraphs killed Jesus. Posts: 203	Loved the book, really liked the film. I'm still divided about the new ending, but it wasn't terrible like I thought it might be. I think it's the best comic adaptation yet. The characters were spot on for the most part, and Snyder did a great job of bringing panels from the book alive on screen. The only real criticism I have is I think they took a lot of stuff away from Ozymandias, I think he came off as more of a straight villain in the film instead of a gray area villain like he was in the book. But, overall, I think it was pretty sweet.

03-10-2009, 08:38 PM	#138
Fignuts Hey Mister! Posts: 54,947	I agree with blitz on rorschach's origin. Probably one of the last things I would have cut. Still loved it, and I don't think the giant squid would have worked on the big screen like it worked in the book. Frankly, I like the movie ending better, as I felt the book ended rather abruptly after the squid twist. In the film it just felt a little more fleshed out. And I likeDr. Manhattan as the framed catalyst, rather than some fake alien squid thing that had only been slightly aluded to once or twice in the book. The films ending just meshes better with the rest of the story, imo.

03-10-2009, 11:09 PM	#139
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	I too prefer the movie ending. On a thematic level, it works better. It's a stronger sacrifice for Dr. Manhattan, and it gives meaning to his return. In the book, he basically just returns for Silk Spectre after re-discovering the value of human life. But then he just leaves, because once again he has no reason to be on earth. His final trip away from earth carries little meaning aside from the fact that he now appreciates human life. You could argue that the only reason they have him return at all in the book, on a plot level, is to be there to kill Rorschach. In the film version, all of that is kept intact, only now he leaves for a reason. To allow the life he now appreciates to continue on peacefully. It's a sacrifice, not a vacation. Since he is a character who undergoes so much change, and is so complex, I think this new ending which revolves around him more, is far better. Just my view.

03-10-2009, 11:17 PM	#140
UmbrellaCorporation All That Jazz Posts: 3,310	I still can not get over this movie. Loved it. None of the characters were boring, IMO, and I chomped at the bit to see any scene with Rorschach, Manhattan, and most especially, Veidt. Definitely gonna see this again.

03-10-2009, 11:19 PM	#141
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	The realization of these characters was the biggest strenght IMO. There were many strenghts, including the visuals, the structure and style, and the direction. The character development and performances are what really made this movie come together though.

03-12-2009, 01:07 AM	#142
Vastardikai Taller than Adam Cole Posts: 10,873	I saw Watchmen today on IMAX (first time ever seeing an IMAX movie.) here's my thoughts: Holy shit are IMAX screens huge. And the sound is amazing. I wish I had seen the second run of the Dark Knight on IMAX, now. The trailer for the new Transformers movie is great. Too bad Shia Labouff is still in it. Character development was immense, like 'tron said. I was impressed with how and what made these people operate. I like Silhouette. Despite having only a small part in the movie, she was my favorite of the Minutemen. Anyone can guess why. Rorschach's mask is definitely gonna end up as a tattoo at some point. Probably the most awesome hero ever. Dr. Manhattan needs some pants on. Silk Spectre II is insanely hot. And yet she falls for the dorkiest guy of the bunch... Oh yeah, this is a comic book cliche more than anything else. Seriously though, she has a killer ass that I wanted to violate. And, kudos to the director for making the sex scene actually have context. 300 had just "What would a free man do," and then sex. I said to myself at the commencing "A FREE MAN WOULD FUCK!" It wasn't Saw gory. It was more like 300 gory. Brutal killings and stuff. * The Comedian would so fuck the Punisher up. * "Nobody wants a Cowboy in the Oval Office!" was perhaps the most subtle line ever. *You know, between Watchmen and 300, I think the director is seriously trying to tell us that he's all for meaty cock. I mean, 300 had a bunch of dudes in red capes & speedos. I've watched wrestling for almost 20 years, so It's not the presence of dudes in red capes & speedos. The sheer multitude is what was a little over the top. Then of course, we got Cocktor Manhattan. It's one thing that he's running around butt naked. It's another thing that Rorschach or somebody else didn't just say "Dude, put some pants on." They were perfectly normal with him running around, blue dick flapping in the breeze.

03-12-2009, 05:18 AM	#143
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234

03-12-2009, 05:21 AM	#144
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	This was on a local station of mine. When I heard it, I nearly died.

03-12-2009, 06:52 AM	#145
FearedSanctity Von Killer Posts: 4,471	But think about it. If you were in Manhattan's position, this all powerful being, would you honestly care? I'd be fucking blue ass naked too. Let my shit swang for the world to see

03-12-2009, 07:11 AM	#146
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	He was still him though. He had ties to the world. That's why he cared. The further his ties got from him, the less he cared. As his the people originally in his life died, or left him, he drifted further away. When Spectre left him, he had nothing and he left Earth as he put it. If it wasn't for these ties proving to be strong, and drawing him back in, he never would have returned. The only thing that upset him was the cancer thing, which again, had to do with people in his life prior to becoming "inhuman"

03-12-2009, 07:11 AM	#147
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	wow I'm a nerd

03-12-2009, 10:58 AM	#149
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762

03-12-2009, 03:32 PM	#150
loopydate FIT Challenge Slag People Posts: 13,816	I, too, loved the movie, but I thought it was odd that Snyder upped the violence of what was already a very violent book (Dreiberg breaking the guy's arm, Rorschach's Norman Bates impression, etc.) and took away some of my favorite character development stuff. For example, I love the scene where the powers-that-be are trying to get Manhattan to wear a costume. Gives him a reason to burn the hydrogen atom symbol on his forehead and gives a bit of insight into "Why isn't he wearing pants?" Also, the Veidt-as-villain thing was too obvious too early. The first time I read the book and Dan and Rorschach are in Adrian's office, and Dan finds out about Pyramid, I had to go back and re-read that panel to make sure I got it right. "Wait, it was ADRIAN?!?" Here, pretty much everybody could tell as soon as they saw him that he was the villain. Also, why is everybody super strong? Part of the point of the book was that these are normal people (like someone said earlier), which makes Ozy catching the bullet that much more of a HOLY SHIT moment. They also did nothing to set up the New Frontiersman. The ending with them going into the Crank File works better in the book because they've been established as the sort of right-wing conspiracy nuts that Rorschach would relate to, hence the only ones he trusts with his journal. Here, they just sort of appear. Other than that, though, I thought the movie was fantastic. Great performances all around, and I actually liked the Dan/Laurie romance. The sex scene to Hallelujah was ridiculous, but I thought they really helped ground the movie. While everything else was going to hell, here were two people finally realizing what it means to be human. Haley was fantastic as Rorschach. Pretty much exactly how I always heard it in my head while reading the book. I got goosebumps the first time I saw the trailer when they played the "And I'll whisper 'no.'" That feeling stuck with me throughout the film. He was just about pitch-perfect. Bubastis also looked pretty bad-ass (although I wish they'd done more with her). And I loved loved loved the last scene between Rorschach and Manhattan. How fucked up is it that the only person willing to tell the truth at the end of all of this is the murderous sociopath whose "face" is never the same twice?

03-12-2009, 06:23 PM	#151
Ogen Inebriated Foreskin Posts: 16,220	Any decent quality torrents of this about? Not nearly interested enough to see it in the cinema but told its decent

03-12-2009, 07:58 PM	#152
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	Every time I think of Rorschach's final scream of "DO IT", a chill goes up my spine. Fucking great.

03-14-2009, 10:49 AM	#156
Ol Dirty Dastard boop/bop/beep Posts: 38,428	I don't think it was that they had super strength, it was just more, they were highly trained and badass.