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Old 06-01-2015, 03:46 PM   #41
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ight_Champions

Look at this list. Count how many of these title changes happened on Free TV.
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:46 PM   #42
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Abyss MURDERS Rob Van Dam off camera with a baseball bat full of nails > world title is made vacant due to RVD dying > RVD is back and wrestling undercard on the PPV where a new champion for the vacant title will be crowned!
Wait, what? o.O
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:49 PM   #43
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Old 06-01-2015, 03:53 PM   #44
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ight_Champions

Look at this list. Count how many of these title changes happened on Free TV.
11 times in 8 years. didn't most of them happen the night after a PPV making the people who paid for the PPV pissed.
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Old 06-01-2015, 04:35 PM   #45
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Old 06-01-2015, 04:46 PM   #46
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But seriously, I cant believe the Foley shit isnt getting more hate.

They made him champ 9 years after he retired. he could barely move. And they had him go over a 50+ year old Sting. That was their main event people.

LOLTNA.
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Old 06-01-2015, 05:22 PM   #47
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I think it was during the "Monday Night Wars" They had a main event Hogan V Flair and and they promoted it like it was the end all be all of wrestling,then the actual match which featured 2 men who could barely move and old as fuck bleeding all over ringside while the announcers continued to praise the match and pretend to be pumped about something that was actually really depressing to see.
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Old 06-01-2015, 06:32 PM   #48
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No particular order, though the top three are probably the top three.

They named themselves TNA on purpose
Vince Russo. Just... in general
Jeff Hardy at Victory Road
Changing the course of their company just to capitalize on what WWE was doing (i.e. Aries as Punk, Young as Bryan)
The entire TNA Solar System revolving around Planet Jarrett
Ridiculous match types (reverse battle royal, the dome cage thing, Monster's Ball, King of the Mountain)
Bringing in Hogan/Bischoff/Flair/Nasties/Morley/OJ
Trying to run on Mondays
Lying to Spike about Russo
The RVD murder/undercard return fiasco
The first BFG Series
Claire Lynch
Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca
Always. Needing. A. Main. Event. Heel. Stable.
Dupp Cup
Masturbating Midget
The way they handled Daffney and Jesse Sorenson's injuries
The HOF ring saga
Hotshotting Angle vs. Joe
Lockdown
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Old 06-01-2015, 07:55 PM   #49
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Old 06-01-2015, 07:56 PM   #50
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Old 06-01-2015, 08:05 PM   #51
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Old 06-01-2015, 08:06 PM   #52
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Signing Hogan was not a mistake. Bringing the biggest star in the history of wrestling into your wrestling company isn't a mistake. How they used him once he was brought in might be a different story...

Also, don't see how Aces and Eights is considered in the top 20. It wasn't a bad stable and it made Bubba Ray Dudley seem like a legit main event singles star for a bit.
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Old 06-01-2015, 10:53 PM   #53
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I remember one storyline was Bishoff got a report that the X-Division segments were the highest rated segments of the show so he ordered abyss to destroy all X-division wrestlers and put an end to the X-Division.
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Old 06-01-2015, 11:24 PM   #54
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lol I remember that. Though it did lead to a pretty sweet moment where Brian Kendrick got to take back the title from Abyss on behalf of the little guys.
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Old 06-01-2015, 11:31 PM   #55
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Signing Hogan was not a mistake. Bringing the biggest star in the history of wrestling into your wrestling company isn't a mistake. How they used him once he was brought in might be a different story...

Also, don't see how Aces and Eights is considered in the top 20. It wasn't a bad stable and it made Bubba Ray Dudley seem like a legit main event singles star for a bit.
Yeah I think they missed their mark with aces and eights, could have been their "nexus" which I guess is apt since they blew that too.

Taz should have never joined. Like the idea of it bringing in Knox and gallows. Bully Ray joining was great as leader. The rest was meh. Should have brought in more guys like cliff Compton or lesser known Indy guys who could work and fit the biker rebel mold.

But certainly wasn't a top 20 bad thing. It didn't hurt the company they just missed another chance at something that could have been different and special.
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Old 06-01-2015, 11:41 PM   #56
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Speaking of Aces and Eights though, randomly putting the title on Chris Sabin was pretty fucking bad.
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Old 06-01-2015, 11:43 PM   #57
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I liked Taz joining. Having that "homer" in the booth and, in the case of D'Lo a position of authority in the company, gave them credibility of having stroke in the companyto do and say whatever they wanted.

But they fucked up a good majority of it trying to make a Sons Of Anarchy themed nWo, firstly with the nWo bloat of being too big. It was a mistake, but not top 20.

No, top 20 is consistently trying to get Rob Terry over simply because he "looks the shit". They repackaged him like, what, 4 times? Not working. Not worth it.
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But seriously, I cant believe the Foley shit isnt getting more hate.

They made him champ 9 years after he retired. he could barely move. And they had him go over a 50+ year old Sting. That was their main event people.

LOLTNA.
Yeah, Foley as champ was the first thing to pop into my mind. No idea what the fuck they were thinking, and felt bad for Mick for thinking he needed to keep putting his body through that kind of shit years after he should have totally stopped wrestling.
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The Menagerie also doesn't belong in the top 20 mistakes. They're fine. And they've actually got a backstory instead of some random, thrown together shit with no effort put in.
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How about putting Val Venus over Jarrett and Daniels in his only two matches?
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Old 06-02-2015, 12:15 AM   #61
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I'll be diplomatic and replace Aces and Eights with Tag Champion Adam Jones. And I'll say put Immortal in place of the Menagerie.
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Old 06-02-2015, 01:54 AM   #66
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The Menagerie also doesn't belong in the top 20 mistakes. They're fine. And they've actually got a backstory instead of some random, thrown together shit with no effort put in.
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Old 06-02-2015, 01:57 AM   #67
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My issue is, you bring in a guy who used to work for the competition, and he more or less immediately beats the undefeated beast. If they set it up for 6 months down the road, and have it over the title, sure. But right off the bat it says "We are inferior to WWE."
Sort of also set the stage for trying to gimmick whatever WWE did even though TNA was supposed to be about "experience the difference."

They gave goofy names to wrestlers just to own their rights. The Austin Starr and Senshi to name a few.

Another: Not pushing/keeping CM Punk, MVP and Mickie James before they became huge.
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Austin Starr was great, though.

Austin Starr > Austin Aries
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Old 06-02-2015, 09:42 AM   #69
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Yeah how dare TNA use different names to own their rights. No one else does that.
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Old 06-02-2015, 09:45 AM   #70
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Sort of also set the stage for trying to gimmick whatever WWE did even though TNA was supposed to be about "experience the difference."

They gave goofy names to wrestlers just to own their rights. The Austin Starr and Senshi to name a few.

Another: Not pushing/keeping CM Punk, MVP and Mickie James before they became huge.
You are such a mutie.

CM Punk quit because he wanted to appear for ROH.

MVP? Mickie james? REALLY?

You ever see them in TNA or before they hit WWE developmental?
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The biggest problems with TNA was the growing inability to accent the positives and minimize the negatives and the lack of definition of what TNA actually was.

There was plenty of things that TNA had going for them. They had pretty decent stars AND they had stars that had a chip on their shoulder because WWE didn't give them the room to ply their trade. They could have used those elements to create new stars while at the same time pushing the WWE rejects in order to have recognizable stars. They should not have gotten rid of the six sides, even thought I still find it weird. They also gave almost everybody on the roster a direction, character, and voice. So from the main eventers to the jobbers had something to say and a way to say it. They had at one point better tag teams and women. They should have pushed that harder. Which would have attracted more wrestlers to sign because they may not have been making as much money as in the WWE, but they would be on TV AND they would have gotten opportunities that WWE may not have given them.

Austin Aries would NOT have been WWE World Champ. The Beautiful People and Dollhouse would not have gotten off the ground in WWE Creative. Heck, They would have straightened Marti Belle's hair, Given Mia Yim a Oriental gimmick, and Taryn would have been on Total Divas instead of improving in the ring. Not to mention Austin Aries, would have been wrestling Zack Ryder on Superstars.

Like WWE, TNA has dropped the ball on a great deal of characters. The problem is at least the WWE can afford to make mistakes. With a smaller budget, roster, and EVERYTHING else, they have to almost knock it out the park every time.

They strike out... a lot.
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No particular order, though the top three are probably the top three.

They named themselves TNA on purpose
Vince Russo. Just... in general
Jeff Hardy at Victory Road
Changing the course of their company just to capitalize on what WWE was doing (i.e. Aries as Punk, Young as Bryan)
The entire TNA Solar System revolving around Planet Jarrett
Ridiculous match types (reverse battle royal, the dome cage thing, Monster's Ball, King of the Mountain)
Bringing in Hogan/Bischoff/Flair/Nasties/Morley/OJ
Trying to run on Mondays
Lying to Spike about Russo
The RVD murder/undercard return fiasco
The first BFG Series
Claire Lynch
Sharmell vs. Jenna Morasca
Always. Needing. A. Main. Event. Heel. Stable.
Dupp Cup
Masturbating Midget
The way they handled Daffney and Jesse Sorenson's injuries
The HOF ring saga
Hotshotting Angle vs. Joe
Lockdown
Bubba the love spooge I mean sponge tell me Foley punching that fat,worthless, fuck was on purpose.
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:26 PM   #73
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I'm sure Foley was supposed to punch him, he just decided it needed to be a potato.
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Old 06-02-2015, 11:41 PM   #74
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What about TNA's top 20 moments? Why do we have to be so negative. You are not suppose to make fun of the slow kid in class.
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I think the "Option C" for the X Division Title is pretty fucking stupid. Just means the title will be vacated at least once a year. Dumb.
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Old 06-03-2015, 04:31 PM   #78
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Option C only makes since if Austin Aries is X division champ. If Spud was to cash in option c and win the title that would be a mistake. Also if EC3 doesn't win the TNA Heavyweight Title this year that would be a mistake as well.
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Rebel of The Menagerie. Definitely not a top 20 mistake.

They had a sweet theme song, too. They didn't have to play it throughout the entire match, but it was sweet.
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Option C only makes since if Austin Aries is X division champ. If Spud was to cash in option c and win the title that would be a mistake. Also if EC3 doesn't win the TNA Heavyweight Title this year that would be a mistake as well.
Sense. Goddammit.
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