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Old 07-07-2010, 01:10 PM   #81
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I just saw that the first batch of reviews are coming in for this and they're all very positive.
I think it has 100% on rottentomatoes atm, if only out of 10 or so reviews
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:34 PM   #82
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Can't wait to see this during the weekend.
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Old 07-07-2010, 02:37 PM   #83
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I'm totally expecting everyone to die but Fishburne, Brody, and that girl.
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Old 07-07-2010, 03:40 PM   #85
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Predator movies usually don't see that many survivors
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Duly noted. Alien movies are the same way. Was honestly pissed when Hudson died in Aliens the first time I saw it. Same goes for both Dillon and Mac in Predator.
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The rule of all slasher or monster movies tends to be that one male and one female survive
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:23 PM   #88
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Loving the trailers and art direction of the film. I am glad movie studios have not given up on the Predator franchise yet. I personally hated the first AVP but I loved the second one. Even resembled a couple of the old comics. This one seems to have a comic book feel from the Predator comics from the 90's. Can't wait.
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Saw it tonight, was impressed with it overall but their was far too many references to the first film.
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I bet Danny Trejo gets his arm ripped off or something.
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I just got back from this. I enjoyed myself. I thought it was well done for the most part, but it got a tad messy and fell apart in some areas in the final act.

Still, it was a good time and a much more faithful and interesting sequel than any of the other efforts, really.


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I think the biggest flaw of the movie was how unintimidating the Predators themselves were. This is to be expected compared to the first, because of how familiar the audience is with them now.
Still, I think they dropped the ball there a bit. They kept them off screen and built them up for the first half of the movie, and the "Jaws effect" was working nicely. Then they crash onto the screen in a blaze of glory. This was good too...

The problem from here was mainly that they were really downplayed after this. They didn't do much more in the way of being terrifying enemies.
They didn't really get "clean kills" on any of the characters. Two characters killed Predators on their way out, and even the comic relief convict character (from The Shield) got offense in before dying. It sort of lessened the Predators.

The penalty of this is that when our main character gets into a brawl with the Predator, it's not really anything special that he's capable of putting up a fight. The final act of the movie had a lot of shit going on and felt a bit anticlimactic. But I disgress. It's only a Predator movie.

The good things are that it felt like a spiritual successor to the original, and had a great concept. There were some great moments and action sequences. The tone of the film definitely harkened back to the original, and there were nice touches like the music.
The Laurence Fishburne character was good stuff.

The female character recalling a briefing she recieved about the events of the first movie, (and sharing all kinds of details including what year it occured and how Arnie knew how to kill them) was a bit of a facepalm moment. It was pointless, since it didn't have any effect on the plot and only served to reference the first movie in a far-fetched connection.
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Who is the main character in the movie anyway?
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The main character is Adrian Brody.

I watched this last night- An absolutely sweet film. After watching all the AVP crap I fear the worst, but this is so much like the original in many ways.

Its a solid film. Some of the dialogue is total cheese, in an action movie cliché kinda way, but if you can deal with that- You'll have fun.

The Yakuza guy in it was the baddest mother fucker.
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I just can't imagine Adrien Brody as a bad-ass.

Heard he gained 25 pounds of muscle, but still.
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I just can't imagine Adrien Brody as a bad-ass.

Heard he gained 25 pounds of muscle, but still.
How did we go from Arnold, to Danny Glover, to Adrien Brody?
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How did we go from Arnold, to Danny Glover, to Adrien Brody?
He's done a war movie before, The Thin Red Line plus it showed just how good an actor he is to do a different kind of movie.
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Brody can do anything. Biopic, comedy, classic remake, war flick.

Pick a role, he'll probably nail it down pat.
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I think Brody is great. I love how he went from The Pianist, to King Kong, to this though. I feel like King Kong was the appropriate segway
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I know they were trying to get Arnold to reprise his role as Dutch for this, and he was originally a part of the script early on.
I wonder where he would have fit in. If the story was pretty much the same, my guess would be that the Laurence Fishburne role was designed for him. It would have worked.
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When the film was originally to be made in the 90's Dutch was in the script but then it never wen ahead.
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Yes but they were also trying to get him for a small role this time around
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Pretty badass movie. Loved Adrien Brody's character. My only complaint is what seems like a big plot hole.
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So they know Nikolay kills the one Predator. The heroes don't see it, but make a logical assumption that it is dead, I guess. But the second predator, the one killed by the Yakuza guy, no one knows it's dead. Why would they relax after killing the third one, when by all rights they should still think there's one more out there? Or did they just have that much faith in a human with a Samurai sword vs. a fucking alien badass?
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Good point Blitz.
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I guess they just assumed he would be there for the final fight if he was still around. That's the most logical way around it. The writers probably overlooked that/didn't care though.
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Meh, this was okay.
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I know they were trying to get Arnold to reprise his role as Dutch for this, and he was originally a part of the script early on.
I wonder where he would have fit in. If the story was pretty much the same, my guess would be that the Laurence Fishburne role was designed for him. It would have worked.
You bring him back so bad guys could get even. Like Simon Gruber going after John McClane in Die Hard 3. Sorta like, "they've been watching me from afar."

That's how I would have done it.
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I just got back from this. I enjoyed myself. I thought it was well done for the most part, but it got a tad messy and fell apart in some areas in the final act.

Still, it was a good time and a much more faithful and interesting sequel than any of the other efforts, really.


Some thoughts:
SPOILER: show


I think the biggest flaw of the movie was how unintimidating the Predators themselves were. This is to be expected compared to the first, because of how familiar the audience is with them now.
Still, I think they dropped the ball there a bit. They kept them off screen and built them up for the first half of the movie, and the "Jaws effect" was working nicely. Then they crash onto the screen in a blaze of glory. This was good too...

The problem from here was mainly that they were really downplayed after this. They didn't do much more in the way of being terrifying enemies.
They didn't really get "clean kills" on any of the characters. Two characters killed Predators on their way out, and even the comic relief convict character (from The Shield) got offense in before dying. It sort of lessened the Predators.

The penalty of this is that when our main character gets into a brawl with the Predator, it's not really anything special that he's capable of putting up a fight. The final act of the movie had a lot of shit going on and felt a bit anticlimactic. But I disgress. It's only a Predator movie.

The good things are that it felt like a spiritual successor to the original, and had a great concept. There were some great moments and action sequences. The tone of the film definitely harkened back to the original, and there were nice touches like the music.
The Laurence Fishburne character was good stuff.

The female character recalling a briefing she recieved about the events of the first movie, (and sharing all kinds of details including what year it occured and how Arnie knew how to kill them) was a bit of a facepalm moment. It was pointless, since it didn't have any effect on the plot and only served to reference the first movie in a far-fetched connection.
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well except that Adrien Brody used that knowledge to put the mud on at the end
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He used the fire mainly so they should have not have had the girl tell the story in such detail and have Royce figure something out like he has been doing earlier.


Only gripe about the film is that Adrien's gruff voice is forced. It's not bad as Christian Bale in Batman but I feel like I'm aware that he's doing it on purpose.
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Adrien Brody's character is hilarious. His voice, his lines.

Give him sunglasses and that's a fuckin' Horatio Caine.
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His casting was one of only a few things I didn't like about the film.
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I saw this film in 2010, loved it, and recently rewatched it, and I have some thoughts:

The two biggest reasons why I enjoyed this film was because first, every human character was so intriguing that they could totally have their own spin-off film that focuses on them which is something I rarely say or type about an entire cast. Second, the alien Predators were not the *only* predators in this film, which I thought was a cool twist. Truly, the title of this film could be applied to both the alien characters AND the human characters.

For the most part, I love and appreciate the villains in films more then the heroes and I think the villains are more entertaining. Reasons being is because villains are totally unpredictable! You never know what they are going to say or do next. And because most villains are selfish characters, they will do ANYTHING to accomplish whatever their goal is, and not care what it takes. So when you have a film with a bunch of very well written villains together, played by good actors, mixed in with cool anti-hero characters who are also well written and wonderfully acted, it's bound to be an entertaining and fun film.
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I liked it in 2010, thought it was okay.

Rewatched it recently and I thought it was a pretty badly made film. At no point do I really care for any of the characters, mostly just stock fodder with bad dialogue. It's just a rehashing of the first film, right down to the same score.

Predator 2 is a masterpiece in comparison.
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Reusing the score was deliberate, and sort of normal.
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And see, some people's dislike for the characters is what makes it appealing to me. Because all the characters are either villains or anti-heroes, some viewers who love heroes are going to be uneasy because there is not going to be any characters that they can relate to, or vicariously live through, and they are just going to feel miserable and uneasy and will feel stuck with who they will think are unlikeable, unpredictable and violent people.

Truly, there are no good guys in this film. i.e. No characters with morals. It's just a group of violent, crazy, and selfish human predators working together and trying to escape from alien predators. This is one of those types of films that would really suck to be trapped in! Think HBO's "Oz" meets "Predator".


I didn't really care for Predator 2. I feel it was only made because the first one had a made a lot of money, so the studio quickly rushed to make a sequel, and just whipped something up, knowing just the words "Predator 2" on a movie poster would attract a crowd.

Predator 2 just doesn't have that "Do you ever get the feeling you're being watched?" vibe that both the original "Predator" and "Predators" has. Also, one of the appeals of both "Predator" and "Predators" is that the humans were on the Predator's turf, which added to the horror, whereas "Predator 2" took place on human turf, which took the horror away some in my view because we the viewers feel like we are on safe ground, and just knowing all it would take is the U.S. army to kill the Predator makes me feel a bit too comfortable as I watch "Predator 2" and what makes a scary film scary is I prefer to feel all on edge and uneasy.


Here's a parable I just came up with to describe why I love "Predators" -

I never go deer hunting because I feel deers are helpless and innocent creatures, and stand no chance against those who hunt them so I would feel bad killing a deer. However, if I had the proper training, I would MAYBE be open to the idea of hunting bears, tigers, wolves, crocodiles, snakes, rhinoceros, cape buffalo's and other dangerous animals who also hunt and kill other animals and humans.

Why would I be maybe open to hunting these animals? Because I know they are dangerous and would not think twice about hunting me, killing me and maybe eating me afterwards. Hunting those types of animals is a true sport because when you do that, those animals are not the only ones who's lives are at risk. Yours is true. i.e. If you hunt those types of animals, you are also being hunted by them.

That is essentially what "Predators" is about - It's human predators going up against alien predators.
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While I too love the movie, I can promise people's issues with the characters and dialogue have nothing to with them being 'anti-heroes' or whatever "people want purity" shit you're pushing. The trend of recent action heroes shows that people very much lean toward dark shit these days, which is kinda annoying, and why I find Avengers (and Captain America in particular) so refreshing.
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It's just odd that some people would love "Predator", but not "Predators" when the overall theme of both films is very much alike. That theme being the Predator only kills creatures that it knows are just as dangerous as itself, which is exactly why the Predator never killed Anna in the first film because she had no weapon and as Dutch said to her, there was "no sport" in killing her, (much like to me there is no sport in killing a helpless deer, but there is sport in killing a dangerous bear)

There is still a big difference between the two films and that difference being that the main group of characters in "Predator" were all heroes. They may have been ultra-bad-asses, but they were all unselfish people who worked together and looked out for one another. The characters in "Predators" were the opposite.

The development of morality is something that is completely necessary for societies to function. The fact is, every single person out there is dependent on thousands of other people for the products and services and things that we rely upon every single day. At the beginning of civilization, it started off with small groups such as tribes taking care of each other and it slowly coalesced and turned into a nation. If we didn't band together that way, the human race wouldn't have survived.

In the case with the human characters in "Predators", they only worked together for that very reason I stated above. i.e. They only helped each other only when they had to, and were really helping each other for their own selfish means, but anyone one of them would have been happy to kill the other to gain an advantage or if they became a parasite.

I mean, Adrien Brody's character "Royce" is suppose to be the "hero" of the film and twice, he uses his fellow humans as bait. Dutch would never do something like that. When Poncho hurt himself, Dutch helped him. Royce would have left him, or used him to lure the Predators.

The fact that Royce is suppose to be the head "good guy" and would do something like tells you what kind of people the characters all are. Royce was just the lesser of many evil's, and the other characters were so violent and crazy, Royce just seems like a good guy, but in any other film, he'd be a villain. He's just a little bit like Paul Reiser's character "Carter Burke" in "Aliens" with the way he just leaves people in trouble or uses them. But again, the fact that all these characters in "Predator" are bad people is what makes it entertaining and different.


Here's another example to describe the film - Even though I love some super hero films, going into them, I pretty much subconsciously know the super hero is going to win in the end, and that's cool, but whenever I watch films such as "Freddy vs. Jason, "The Devil's Rejects", or "Predators", because almost all the characters are either villains or anti-heroes, I pretty much don't know who's going to win or what crazy things the characters are going to do in order to win and that unpredictability and suspense is apart of the appeal.

I understand though why some people wouldn't enjoy that type of stress in a film and didn't like that a Predator film went down that route since the other ones never did, and would prefer a classic "good vs. evil" film and kinda depend on that subconscious and comfortable reminder that no matter how bad things are in a film, the main hero is a guy we like and he is going to take care of things in the end.

But with a film such as "Predators", you're not going to have that warm and fuzzy feeling. And some people will love that, but others will hate it. I personally think it was a good idea that they did something different instead of rehashing that same old thing where the Predator comes in, kills everyone, but then the hero stops it and we all live happily ever after again.
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The success of the first predator has little to do with character and nothing to do with themes or what you are describing as themes. Predator's success was largely filmic, particularly the way it created suspense. A lot of that suspense came from how little we knew about the Predator.

Predators had nothing in terms of suspense, it's a hard thing to duplicate especially in the hands of another filmmaker. Instead it was a fanfic level script and a bunch of unmemorable action sequences. Personally I see Predator sequels as necessary as the Jaws sequels.
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