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Old 09-08-2005, 11:45 PM   #41
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Old 09-08-2005, 11:55 PM   #42
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Old 09-08-2005, 11:58 PM   #43
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OK, I'm not too keen on the involvement of Venom but if it's played right over an amount of time then yes it could work.
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Old 09-09-2005, 12:01 AM   #44
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I'd also like to pint out that freezedriedmovies or whatever might be talking aload of crap.
Other sites are reporting it as uncomfirmed like www.comics2film.com , so take the news of the villains with a pinch of salt.
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I'd also like to pint out that freezedriedmovies or whatever might be talking aload of crap.
Other sites are reporting it as uncomfirmed like www.comics2film.com , so take the news of the villains with a pinch of salt.
still nothing on aicn.com
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Old 09-09-2005, 01:09 AM   #46
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Yeah, this all seemed a bit questionable. But what the Hell? Slow news day.

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Old 09-09-2005, 01:58 AM   #47
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The whole "ruining Venom by rushing him in" bit aside... Topher is like the last person on Earth I would script as Eddie Brock.
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Old 09-09-2005, 03:54 AM   #48
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Yeah I'm not feeling the Topher as Venom casting.

Actually I'm having a hard time believing any of this until it comes from a more trustworthy source. I've never even heard of Freeze Dried Movies.

3 major villains in 1 movie? Talk about overkill. No way can it be done well enough in a reasonable running time. Unless they use Sandman stupidly and have him knocked off early in the beginning, pre-opening credits sequence type of thing. But that would suck.

Cramming all these villains in makes this franchise start to smell like the old Batman franchise, and we all know how great those were. I cringe at the thought of Sandman saying "You're not sending ME to the SANDBOX!"

Let's see if any of this true or not first though...
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And of course Ultimate Spider-Man is so close to the original. Sorry, doesn't really count. Otherwise, the Green Goblin's Origin is all wrong.

Maybe he developed them later in the series (I bought the first two collections), but even in Ultimate I saw him using web shooters. Based on a formula of his father's, to boot.
Hey, I never said it was a good idea.
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Basically, the only way this Venom thing can work is if they do it like they should do the Harvey Dent/Two Face character in the next two Batman films.

Venom's origins are complex enough to warrant a good build up. Spidey needs to get the black suit in this film and reject it after he realises what it is, which plants the seeds of hate in the symbiote. They also need to build up the Eddie/Peter rivalry, so when the two forces that absolutely loathe both Peter and Spider-Man meet up and become one (one or two movies down the line), it is a big impact.

Another thing that is important (to me) with Venom is that they don't portray him as a villain, but as an anti-hero.
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OK, I'm not too keen on the involvement of Venom but if it's played right over an amount of time then yes it could work.
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The whole "ruining Venom by rushing him in" bit aside... Topher is like the last person on Earth I would script as Eddie Brock.
I can think of worse people.

Paul Reubens.

Michael Jackson (though he does look like an alien)

Zack Gowen (Who? I hear you all utter in unison).

Okay, so I can only think of three people worse. So sue me.
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Basically, the only way this Venom thing can work is if they do it like they should do the Harvey Dent/Two Face character in the next two Batman films.

Venom's origins are complex enough to warrant a good build up. Spidey needs to get the black suit in this film and reject it after he realises what it is, which plants the seeds of hate in the symbiote. They also need to build up the Eddie/Peter rivalry, so when the two forces that absolutely loathe both Peter and Spider-Man meet up and become one (one or two movies down the line), it is a big impact.

Another thing that is important (to me) with Venom is that they don't portray him as a villain, but as an anti-hero.
The good thing is, he doesn't even need the black suit long before he turns on it. I know he SHOULD, but in the timeframe of a movie, I think we'll have to see less of it. But it's not like it can't be done quicker.

The last movie almost looked like they were building to John Jameson as Manwolf or whatever they called him. That should work.
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Basically, the only way this Venom thing can work is if they do it like they should do the Harvey Dent/Two Face character in the next two Batman films.

Venom's origins are complex enough to warrant a good build up. Spidey needs to get the black suit in this film and reject it after he realises what it is, which plants the seeds of hate in the symbiote. They also need to build up the Eddie/Peter rivalry, so when the two forces that absolutely loathe both Peter and Spider-Man meet up and become one (one or two movies down the line), it is a big impact.

Another thing that is important (to me) with Venom is that they don't portray him as a villain, but as an anti-hero.
The good thing is, he doesn't even need the black suit long before he turns on it. I know he SHOULD, but in the timeframe of a movie, I think we'll have to see less of it. But it's not like it can't be done quicker.

The last movie almost looked like they were building to John Jameson as Manwolf or whatever they called him. That should work.
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Old 09-10-2005, 10:39 PM   #57
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Yeah, plus they've got Dr. Connors/The Lizard up their sleeve. So they have the villains to at least span out the movie franchise until Venom is suitably built up. Sam Raimi isn't stupid, he wouldn't have agreed to do Venom unless he could do him right.

Though you are right about the suit.
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http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0413300/

here's the link...while it does have Topher Grace isted, his character is not
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You complain Topher Grace doesn't suit a character? Have you not looked at Toby McGuire? He's worked out close to perfect.
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Yeah, plus they've got Dr. Connors/The Lizard up their sleeve. So they have the villains to at least span out the movie franchise until Venom is suitably built up. Sam Raimi isn't stupid, he wouldn't have agreed to do Venom unless he could do him right.

Though you are right about the suit.
Fortunately, Raimi has built up a world where this shit is still WEIRD. I don't think Spider-Man questioned his costume because he had been pulled from New York to a planet forged out of other planets, to fight in a battle of good and evil as decided by a cosmic being.

...And that was before breakfast. I probably wouldn't be too creeped out by a costume that changed forms either.

In this Spider-Man, even super-science is weird. Octavius was brilliant, and tops in his field. Osbourne didn't pull this stuff out of his ass, he was working on govt contracts for military tech (and it's kind of campy, but not too far out of military proposals...They were experimenting with jet packs as early as the 40s). Spider-Man didn't build web shooters and cheap webbing that was super-strong. The only super-villains were HUGE and had major funding. Octavius was funded by Harry Osbourne, and Norman was building for the government as part of a large corporation.

I think an alien symbiote being dropped on Parker would turn creepy fast.

So far I've liked most of the changes, except how rushed the love story was.
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You complain Topher Grace doesn't suit a character? Have you not looked at Toby McGuire? He's worked out close to perfect.
The guy who played him in the first movie fits the "before" pic more or less.

Depends on what they're doing with him, but Topher looks more like he should be Carnage.
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In the end, I hope they do this right. Like many of you, I feel 3 is a lot of villians for one movie.
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The guy who played him in the first movie fits the "before" pic more or less.

Depends on what they're doing with him, but Topher looks more like he should be Carnage.
Fuck that shit, Jake Gillenhal (SP?) For Carnage all the way. In fact, that was one of the original rumors back when he was with Dunst.
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The guy who played him in the first movie fits the "before" pic more or less.

Depends on what they're doing with him, but Topher looks more like he should be Carnage.
Who played Eddie Brock in the first movie? I don't remember this, I do remember a guy playing Flash Thomson (bully in school) I only remember them mentioning Eddie Brock.
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Fuck that shit, Jake Gillenhal (SP?) For Carnage all the way. In fact, that was one of the original rumors back when he was with Dunst.
Errr...Joke? Does the guy even REMOTELY strike you as Carnage?
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In the end, I hope they do this right. Like many of you, I feel 3 is a lot of villians for one movie.
3 Villains could be cool, provided they don't occupy all his time. Have him like kick Andman's ass early on or some shit.
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Who played Eddie Brock in the first movie? I don't remember this, I do remember a guy playing Flash Thomson (bully in school) I only remember them mentioning Eddie Brock.
http://us.imdb.com/name/nm0263472/

Brock was essentially a cameo part, but he was there. When people were talking about Venom being in SM2, I was thinking they could extend Brock's role in this one, and work up to him in 3.
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Perhaps Venom will be the main villain, and the other two are like:

Harry's becoming more and more evil, but you never see him as Hobgoblin till the very end where he puts on the suit and it's ...To Be Continued...

And Sandman is just scientist that will turn into Sandman, like Doc Conners in S2
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I still havent seen spiderman 2 I was at the odeon and there was a technichal fault so I couldnt see the rest..
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Perhaps Venom will be the main villain, and the other two are like:

Harry's becoming more and more evil, but you never see him as Hobgoblin till the very end where he puts on the suit and it's ...To Be Continued...

And Sandman is just scientist that will turn into Sandman, like Doc Conners in S2
Venom won't be the title villain.

They're playing the tension between Parker and Harry so heavily I doubt we're going to wait another "episode" to see this develop. Even if he's not the Goblin, he will be HEAVILY involved. Most likely.

Sandman as a villain would work, especially since he'll be the first villain that can be "killed" without being killed.
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Hobgoblin- Good. I can understand using the hobgoblin instead of a second green goblin. It may seem repetitive to movie goers if there was a second green goblin.

Venom- Gay. Gay, gay, gay, gay gay. Unless they are only laying the groundwork for a future movie, this will be gay. But I don't think they are considering it was announced that grace will be playing Venom, and not Eddie Brock.
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Whats sandmans backstory and his weakness?
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His weaknesses include water and being turned into glass.
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