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Old 12-28-2008, 05:24 PM   #1
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Villan for Batman 3?
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I was going through his villians on wikipedia and while the Riddler is being hyped as the next villian I wouldn't mind seeing firefly as one or atleast a minor one for the next movie. The Riddler in the view of the public eye is just like a green joker, I'd like to see a lesser known villian grab the spot light before he does.



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Old 12-28-2008, 05:28 PM   #2
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"Green Joker"?!? Where did you get that from?
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:42 PM   #3
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ummm IGN I think
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Yeah, word from a few sources (I think Michael Caine among others) is that they want Johnny Depp to play the Riddler. Now, how much stock you should put in that is anybody's guess, since from the looks of it they're taking a breather before they even start thinking about Batman 3.
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Old 12-28-2008, 05:47 PM   #5
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Personally, I'd love to see some Bane.
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Poison Ivy, sans green skin and monster plants. Keep the toxin gimmick, sexuality.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:00 PM   #7
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Would LOVE to see more the scarecrow
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lol Scarecrow should be in every Batman Movie.

They could also play Wrath (A cop killer) as a minor villian to make the cops hate Batman even more.
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I read that Eddie Murphy is going to be the Riddler due to Johnny Depp filming another Pirates.....wtf
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:21 PM   #10
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I don't see Bane or Poison Ivy in the the next one, they don't seem to match the universe created, as no one seems to have actual powers.

I heard originally that the dude that was going to expose Bruce as Batman is the last one could be playing riddler

My personal choice by a country mile would be David Tennant:



As for other villians, they did make out that Joker was meant to be back, I don't think he should be re-cast, but having Harley Quinn in there could be all kinds of awesome, who to play her though is a different kettle of fish, I'm thinking someone like Britney Murphy.

Other potentials are the usual suspects like Hoffman for Penguin (Phillip-Seymour not Dustin)

There's always a danger that they might try to bring in Robin (dear god no!)

Catwomen?
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:24 PM   #11
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I read that Eddie Murphy is going to be the Riddler due to Johnny Depp filming another Pirates.....wtf
The only idea worse than that was Hitler's parents deciding to have children.

Eddie Murphy should stick to making un-funny movie where he plays himself in 18 different roles.

Seriously, if any producer is actually suggesting that, they should get several incurable diseases
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There were rumors for a while of an Eddie Murphy Riddler, but it's been massively debunked.

Thank God.

Bane never needed powers, and even in-canon his toxin was overkill. He's taken Batman without the venom serum, and certainly doesn't need it for movie purposes. Really, a heavy steroid mix shouldn't count as powers in the first place.

For the record, the guy that nearly exposed Bruce as Batman is named Mike Engal.

Mr. Engal.

Mr. E.

Say it out loud for me.
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Old 12-28-2008, 06:38 PM   #13
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They could have Bane with roids, ok, I'll give you that.

Would be great if they did that Bane unlocks the Asylum storyline, that would be a great way to introduce a few guys at once.
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They already unlocked the asylum in the first movie.
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I'd kill to see Bane done correctly, but I doubt it'll happen.

Pretty sure Nolan said he had no interest in portraying the Penguin, so you gotta figure that puts the Riddler next in line. Mr. Freeze would be interesting, but he's probably a bit too far out for the more realistic universe. Same with Poison Ivy. Can't really think of any top tier villains who could carry a film on their own other than those ones.

In terms of lesser known villains, I'd dig seeing David Cain (or Lady Shiva), King Snake, or Deadshot.
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Catwomen could easily carry a 3rd film. With Rachael dead, it sets it up perfectly
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I don't know if they'd want to risk Catwoman at this point. I mean, the Halle Berry flick wasn't that long ago...
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Yeah forgot about Catwoman. But I'm not sure if she's a film carrying antagonist like Joker or Ras. Catwoman works better when she's off in the shadows, half against Batman, half with him.
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Old 12-28-2008, 07:52 PM   #19
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I don't think Halle Berry's Catwoman will scare them off, especially in this reboot-happy Hollywood era.

And frankly, I'm a bit tired of being portrayed as so stupid I couldn't tell one version of a superhero from another. Ironically, comic fans been used to alternate versions of classic heroes for decades now. I don't think casual fans will destroy their brains seeing a new Catwoman either.
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I think Catwoman was bad enough to ruin anything involving the character for the next five years or so, to be honest.

I mean, there's bad renditions, and then there's Catwoman.
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I dont understand the need to overlook The Penguin.

I could see the penguin as some kind of Ganster who is trying to put back together the underworld while Batman is being hunted by the police. Make him a mafia type club owner who everyone calls the penguin due to his stature and shape.

Hell it can be a derogotory term for him, a media nick name even, there is no actual need for him to be part human part penguin.
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I wouldn't rule out a part man/part penguin person in this world we live in, much less in a movie that is loosely based on this world.
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I don't see why Penguin would be so hard to portray. There are people out there that have some freaky mutations, so I don't see why having a guy who is disfigured to the point that he looks like a penguin is too absurd for this franchise. In fact the psychological implications of such a mutation as it relates to his sociopathic behavior would make for a fine third Batman movie.
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The comicbook Penguin had no physical deformities at all. He didn't have webbed fingers or any of that shit, he never lived in the sewers, etc. It was only like that in Batman Returns. He was only called the Penguin because of his long nose, and because he waddled when he was a kid.

I can understand how he would be better avoided, though. He's not actually supposed to be sociopathic; he is, within canon, completely aware of himself and fully competent. He's hard to portray in that context because he's... just sort of a weird character. Batman Returns had to almost totally transform him across the board to make him work at all, and I can understand why they'd rather pick a character they can use as-is instead of totally reinventing.

So far, the villains used have been pretty well in their element; actual, comicbook depictions of the Joker and the Scarecrow akin to their movie counterparts have been around forever. Part of what I loved about Dark Knight Joker was all the comic shoutouts and in-jokes. With the Penguin, though... they'd have to change him pretty heavily to make him interesting, which would alienate some fans. It'd be easier to just pick someone that doesn't need as much changing.
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I'd love to see some lesser known villains. My first choice would have to be Raiz Alghoul (sp?). For those who don't remember him, he is the dude that has the Lazarus pits or w/e and is basically Immortal.

Another good one would be to have 2-face back and have Clayface as the second villain. That would be excellent.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:14 AM   #28
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:29 AM   #30
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You act as if I don't realize he was the antagonist in Batman Begins. What you fail to realize is that in canon, he has the ability to transfer his conciousness into other beings. This makes him prime choice for a rehash. Considering the talk of using the Joker again, I feel he is better in that he avoids the type of shit bringing back the Joker would bring the film after Ledgers death. I only refer to him as lesser known because people not familiar with Batman have no clue who he is.

Obviously you think he died at the end of BB. Maybe you should read more of the actual comics, jackass.
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I like how people take the villains of batman like mr freeze or bain and say that theyre too unrealistic for the universe... What did you think when you heard that the scare crow and raz were going to be the villains in the first movie? Thay could make them work, it would take a lot of imagination but it could work.

If scare crow can have a serum that can make people hallucinate their worst fears, then im sure a serum can be created to turn bain into a supersoldier.

Bain isnt a complex enough character to stand alone in the nolan batmans tho. A johnny depp riddler would be cool, and a brittney murphy harley quinn would be perfect match of character to actress. A catwoman might work to if they take her from the angle that shes a cat bugerler and not actually dressing up like a cat.
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You act as if I don't realize he was the antagonist in Batman Begins. What you fail to realize is that in canon, he has the ability to transfer his conciousness into other beings. This makes him prime choice for a rehash. Considering the talk of using the Joker again, I feel he is better in that he avoids the type of shit bringing back the Joker would bring the film after Ledgers death. I only refer to him as lesser known because people not familiar with Batman have no clue who he is.

Obviously you think he died at the end of BB. Maybe you should read more of the actual comics, jackass.
We all know about Ras' gimmick, and so does Chris Nolan.

It's not happening so long as he's at the helm, buddy.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:34 AM   #33
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You act as if I don't realize he was the antagonist in Batman Begins. What you fail to realize is that in canon, he has the ability to transfer his conciousness into other beings. This makes him prime choice for a rehash. Considering the talk of using the Joker again, I feel he is better in that he avoids the type of shit bringing back the Joker would bring the film after Ledgers death. I only refer to him as lesser known because people not familiar with Batman have no clue who he is.

Obviously you think he died at the end of BB. Maybe you should read more of the actual comics, jackass.
There's a pretty big difference between "They should bring Ra's back" and "Hey, they should try somebody obscure, like that Ra's fellow. Anybody know who Ra's is?" Don't bitch at other people when you make yourself sound like an idiot. Plus, they referenced his reported immortality several times in Batman Begins, and he did in fact "come back from the dead." Don't pretend your original post didn't sound stupid, because it did.

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I like how people take the villains of batman like mr freeze or bain and say that theyre too unrealistic for the universe... What did you think when you heard that the scare crow and raz were going to be the villains in the first movie? Thay could make them work, it would take a lot of imagination but it could work.

If scare crow can have a serum that can make people hallucinate their worst fears, then im sure a serum can be created to turn bain into a supersoldier.

Bain isnt a complex enough character to stand alone in the nolan batmans tho. A johnny depp riddler would be cool, and a brittney murphy harley quinn would be perfect match of character to actress. A catwoman might work to if they take her from the angle that shes a cat bugerler and not actually dressing up like a cat.
You don't actually know that much about Bane, do you?
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He also out-thought and out-planned the Bat, and could have done what he did without any chemical aid.


But I have to keep myself from fanboying out.
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I'd really like to see The Riddler. I don't think he'd been a "green Joker." I doubt whoever plays him (Eddie Murphy lol come on) will be as good as Heath but there's lots of potential. I'd love to see The Riddler leading Batman into traps, almost making it seem like he's on Batman's side since he is now against the cops and making the cops think he's against Batman but he's really on no ones side, just trying to cause chaos.

Fuck, that almost sounds like The Joker-lite.

Robin heel turn? I really don't know. I like some of the ideas in this thread though. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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I don't know much about Batman so I probably shouldn't even be in this thread. But I always found The Riddler to be cool and never really thought of him as similar to The Joker other than their names being related to comedy.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:42 AM   #38
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Yeah, that's where the green Joker issue comes in. The Joker, despite being an improviser, improvised well enough that it seemed beautifully orchestrated from the beginning. Running the Riddle as doing exactly the same results with different motions in the background... well, you can see where the problem comes up. They'd have to really use their noodles to think of ways to differentiate this character's antics from the Joker's, especially since the Joker's plot ended up being so masterful.
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I wasnt referring to bain in the comics being a supersoldier I was giving a possible spin for the movie. Oh god please tell me your getting all worked up because you think Im messing up the origin of a character you like!!!!
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Hush would be cool, with some revisions to his character. And what's up with Leslie Thompskins?
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