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Old 12-29-2008, 02:46 AM   #41
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Instead of having the riddler focus on all around chaos like the joker, his motivation should be similar in the way it executed but be more focused on one person. Either another character in the story or batman/bruce wayne himself.
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I wasnt referring to bain in the comics being a supersoldier I was giving a possible spin for the movie. Oh god please tell me your getting all worked up because you think Im messing up the origin of a character you like!!!!
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Instead of having the riddler focus on all around chaos like the joker, his motivation should be similar in the way it executed but be more focused on one person. Either another character in the story or batman/bruce wayne himself.
You realize that the Joker's entire plot was to get to Batman, right...?
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Hush would be cool, with some revisions to his character. And what's up with Leslie Thompskins?
Hush keeps crossing my mind, but appearance-wise... well, with the Watchman so close, and he sorta looks like Rorschach...
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:51 AM   #45
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I'm sure it will be done and Ledger's death has nothing to do with this but seriously this




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I'd love to see some lesser known villains. My first choice would have to be Raiz Alghoul (sp?). For those who don't remember him, he is the dude that has the Lazarus pits or w/e and is basically Immortal.

Another good one would be to have 2-face back and have Clayface as the second villain. That would be excellent.
doesn't clayface change into shapes? that seems to unrealistic for this series
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:52 AM   #47
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A character like Edward Nigma is right up Nolan's alley. I'm sure he can create some mind-fucks with the character's gimmick. The whole theme of the movie could be a guessing game sort of thing. Joker's antics were more on the line of shocking traumatic twists and turns, whereas Riddler does want you to solve the case in a way (like Jigsaw). In this way clues could be left all over the movie in a way we'd need to watch it again to fully see Riddler's game at work. Selina Kyle could be thrown in as a wild card as well, working within the Rachael's dead plot and the whole with Bruce/against Bruce thread.
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I think that's why Johnny Depp's name keeps getting tossed around, really. If anybody can conceivably keep up, it might have to be Depp--a man that's pretended to be Ledger for at least one event.
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Hush keeps crossing my mind, but appearance-wise... well, with the Watchman so close, and he sorta looks like Rorschach...
Yeah...

But it looks like Watchmen won't be out for another 100 years so...
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:54 AM   #50
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You act as if I don't realize he was the antagonist in Batman Begins. What you fail to realize is that in canon, he has the ability to transfer his conciousness into other beings. This makes him prime choice for a rehash. Considering the talk of using the Joker again, I feel he is better in that he avoids the type of shit bringing back the Joker would bring the film after Ledgers death. I only refer to him as lesser known because people not familiar with Batman have no clue who he is.

Obviously you think he died at the end of BB. Maybe you should read more of the actual comics, jackass.
I know he didnt die at the end of the movie you fuckwit, Its not my fault you made yourself to look severely retarded by looking like you didnt know he was in the first movie.
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:54 AM   #51
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What does it matter what I know about him, that wasnt even the point of what I was saying before. Do you disagree with the fact that he could relatively easyly be put into the nolan universe version of batman?
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Old 12-29-2008, 02:55 AM   #52
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I still say Terrible Trio as an opening act, setting up something with... Killer Croc



They could set something up as "Similar to the Joker," but noting that something just... seems off. Maybe use the fact that it seems too choreographed? The Joker pulls things out of his ass and it happens to work. The Riddler plans everything to precise detail, even going so far as to taunt the police with Riddles...

And I just summed up the Riddler's MO...
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Yeah, I realized afterwards it sounded retarded in a thread where most ppl are familiar with Batman. Didn't really think much of it as I had this discussion with everyone at work and most of them are like "Who the hell is Ra's Alghoul?? We waan more Joker!!11!" Guess I just assumed everyone else was oblivious as well.

Anyways, Bane 'could' work, but they would have to take care to make him more 'serious' than his previous film incarnation. He was dumbed down far too much and made too lackeyish. Use him properly, and he could be gold.

As for Catwoman, I'd leave her unused for awhile. Same with Poison Ivy.

If they do go with Riddler, I'd like to see him played by the guy who played the Goblin in Spiderman. Can't remember his name all of a sudden. Depp would be great, but he is overdone IMO. Pair Riddler with Mad Hatter and have 2 'insane' villains messing with Batmans mind. A movie based off of the psychological implications this causes Bruce would be amazing.
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You realize that the Joker's entire plot was to get to Batman, right...?
You realize that changed by the end of the movie right?


Im thinking the riddler start big and end small or rather go from chaos to focusing in on one person where the joker went small and then branched out to the city.
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Joker plan A: Corrupt Batman
Joker plan B: Corrupt Dent
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What does it matter what I know about him, that wasnt even the point of what I was saying before. Do you disagree with the fact that he could relatively easyly be put into the nolan universe version of batman?
He doesn't need to be chemically enhanced. It's not necessary to the character at all. Making him some sort of chemical supersoldier is just slapping on more unrealistic silliness for no particular reason, unless you desperately want a rehash of Batman & Robin.

Batman & Robin = Why you need to know about the characters you're trying to write for. Before you tell me about how you're not personally writing the movie and it doesn't matter, well... don't post if you're going to say something stupid.
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Joker plan A: Corrupt Batman
Joker plan B: Corrupt Dent
Plan C turn the city against itself
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If they do go with Riddler, I'd like to see him played by the guy who played the Goblin in Spiderman. Can't remember his name all of a sudden. Depp would be great, but he is overdone IMO. Pair Riddler with Mad Hatter and have 2 'insane' villains messing with Batmans mind. A movie based off of the psychological implications this causes Bruce would be amazing.
Which Goblin?

William Defoe or James Franco
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He doesn't need to be chemically enhanced. It's not necessary to the character at all. Making him some sort of chemical supersoldier is just slapping on more unrealistic silliness for no particular reason, unless you desperately want a rehash of Batman & Robin.

Batman & Robin = Why you need to know about the characters you're trying to write for. Before you tell me about how you're not personally writing the movie and it doesn't matter, well... don't post if you're going to say something stupid.
again missing the point. I never said he had to be. I gave a suggestion as to how he could fit, especially if you wanted to take the chemical route. People were questioning the ability to put him in the movie and I gave a possibility that would seemingly fit with the format of the last two.
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william defoe would be interesting
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Yes, turning him into Captain America definitely fits the format of the last two
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doesn't clayface change into shapes? that seems to unrealistic for this series
Clayface can indeed shapeshift. However, in keeping the serious tone, they could simply have his 'strectch' ability. I guess kinda akin to Sandman in the Spidey flicks. Just don't have him fully devolve into the clay blob form, really, and just base it off his gradual decline into the monster. The character definately has the mindset for this series. Just make him secondary villain so he isn't the main focus and it would work.
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William Defoe or James Franco
William Defoe.
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In my honest opinion, the only person I would deem acceptable to pick up the Jokers mantle would be Johnny Deep. He has shown time and again that the roles he plays are seperate from himself.

I mean you dont see him and go "Thats Johhny Deep"

you see him and go "Thats E.g Jack Sparrow, Edward Scissorhands, etc"
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I wonder how Jim Carrey would look as the Joker...
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Oh now your just being silly
Ra's was a thinker within a plausible organization and an often agreeable viewpoint, foreign to help you stretch that disbelief. The Scarecrow was a psychologist with a drug that mirrors effects of real life hallucinogens. The Joker was a man with realistic psychological issues and a perspective that mimics real, accepted ideals.

You're suggesting that the next villain should be a chemically pumped up military project instead of, say, a self made man with high but nonetheless human potential strength that simply outthinks, then overpowers Batman out of morbid curiousity and the desire for challenge, leading out of something seemingly bigger to wear Batman down--setting up for other portions of the movie.

Y'know, like he was in the comics. But why do that, when we could pump him full of phlebotinum and make his strength super human? Yeah, that's realism at its finest.
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I can't see him, or anyone, topping Ledgers performance though. Ledger was simply astounding. It would be an insult to recast Joker now. Maybe down the line somewhere. Just not any time soon.
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I especially love that pumping him full of chemicals is "making him fit" into the universe, despite offering no insight whatsoever into motive or agenda. It's just making Bane less human for the sake of making it campy, then claiming it's to wedge him in appropriately.
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Now that I think about it, cast Defoe as Riddler and Depp as the Hatter. Book it. Depp is better suited to the more insane/fragile of the two.
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I can't see him, or anyone, topping Ledgers performance though. Ledger was simply astounding. It would be an insult to recast Joker now. Maybe down the line somewhere. Just not any time soon.
I never said he would top it. I dont think anyone ever will.

Also I think it would be bad taste to have him in the next movie, they could play it off by mentioning casually that he is safely locked up in Arkham.

And like I said. Depp is the only one I think that could pull off the role well enough without an insult to Ledger that would make people happy.
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I can't see him, or anyone, topping Ledgers performance though. Ledger was simply astounding. It would be an insult to recast Joker now. Maybe down the line somewhere. Just not any time soon.
We might have to see how The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus goes--after all, Depp apparently portrays Ledger portraying another character in the movie. Could be a pretty big mind fuck.
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We might have to see how The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus goes--after all, Depp apparently portrays Ledger portraying another character in the movie. Could be a pretty big mind fuck.
SO is what you just posted.
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SO is what you just posted.
No shitting, though. Colin Ferrell, Johnny Depp and I think one other guy pick up the parts that Ledger left behind when he passed away--so they literally pretend they're Ledger playing those parts.

And Tom Waits is in it. Movie's going to blow my fucking face off.
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We might have to see how The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus goes--after all, Depp apparently portrays Ledger portraying another character in the movie. Could be a pretty big mind fuck.
Mind = blown.
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Heres a question. Who would you cast as Bane?
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So Depp played Ledger. Wow. If he did good it might change peoples minds about Joker being recast.
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