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Old 11-19-2007, 01:24 AM   #681
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I wouldn't want Herb Dean calling one of my fights. He'd have tried to call the Alexander-Silva fight after Houston's big takedown.

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Old 11-19-2007, 02:00 AM   #682
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Yeh I'm not a big Herb Dean fan either...a nasty staredown is grounds for ref stoppage in his book.
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Old 11-19-2007, 03:52 PM   #684
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common now. if your getting taken down then your doing something wrong. now if the person who is doing the takedowns cant do shit on the ground doest mean the takedowns shouldnt be scored, it means they need to learn how to fight on the ground. takedowns should be scored just as much as clean strikes because you can get knocked out by a well positioned takedown just like a well placed shot to the chin.

Im sure your a big bisbing fan and im not a rashad fan but you have to admit tht the only thing that bisbing did was stand up from takedowns. he was tenetive the entire time and let rashad control the pace of the fight. maybe rashad didnt really BEAT bisbing but bisbing did nothing to win the fight.
Doing a takedown which leads to something aggressive is fine. Otherwise it's the ground game equievent of a jab. I like Bisping but thought he lost but the takedown thing has bothered me for ages. It was just worse the other night when Bisping got up from every single takedown without too much trouble. Ortiz, Liddell and Hughes always capitalise on the takedown. Evans never does which is a shame because obviously it works for him.
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I've got a question though....who the hell were those refs last night?? Where were guys like Herb Dean, Steve Mazzagatti(sp?) and "big" John McCarthy?
New Jersey appointed their own referees and wanted nobody connected with the UFC. The refs all did good jobs and all have past MMA experience. I think 2 of them have previously worked old UFC shows. I'd worry about their doctors though.
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Doing a takedown which leads to something aggressive is fine. Otherwise it's the ground game equievent of a jab. I like Bisping but thought he lost but the takedown thing has bothered me for ages. It was just worse the other night when Bisping got up from every single takedown without too much trouble. Ortiz, Liddell and Hughes always capitalise on the takedown. Evans never does which is a shame because obviously it works for him.
I see what your sayen. I just think not scoring for take downs at all would be extreme. For example, If Bisbing offset the takedowns with something aggressive like good strikes or just going after evans on the feet, then Id say that giving evans the fight because he took bisbing down would be bull shit. However this is one of the times where takedowns were the only difference and the only thing done to counter them was stand up and escape. It would be like two fighters standing and one guy just lands jabs or leg kicks the whole fight and the other guy just checks them. I thought the fight was boring as hell, as Im sure you did too. I dunno, Im not trying to argue or anything cuz I agree with you for the most part, like i said I just dont think that they can change the way they score takedowns.
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Old 11-20-2007, 11:24 AM   #687
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Man that fight sucked though (bisping), there were a few snorefests, which is a shame, as I'm a Karo fan, and I think he desrves a title shot, but with performances like that...

He controlled the whole fight, but there was just nothing to it
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It wasn't Bisping's fault is sucked mate. The live crowd was turning on Evans according to a couple of people I know who were there. Just a bad show.
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It wasn't Bisping's fault is sucked mate. The live crowd was turning on Evans according to a couple of people I know who were there. Just a bad show.
Undercard was solid, and yeah the crowd turned on the main fight
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That should never have been a main event. 5 Champions in the company and you cant have one title fight every ppv?
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That should never have been a main event. 5 Champions in the company and you cant have one title fight every ppv?
One champion left the company. One champion is out injured until roughly March. One champion is fighting a drug suspension (and even then, a title fight has been lined up). One champion just fought on PPV and the last is gonna be fighting on the next one.

This is why you can't have title fights on every show. And Zuffa should have got a deal with Tito Ortiz signed first before they planned the show.
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Old 11-21-2007, 04:58 AM   #692
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One champion left the company. One champion is out injured until roughly March. One champion is fighting a drug suspension (and even then, a title fight has been lined up). One champion just fought on PPV and the last is gonna be fighting on the next one.

This is why you can't have title fights on every show. And Zuffa should have got a deal with Tito Ortiz signed first before they planned the show.
Don't they have some sort of injury rule? Like if your out for X amount of days and can't defend you have to give it up?

I agree that a title fight on each show would be better, or at least a number 1 contender fight on each show. That's 10 main events right there.

But obviously right now it's kind of hard to when you only have 2 active champs
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its only if its career threatening or over a year long injury that they impliment the injury policy
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Don't they have some sort of injury rule? Like if your out for X amount of days and can't defend you have to give it up?

I agree that a title fight on each show would be better, or at least a number 1 contender fight on each show. That's 10 main events right there.

But obviously right now it's kind of hard to when you only have 2 active champs
It's still hard your way. Say GSP beat Koscheck and was #1 to Hughes or Serra and one of them got hurt, you lost a fight right there.
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I recal a PPV that had 2 titles fights on it. I know Tim Sylvia sucks ass, but still, there should not be 2 title fights on one PPV.
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Totally agree with that too. Only time I had no problem with it was when the winners of TUF 4 were meant to get title shots on the same show and that didn't happen eventually.
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It's still hard your way. Say GSP beat Koscheck and was #1 to Hughes or Serra and one of them got hurt, you lost a fight right there.
Ok, well at least have a marquee match with 'name' on it then.

The only guys I was interested in for the last show were Karo and Housten, now I admit to being a casual fan and most of my knowledge of UFC comes from those UFC unleashed shows that are on Bravo, but they were the most exciting fighters to me personally based on what I've seen them do.

I would think that they should be trying harder to get me as a casual to want to watch it, when it's Rampage Vs Chuck, I'm there, when it's Griffin Vs anyone, i'm there. But Bisping/Evans just doesn't set my world on fire. I know they need to build potential stars, but I think they are choosing the wrong type of people for the job
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Ok, well at least have a marquee match with 'name' on it then.

The only guys I was interested in for the last show were Karo and Housten, now I admit to being a casual fan and most of my knowledge of UFC comes from those UFC unleashed shows that are on Bravo, but they were the most exciting fighters to me personally based on what I've seen them do.

I would think that they should be trying harder to get me as a casual to want to watch it, when it's Rampage Vs Chuck, I'm there, when it's Griffin Vs anyone, i'm there. But Bisping/Evans just doesn't set my world on fire. I know they need to build potential stars, but I think they are choosing the wrong type of people for the job

That's exactly my feeling. TUFers aren't necessarily stars. Yeah good fighters but just cuz somebody was on TUF doesn't mean they should headline a mediocre PPV. Try to put a title fight or a name on a card. Hell, had it been Rashad vs Tito 2 I would've been more interested. Tito vs Bisbing would've been something. No I'm not really a Tito fan but the guy creates a buzz.

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O NO... From Meltzer

UFC's biggest grudge of the year is off



It was announced officially today that UFC welterweight champion Matt Serra suffered a herniated disc in his lower back in a freak training accident on Monday and after being examined, pulled out today of his match with Matt Hughes, scheduled for 12/29 in Las Vegas.
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That fucking sucks. They better not strip Serra of the title.
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that sucks
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Matt Hughes was offered a fight with Jon Fitch on the show. No decisions are gonna be made on replacement fighters or the title situation until after the weekend.
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that would be an ok fight
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That would be a fantastic fight and Fitch would win, but i really would love to see GSP say fuck it and ask for the fight. Just to see the 3 and final fight between those two.
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GSP should not take the fight on 6 weeks notice.
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Yeah, too big of a match for GSP right now to take on that little notice.
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Wow, lol. So now Serra will hold the record for longest welterweight champ and not even defending it...well i'm joking but still. That's what they get for holding him out for so long ..hopefully they find a suitable replacment.
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And remember it was UFC who booked it for December. They could have did this 4 months earlier easy.
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I think if they're gonna create an 'interim' Lightweight title, they should do the same here. Have Hughes vs. Fitch for the Interim Welterweight Title and then defend it against Serra promptly upon his return.
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sherdog said that GSP took the match. This sucks because I love GSP but I want hughes to fight serra.
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Hughes/GSP should take place in Canada. There would be an insane amout of heat for it.
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Old 11-25-2007, 02:08 PM   #712
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I really wanted too see Hughes/Serra to.
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Old 11-25-2007, 06:38 PM   #713
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sherdog said that GSP took the match. This sucks because I love GSP but I want hughes to fight serra.
It will still happen. It's a money fight.
GSP has balls though. I predict same result as last time though.
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Old 11-25-2007, 07:31 PM   #714
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I think GSP will take him. I hope so at least. Although I still really want to see Serra vs Hughes, there is no telling if that will happen for a long time now.
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It's gotta happen once Serra gets back. Either he fights Hughes first or fights GSP then Hughes whether it's a title fight or not. HAS to happen. To be fair, Dana always puts on the big fights.
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Wow..and it's gonna go 5 rounds too . More time for GSP to kick his ass ..god I hope he does.
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Interim Title match as well. Good. Serra vs. either will be a good match on down the line also.
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GSP better get on him and knock him out like before because guys who take short notice fights dont do to well when it gets into the fourth and fifth rounds
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Yea I have a feeling Hughes will last till the 4th or 5th then get a submission. Bastard
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called it btw

I think GSP will destroy Hughes.
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