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Old 02-05-2016, 07:54 PM   #761
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Smackdown this week was #1 18-49.
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“Family Guy” and “American Dad” reruns grabbed the top spots in this week’s Thursday cable ratings with 1.0 and 0.9 ratings in adults 18-49. Meanwhile, “WWE Smackdown” fell one tenth from its 0.9 rating last week to a 0.8, but still managed to claim the top non-rerun spot in the rankings.
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And interested in hearing you dispute the SD was NUMBER ONE IN THE KEY DEMO.
Am I dreaming this shit right now!? You can't be this retarded! lol
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Old 02-05-2016, 07:59 PM   #762
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I... I just... Are you shitting me right now? IT'S RIGHT FUCKING THERE! Read the first sentence of the page, FFS! lol

Are you now saying Family Guy reruns had an unfair advantage because it WASN'T in prime time? Holy fuck...
its not about unfair advantage. Its you not understanding what you are reading.

A 1.0 in 18-49 is not the same as a 1.0 at 8PM. You have fewer viewers watching TV past 11PM. Thats why advertisers care most about the 8PM-11PM window, because thats when the most people are watching TV.

At the end of the day an advertiser will care about the total audience and the 18-49 audience. Smackdown did roughly 2.7 million viewers. Even though FG got a 0.1 higher 18-49 rating, because fewer people had their TV on, they actually had LESS viewers than SD.

I understand this can be a complicated topic, so its understandable you keep looking bad.
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Old 02-05-2016, 07:59 PM   #763
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i already addressed the demo thing. RAW wins every week with men 18-49, the hip hop show wins with women. The total 18-49 number is razor close. Vh1 has less distribution, so RAW draws more viewers in total and most likely 18-49 as well. Pay me a consulting fee and I will teach you the nuances of ratings. It will prevent you from looking dumb.
We get it. The most important demo is whichever specific one fits your argument best. Not 18-49 because that's bad for your argument. 18-49 men. And Smackdown beats Family Guy in the MOST MOST important demo of 18-49 males who are wrestling fans. Understood. Now moving on...

See my post above. Are you retarded?
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You are literally wrong. It was literally not #1 for the night in the key demo. Literally.

And the shifting of the goalposts for what the key demo is when it comes to Raw is pretty ridiculous.
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We get it. The most important demo is whichever specific one fits your argument best. Not 18-49 because that's bad for your argument. 18-49 men. And Smackdown beats Family Guy in the MOST MOST important demo of 18-49 males who are wrestling fans. Understood. Now moving on...

See my post above. Are you retarded?
Bud you just dont understand how the business works. Its comical at this point.

This whole thread should automatically be linked to your profile so people can see how uneducated on the matter you are.

You just read 1.0 and think "oh 1.0 is bigger than 0.9, so 1.0 must be better". But its not. If you think Family Guy had more viewers 18-49 than Smackdown, well that would just precious.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:06 PM   #766
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You are literally wrong. It was literally not #1 for the night in the key demo. Literally.

And the shifting of the goalposts for what the key demo is when it comes to Raw is pretty ridiculous.
In the TV business nobody would compare a show at 11PM to 12AM to a show between 8PM and 10PM.

If you brought in that argument to a meeting about how ad dollars would spent on TV you would be laughed out of the building and likely fired on the spot.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:12 PM   #767
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Also no shifting about RAW.

The problem is you dont have all the information. You go to one website and you think you know everything. There are more details to understand.

Ive never claimed WWE does the best rating, I always talk about viewership. And when you look further into the numbers you would see for men 18-49 RAW more than doubles the rating (not viewership) that Love and Hip Hop does, but Love and Hip Hop more than doubles the women 18-49 rating that RAW does. This week it netted out better for Hip Hop because a lot of people were watching election coverage, and that rating skews more towards men. So RAW will be more impacted because its show relies more heavily on men.
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Just gonna quote that from now on. Family Guy got the bigger share. It was #1. You can claim you were narrowing it down all you want. You've done it before. I'll trust this site over CyNick when it comes to which show was tops in the demographic for Thursday night.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:14 PM   #769
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In terms of viewers. RAW did 3.6 million at 8PM and Love and Hip Hop did 2.6 million viewers at the same time.
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In terms of viewers. RAW did 3.6 million at 8PM and Love and Hip Hop did 2.6 million viewers at the same time.
Please point out to me at what point the total viewers of these two shows were disputed.
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Just gonna quote that from now on. Family Guy got the bigger share. It was #1. You can claim you were narrowing it down all you want. You've done it before. I'll trust this site over CyNick when it comes to which show was tops in the demographic for Thursday night.
Staying ignorant I see

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Please point out to me at what point the total viewers of these two shows were disputed.
I'm just helping everyone understand the facts. You're a lost cause.
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Old 02-05-2016, 08:18 PM   #773
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More kids and men watch Raw than Love and Hip Hop.

POP OPEN THE CHAMPAGNE!

They can keep hitting new milestone low ratings for a couple more years. As long as they're beating Love and Hip Hop in total viewers, it's all good. No reason to put forth any effort.
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Also no shifting about RAW.

The problem is you dont have all the information. You go to one website and you think you know everything. There are more details to understand.

Ive never claimed WWE does the best rating, I always talk about viewership. And when you look further into the numbers you would see for men 18-49 RAW more than doubles the rating (not viewership) that Love and Hip Hop does, but Love and Hip Hop more than doubles the women 18-49 rating that RAW does. This week it netted out better for Hip Hop because a lot of people were watching election coverage, and that rating skews more towards men. So RAW will be more impacted because its show relies more heavily on men.
No. You're shifting. 18-49 is the key demo. You've admitted as much yourself. But Raw loses in that demo. So you have to shift the key demo to MEN 18-49 so you can say that Raw wins in the key demo despite the fact that they don't. You change the definition so it works for you. It's blatant shifting. lol
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Didn't know they were sub-3 in 97. I started watching in 98, though.

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More kids and men watch Raw than Love and Hip Hop.

POP OPEN THE CHAMPAGNE!

They can keep hitting new milestone low ratings for a couple more years. As long as they're beating Love and Hip Hop in total viewers, it's all good. No reason to put forth any effort.
RAW actually also does well with people 50+

You keep focusing on the one show. They beat everything in viewership. They beat LAHH in ratings in every demo other than women under 49.

They are also steadily beating the NBA. Is that impressive or is NBA just some random show.

They have two nights a week where they draw more viewers than anything else on cable. Is that something to be happy about?

When you beat everyone on your night, or even say I take your elementary understanding of ratings and say they are top 5 of everything on cable on the nights they are on, would you be happy with that?

If you are USA and you have no other shows that track on cable other than one hour of Suits, would you be happy with FIVE HOURS of most watched programming?

You're so fixated on your narrative that WWE sucks that you are ignoring the facts. And what you think are facts to show WWE is struggling is you saying they are #2 or #3 among 150+ shows that night. You dont know how much I laugh at your posts on this subject.
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No. You're shifting. 18-49 is the key demo. You've admitted as much yourself. But Raw loses in that demo. So you have to shift the key demo to MEN 18-49 so you can say that Raw wins in the key demo despite the fact that they don't. You change the definition so it works for you. It's blatant shifting. lol
No, its understanding the numbers. Men are more coveted in the advertising world. They make more money and have more to spend. So yes, 18-49 is a key demo, but given the choice, when the numbers are so close, I would rather have the show that appeals to men. Plus, the numbers are not even close when you factor in total viewers, so RAW is going to be the more attractive property for advertisers. Which in turn would generate more money. Which is the reason for TV shows existing.
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Looking at that chart, the real drop was from 2001 to 2003-04. Since then I would guess the numbers have been pretty steady with cable as a whole. More and more people are going to other sources to consume entertainment. Thats not going to change anytime soon. There are also nuances to the data. For example, are those numbers factoring in LIVE +7. In 1999 that really wasnt a thing, now its huge.

On top of that, you have shorter attention spans, so things like You Tube are used which didnt exists in 1999 as a means for watching TV. We know WWE has one of the most popular You Tube channels. As people get more and more accustomed to seeing ads on You Tube, WWE will be able to turn that into a massive revenue stream.
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Shut the fuck up you idiot.

Nobody thinks they are doing "terrible", they are just pulling mediocre MEH ratings because they can just maintain the status quo and that's okay for their bottom line.

You are honestly a giant piece of shit. Just go away already.
"MEH" ratings but them at the top of the heap.

Tough standard you have there
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Raw should move to Sundays so it can TROUNCE Walking Dead in the ratings.

P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
Season 4 premiere did 16.1 million viewers
Season 5 premiere did 17.3 million viewers
Season 6 premiere did 14.6 million viewers

down approx 15% YoY. Down roughly 10% YTD YoY. Amazing numbers, but your statement is a little off.

But good try little buddy.
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Oh my fucking god it's television ratings, who gives a fuck?
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I just love how CyNick goes on about WWE ad revenues and shit when no one is questioning wether they are making money. The simple fact is WWEs ratings are declining at a steady basis and you cant argue that.
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P.S. Walking Dead's ratings have gone up every year over the past 5 seasons despite "TV ratings being down across the board". Raw's have gone down. But we can't make that comparison because Walking Dead isn't on Mondays...
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Season 4 premiere did 16.1 million viewers
Season 5 premiere did 17.3 million viewers
Season 6 premiere did 14.6 million viewers

down approx 15% YoY. Down roughly 10% YTD YoY. Amazing numbers, but your statement is a little off.

But good try little buddy.
Season 1 average viewers: 5.24 million
Season 2 average viewers: 6.90 million
Season 3 average viewers: 10.40 million
Season 4 average viewers: 13.30 million
Season 5 average viewers: 14.40 million

But yeah, you wanna pick one episode that "proves" your point instead of looking at the entire year. It's the same thing that happens when Raw goes up for one week and you sarcastically ask everyone "does this mean things are good again?"

Just like when the average temperature is higher one year than it was the last it proves global warming is a myth.

Good try, you dumb fuck.
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Didn't know they were sub-3 in 97. I started watching in 98, though.

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Came extremely close to getting canceled by USA Network at the time which led to the drastic changes that eventually helped WWF beat WCW in the end.
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Oh my god who the fuck cares!!!? Like seriously do you all take WWE ratings this seriously? Do you guys not have anything else in your life's to worry about besides what's going on in WWE or how they do in ratings every week?
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I always find it funny when someone comes into a thread on a wrestling message board and takes the time to tell people how they shouldn't be wasting time discussing something trivial in a thread on a wrestling message board.
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Oh my god who the fuck cares!!!? Like seriously do you all take WWE ratings this seriously? Do you guys not have anything else in your life's to worry about besides what's going on in WWE or how they do in ratings every week?
You know you can just not read the thread you big wang.
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Why is this thread still going on? Seriously, you people are retarded for talking to Cynick still. Of course it is bad to have less viewers than beforr. Everyone knows this but you are all being trolled for like 2 months in the SAME thread.
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But if we want to keep going back and forth with him I don't understand what the problem is.

I hate the notion that you obviously think you're too cool Ruien. Who fucking cares if we want to fuck around and argue with CyNick. It's OUR spare time we'll use it how we want. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's not fun to us.
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So, you enjoy arguing with someone who does not remotely care one bit? Okay then. Continue typing away to Cynick.

I am so way cooler than you. Sorry
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Man, people are really bothered by talking. I don't know why anyone would come in here if they didn't want to see CyNick schooled.
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So, you enjoy arguing with someone who does not remotely care one bit? Okay then. Continue typing away to Cynick.

I am so way cooler than you. Sorry
Well he cares enough to come back and banter back and forth. So we play the game.


I assume you enjoy telling people how much cooler you are than them or else you wouldn't do it.
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Man, people are really bothered by talking. I don't know why anyone would come in here if they didn't want to see CyNick schooled.
Or if they wanted to see us schooled if you love the cynick and think he makes great points.

It's the same as sports talk radio, it's a waste of time and you argue the same things but you do it for the banter.

People like Ruien like to be "that guy" because he's so cool and well adjusted. Who fucking cares, it's a wrassling forum, we're shooting the shit.
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