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Old 04-26-2016, 07:30 AM   #1
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DISCUSSION - Does Cesaro still have a legit shot of being the #1 Face, or has his window sailed?
DISCUSSION - Does Cesaro still have a legit shot of being the #1 Face, or has his window sailed?

Cesaro has a lot going for him:

1) He has the most 'over' move in the company with that Airplane shit
2) The fans actually like Cesaro a lot due to the fact that he's not perceived to be a 'hand-picked' Corporate guy. He's a lot like Daniel Bryan in this regard.
3) Cesaro is a very good in ring worker

Cesaro does have a few 'missing ingredients' (i.e. mic skills), but it's not like Reigns is the complete package either. So my question to you guys, is if Cesaro can still be a legit *successful* #1 face in the company or has the Cesaro ship sailed?

I wouldn't mind seeing a guy like Steve Austin come back for a few months and taking Cesaro 'under his wing'. Austin comes to the ring and cuts a promo and talks about how there's one guy on the roster who he thinks is awesome but isn't living up to his potential. He calls out Cesaro. Austin puts Cesaro over and somehow someway, they form a mentor/student alliance of some kind.
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Old 04-26-2016, 07:54 AM   #2
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He doesn't look like Jason Mamoa so he ain't Vince's kettle of fish. He'll be around forever and be used as a guy to have great matches with people when need be, but he'll never get over the hump. Plus, I don't know if the WWE is the kind of company where someone like Cesaro would flourish as a top face. He honestly is a workrate guy, whereas a guy like Daniel Bryan was versatile enough to figure out the character work. While Cesaro has a certain charisma about him, it's nowhere near the level of Daniel Bryan. I DO believe he should be far more protected than he is because your champion is only as strong as his contenders and supporting cast. He could be a Mr. Perfect type character who is pretty much at the top but not quite there.
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Old 04-26-2016, 08:36 AM   #3
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He doesn't look like Jason Mamoa so he ain't Vince's kettle of fish. He'll be around forever and be used as a guy to have great matches with people when need be, but he'll never get over the hump. Plus, I don't know if the WWE is the kind of company where someone like Cesaro would flourish as a top face. He honestly is a workrate guy, whereas a guy like Daniel Bryan was versatile enough to figure out the character work. While Cesaro has a certain charisma about him, it's nowhere near the level of Daniel Bryan. I DO believe he should be far more protected than he is because your champion is only as strong as his contenders and supporting cast. He could be a Mr. Perfect type character who is pretty much at the top but not quite there.
Bret Hart was a workrate guy
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Old 04-26-2016, 09:24 AM   #5
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I don't think so. He's just really wooden on the mic and his whole gimmick seems incredibly forced and unnatural. He's someone who should be pushed as a competitor, like Bruno. If they pushed him that way then yes I could see him becoming "a top guy" but with this goofy bond gimmick and horrible scripted and delivered promo's then no, he's fucked.
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People like Cesaro as a general entity and they LOVE him in the ring, but he is missing that ability to negotiate the WWE waters on the mic and as a personality. In time, he might find that missing component that gets him carte blanche to talk how he wants on the mic and seem more relaxed and natural, but as it stands I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose the IC Title match at Payback.
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In a land where windows sail maybe, but in this dimensional plane that was never on the cards to begin with. If "the office" decided he was going to be the next guy he would be, regardless of any holes in his game. See: Roman Reigns.
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They seem like they want to go with him a bit, but they now have a timeframe for Cena's return, they probably know when Orton is coming back, Rollins won't be far off, they have Zayn and Owens who can talk. Cesaro is easily the most exciting worker on the planet, but I'm not entirely sure they will stick behind him.

I'd still like to see him work every member of The League of Nations and go over against each before they move past him though. Put the IC Title on him in Chicago for a nice pop too. Eventually people are going to get that there's something about the guy (I'm talking the casual fan).
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Not good enough on the mic.
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He is better than RR on the mic and in the ring.
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Old 04-26-2016, 10:01 PM   #18
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Cesaro isn't "#1 guy" material. Stop with this.
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Old 04-26-2016, 10:18 PM   #19
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Yeah, he never could have been number one, but he's finally getting a chance to be number 2 or 3. He can easily be on Ambrose's level
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He never had a chance. The machine has been against him from day one. The only guy that ever had a chance at being the #1 face was Roman Reigns, and that is a fact. It doesn't matter how good you are or how much the fans like you. All that matters is if Vince creams his jeans while looking at you.
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Never could have been number one.... Could have been main event, though.....

Think he has lost a whole lot with his return and image/gimmick change, and not sure if he can make it to the main event now....
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I honestly don't get how Vince doesn't cream his pants looking at Cesaro. The guy is a dream. But yeah, agree with the assessment he could be in the main event, but isn't "#1 guy" potential.
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Happy with the general comments here because they echo the sentiments I've had for years. I think the categorisation I felt was most appropriate for him was "he's everything but money".

I don't see how he connects in a main event capacity, and the best illustration was when they got him some momentum and put him against Owens at Summerslam, and on the night the crowd was ice cold for him. Because paired against somebody with charisma, personality, and intangible elements, people realise there is very little to get into with Cesaro once you've stopped being impressed with his moves. I don't think Cesaro sells in a way to generate sympathy, he doesn't have the fire of a Steve Austin (which is an unfair standard, but we're talking top guys), and those are two things that Bret Hart, as a "workrate guy" as mentioned above, had in spades.

Bret also had a look that got him more ass than a bus station toilet seat. Cesaro has a look that means he has to rip his own clothes off.

I had a friend who kind of a casual fan in school, and he would always ask me "So what about this guy, what's his story".

For a guy like Austin, or Rock, or Foley, you could talk all day long. If somebody asked you that about Cesaro, what do you say? "He thinks he's James Bond, he rips his own clothes off, he's super strong and he throws a lot of Europearn uppercuts." I just don't get a sense that even his biggest supporters could go around saying he was so awesome the company could be built around him
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To be fair, Liam, a lot of Cesaro's presentation isn't down to him. There's a story to be told there of his journey and such, as I'm sure you know. In time he might find that magic spark that makes people click. Who knows?
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His promo style is very "Here are the words they wrote for me" which most of the better guys are able to work through.

He is great, but maybe as a guy in Ambrose's position, and Ambrose should be a Foley type main eventer.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:28 AM   #27
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To be fair, Liam, a lot of Cesaro's presentation isn't down to him. There's a story to be told there of his journey and such, as I'm sure you know. In time he might find that magic spark that makes people click. Who knows?
Yeah I'd agree with that. Kinda that thing where, if this was ECW, you know Heyman would book him in such a way where they'd disguise the shortcomings and package him in a certain way to make him come off like the toughest mofo alive.

Maybe that's part of it actually - for a guy with little flash or sizzle and the Jason Statham look, they don't treat him like a tough guy to mask it. You wouldn't cast Statham for Magic Mike for a reason, it doesn't fit, but their efforts to hide Cesaro are to falsely inject personality and not build around what he actually is.
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I think that's it. In the ring, I genuinely feel that Cesaro is one of the best workers I have ever seen. The way he chooses to register some things, but he doesn't sell them traditionally, is fucking bad-ass. When he goes on a tear with the uppercuts all over the place, it's impossible to not get excited. But they make him out to be such a forced dork outside the ring. English isn't even this guy's third language. They really should take more care presenting him, because it'd be worth it in the end.
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If they do King of the Ring this year, my vote is for Cesaro to win it. And win it next year as well.
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I admittedly haven't watched wrestling in years, and so I have no clue about Cesaro's current "James Bond" gimmick, but the dude was way over when he was using Jack Swagger's theme, and had Zeb Colter by his side.

Now that Swagger is pretty much a jobber and/or irrelevant, I actually wouldn't mind seeing Cesaro go back to that personna. Have Colter be Cesaro's manager, and have Cesaro use the 'We the People' theme.

I think Cesaro could be the 'Randy Couture' of the WWE to be perfectly honest. He might not be the most charismatic guy out there, but it's all about marketing. Cesaro has some solid power moves in the ring even outside that Airplane shit. I don't think it would be too difficult to market Cesaro as a classy, no-nonsense kind of champion that simply goes out there and whoops ass.

And like I said - the one thing Cesaro really has going for him, is that he's been built organically. He doesn't have the perception of being force fed down our throats in the manner that Reigns has.
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If they do King of the Ring this year, my vote is for Cesaro to win it. And win it next year as well.
Don't wish that on him!
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Swiss Superman 007 King Cesaro. Would be just like King BNB where they just stack gimmick on top of gimmick.
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I honestly don't get how Vince doesn't cream his pants looking at Cesaro. The guy is a dream. But yeah, agree with the assessment he could be in the main event, but isn't "#1 guy" potential.
You just answered your own question. He cares about the top guy. Everything else is just filler. Who gives a shit? I think Vince Russo has mentioned how Vince scolded him for focusing too much on the midcard because it doesn't matter. Granted, Russo's words can be taken with a grain of salt. But knowing what we know at this point, do you really doubt it?
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Several former writers have said that Vince would occasionally be there at the start of booking meetings, start by asking what Cena is doing, and once Cena's plans for the night are decided he'd just leave the meeting.
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It for the most part has always been a top guy company so I understand, but Vince is short sited if he can't see the benefit of a strong mid card as the glue that can keep shows intact.
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This is also a crucial point for the company as a whole to start establishing new "top guys", and I don't mean Reigns. I don't think Cesaro could be "the guy" as is, but he should definitely be in the mix.
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He definitely won't be the guy wearing an I'll fitting rip off suit. It's a bit of a comedy gimmick and I think it makes him look stupid tbh.

I thought he has found his look before he was injured. It fitted the things he did (uppercut cover) and it made him look more modern and cooler. Cool enough to not have to speak very much.

Hope he isn't a case like AJ where he only truly finds his look way later in his career.
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I'm worried about where Cesaro will be situated once Cena, Orton and Rollins are back. I'm hoping that they at least incubate Cesaro with some consistent wins over "big names" that aren't going anywhere -- like Sheamus and Alberto Del Rio.
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I'm going to be honest, I would rather see Cesaro vs. Miz in a standard IC Title match than the Fatal 4-Way. Run Cesaro vs. Zayn vs. Owens as a Triple Threat #1 Contender's Match, have Cesaro win when Owens and Zayn take each other out, and keep the separate singles programs going.
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To be honest, to keep the flow of their live specials going, you could run that Triple Threat at Extreme Rules. I think there'd be enough interest there. But then you might as well do the Fatal 4-Way. Hmm.
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