Transformers 2: Revenge Of The Fallen - Page 9

**Shadow** · 06-26-2009, 04:35 PM

I agree Fox and I'm still not sure why the fuck people are being so negative about it.

Its a war....PEOPLE DIE IN THE WAR!

**Jeritron** · 06-26-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fox

Really don't see how the plot was a huge mess. Seemed pretty straight forward to me.

Been reading all these reviews for the film and God, I just had to stop due to all the negativity pouring in. It's like these people watched a completely different movie than I did.

I didn't give a negative review. I said I enjoyed myself. But yes, I still think the plot was a huge mess.
It's not about whether I got it or no. I obviously got it. It was just evil robots trying to take over the world.
But it was still all over the place. The MacGuffin switched like 4 times in a half hour. First they were looking for the shard, then they were trying to kill Prime, then they were looking for Sam's shard, or were they looking for that at first too? That was never really explained.

Freeing Megatron seemed to happen on a whim. Then Megatron flew to Saturn to report to his master. No explanation for when that relationship began. Then they were back to kill Optimus Prime.

I'm not claiming it was complex or mind-boggling. It was just all over the place. About an hour into the movie I wasn't sure what the conflict was. There was about 5, while at the same time not really having one. There wasn't much motivation behind anything.
It wasn't that it wasn't straightforward, it was that there was far too much going on for it's own good. I guess it was a way to get more robots in there though.

But it's okay. It's a summer action movie. I just think they could have been better off slimming it down. Honestly, Megatron and others served absolutely no purpose to the story other than to carry their own weight that was placed upon the movie.

There were dozens of robots doing all kinds of different things and there wasn't much explanation. Also, didn't really understand why one transfromer could imitate a human being perfectly and was just a henchmen. Why wouldn't they all be doing that?
Doesn't really matter. Just saying.

**Fox** · 06-26-2009, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeritron

I didn't give a negative review. I said I enjoyed myself. But yes, I still think the plot was a huge mess.
It's not about whether I got it or no. I obviously got it. It was just evil robots trying to take over the world.
But it was still all over the place. The MacGuffin switched like 4 times in a half hour. First they were looking for the shard, then they were trying to kill Prime, then they were looking for Sam's shard, or were they looking for that at first too? That was never really explained.

Freeing Megatron seemed to happen on a whim. Then Megatron flew to Saturn to report to his master. No explanation for when that relationship began. Then they were back to kill Optimus Prime.

I'm not claiming it was complex or mind-boggling. It was just all over the place. About an hour into the movie I wasn't sure what the conflict was. There was about 5, while at the same time not really having one. There wasn't much motivation behind anything.
It wasn't that it wasn't straightforward, it was that there was far too much going on for it's own good. I guess it was a way to get more robots in there though.

But it's okay. It's a summer action movie. I just think they could have been better off slimming it down. Honestly, Megatron and others served absolutely no purpose to the story other than to carry their own weight that was placed upon the movie.

There were dozens of robots doing all kinds of different things and there wasn't much explanation. Also, didn't really understand why one transfromer could imitate a human being perfectly and was just a henchmen. Why wouldn't they all be doing that?
Doesn't really matter. Just saying.

They needed the shard because it would tell them where to find the matrix key. Sam had the shard and also had the images imprinted in his brain. Decepticons needed to bring Megatron back because he is their leader on Earth, and the Fallen needed him to kill Optimus Prime since attempting the job himself proved too risky, and Prime was the only one who could stop them from starting the sun burster machine. So they get the shard, they kill Prime, things look to be on their way to certain doom with the knowledge of the whereabouts of both the giant sun burster machine and the matrix key in the hands of the Decepticons.

So what if the relationship between Megatron and the Fallen is never explained? Darth Vader and the Emperor meet the same way in Empire Strikes Back, with no explanation to their relationship besides "Master" and "Apprentice." Doesn't take anything away from it.

Really don't see how you could miss what the conflict was, what with all the backstory stuff from Jetfire about The Fallen wanting to destroy Earth. I mean, that's kind of it. The destruction of earth is the conflict.

Maybe you just need to see it again. I mean it sounds like there was too much going on at once for you to get a hold of all the story elements. Sometimes a second viewing can be better since you know most of it to begin with and can pick up the pieces. I say this based on your post and the way you seem to have missed the entire structure of the movie.

As far as the hot chick Decepticon bot and why they don't all take that kind of form, did you see how easily it was destroyed after smashing it into that lamp post? You think Starscream would die that way? No. He wouldn't. I would blow the car up with a rocket.

**Shadow** · 06-26-2009, 10:00 PM

Here's how I look at the fact that you've got a tiny scavenger bot looking for the Allspark sliver.

SPOILER: show

**Jeritron** · 06-27-2009, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fox

They needed the shard because it would tell them where to find the matrix key. Sam had the shard and also had the images imprinted in his brain. Decepticons needed to bring Megatron back because he is their leader on Earth, and the Fallen needed him to kill Optimus Prime since attempting the job himself proved too risky, and Prime was the only one who could stop them from starting the sun burster machine. So they get the shard, they kill Prime, things look to be on their way to certain doom with the knowledge of the whereabouts of both the giant sun burster machine and the matrix key in the hands of the Decepticons.

So what if the relationship between Megatron and the Fallen is never explained? Darth Vader and the Emperor meet the same way in Empire Strikes Back, with no explanation to their relationship besides "Master" and "Apprentice." Doesn't take anything away from it.

Really don't see how you could miss what the conflict was, what with all the backstory stuff from Jetfire about The Fallen wanting to destroy Earth. I mean, that's kind of it. The destruction of earth is the conflict.

Maybe you just need to see it again. I mean it sounds like there was too much going on at once for you to get a hold of all the story elements. Sometimes a second viewing can be better since you know most of it to begin with and can pick up the pieces. I say this based on your post and the way you seem to have missed the entire structure of the movie.

As far as the hot chick Decepticon bot and why they don't all take that kind of form, did you see how easily it was destroyed after smashing it into that lamp post? You think Starscream would die that way? No. He wouldn't. I would blow the car up with a rocket.

Here's the thing though. I understand all that. You don't have to explain everything going on. I know what was going on and I know the plot holes aren't really important. It wasn't about it being too hard to figure out. I don't need to see it again because I don't think I don't really want to. I'm sure I'll end up seeing it again on dvd though.

I just found it to be all over the place and far too much going on. Even if those elements are simple and make sense in context, there were still just way too many of them. I chalk it up to making excuses to include too many robots. The simple elements with the humans were the highlight of the first film, and they were this time around as well. Still, I think it was like a big messy sandwich with too much meat on it. Although it might taste great, nobody likes a mess.

I don't think that's a ridiculous conclusion to come to. It's not like this movie had a smooth and flawless plot. I think some people who are more into the layout of a movie than the content would Just my take on the movie. If you think the plot was on target and appropriate then that's great.

**Jeritron** · 06-27-2009, 12:13 AM

I agree with you about Megatron and the Fallen mirroring Vader and the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. I thought of that instantly.

I just felt like it was a tremendously transparent addition. I mean, The Empreror was established from the getgo in A New Hope, and it was made very clear that Vader was underneath him and served a much larger empire that was existing off screen.

That was more of a minor observation than a complaint. It was the fact that he instantly reported to him with no questions asked, as if we were supposed to believe he was there in the first movie.

RP · 06-27-2009, 04:31 PM

Word cannot describe how horrible this movie was. Seriously.

**SammyG** · 06-27-2009, 10:35 PM

I have such a bigger boner for Megan Fox after this movie

**St. Jimmy** · 06-27-2009, 11:04 PM

Worst movie of the year so far.

**OssMan** · 06-28-2009, 08:11 AM

I loved how they went to the Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC and then ran outside and there were mountains in the background.

**Jeritron** · 06-28-2009, 08:30 AM

lol

**D Mac** · 06-28-2009, 07:43 PM

Action packed from start to finish.

**Shadow** · 06-28-2009, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AssMan

I loved how they went to the Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC and then ran outside and there were mountains in the background.

Cept...they weren't. They were in the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy center just on the other side of Dulles Airport. And yes...I squeed.

Cept when they got outside and...there were all those planes out there.

**LuigiD** · 06-29-2009, 01:27 AM

I liked the movie.
Lots of plot holes. Am I the only one that thinks that China would never let a team of US troops and robots act in their turf?
But then again, I did not go see this movie for the storyline. I got what I expected...big ass robots fighting one another with explosions left and right. There is better times for serious business, watching Transformers is not the time for it in my opinion.

**Brujesino** · 06-29-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Jimmy

Worst movie of the year so far.

even worse then the wolverine movie?worse then T4?

no way i can see you say it was worse then T4 but no wolverine

**Jeritron** · 06-29-2009, 04:41 AM

All 3 were awful in their own ways. At least the crowd was alive at Transformers. That's where I got my entertainment.

**LuigiD** · 06-29-2009, 11:16 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062901195.html

Pretty good article.
It addresses the increasing gap between what critics like and what the "people" want.

**Brujesino** · 06-29-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by LuigiD

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062901195.html

Pretty good article.
It addresses the increasing gap between what critics like and what the "people" want.

really good read

i never listen to movie critics they are retarded

**BigDaddyCool** · 06-29-2009, 05:18 PM

Who is giving BDC money to see this. I don't feel like paying Micheal Bay my own money.

**Kalyx triaD** · 06-30-2009, 02:00 PM

At what point after you accept transforming alien robots who speak fluent English do some of you people make realism such an important facet in enjoying a movie?

I fucking loved all of it, perfect summer movie.

**Reavant** · 06-30-2009, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalyx triaD

At what point after you except transforming alien robots who speak fluent English do some of you people make realism such an important facet in enjoying a movie?

I fucking loved all of it, perfect summer movie.

Oh my god thank you

**shadowfoxrz** · 06-30-2009, 04:49 PM

According to box office mojo, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen made 14.8 million more yesterday. To which i say SUCK THOSE DEVASTATOR BALLS CRITICS!!!

**Shaggy** · 06-30-2009, 04:53 PM

LOL people are actually protesting the movie saying that the movie is Racist the way the Twins are depicted.

**Kalyx triaD** · 06-30-2009, 05:03 PM

Perhaps they should have members of our own race stop providing the fodder for which these stereotypes are constructed? Just a thought.

Also: one of the Twins were played by a black actor, who was pretty much instrumental in their character. Not Bay's idea, not the writer's idea - the voice actors. So yeah, once again I say, "A little research goes a long way."

**OssMan** · 06-30-2009, 07:41 PM

Also the Pentagon is in Arlington, not Washington DC. Too many DC inaccuracies in this film

**OssMan** · 06-30-2009, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadow

Cept...they weren't. They were in the Steven F. Udvar-Hazy center just on the other side of Dulles Airport. And yes...I squeed.

Cept when they got outside and...there were all those planes out there.

Yeah whatever that thing is called. Always just refer to it as the "new" air and space museum

**LaLa** · 06-30-2009, 07:52 PM

I Liked it. It was good for what it was supposed to be.

**Shaggy** · 06-30-2009, 08:13 PM

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-...questions.html

That link talks about the plot holes in the film that have been bugging some people...pretty interested read and I noticed and wondered about a few of them but It didnt really take much away from the movie watching experience.

**Kalyx triaD** · 06-30-2009, 10:28 PM

Here we go with this 'under the microscope' shit. Bah.

**Blitz** · 07-01-2009, 01:30 AM

It kinda sucked. I liked the first one a lot better. This one was wayyyyyyy too long. The light comedy touches from the first one were way overdone here, with the Witwickys in particular being turned into full on hyperactive caricatures.

The acting was...suitable, I suppose. No one goes to a movie like this for nuance. I like Shia LeBeouf, but he's held hostage by a script that doesn't require him so much to act as exist in a state of perpetual panic, which gets annoying. Megan Fox does what is asked of her, which is basically to look hot.

The robot fights were cool, seemed a lot more intricate than the first one. I wanted more of Devestator, The Fallen, and Sideswipe, who I felt had the best designs. But there were way too many bots for me to follow. Feels like they fell victim to Mortal Kombat: Annihilation Syndrome, in which they try to jam in as many characters as they can, resulting in most of them being given short shrift.

Jetfire was probably my favourite part of the whole flick. Really like the idea of the older Autobots, hope it gets explored more in the next sequel. On the flip side, I wanted to murder Mudflap and Skids the second the showed up on screen. I can't believe they actually gave a robot a monkey face and gold tooth. I damn near gave a standing ovation when the one of them got sucked up by Devestator. Then the bastard came back.

It's like a 4/10 for me. The robot battles were cool, everything else, not so much.

**Blitz** · 07-01-2009, 01:31 AM

Also didn't need to see John Tuturro's ass in a thong.

**wwe2222** · 07-01-2009, 08:05 AM

It was ok...it suffers from what most blockbuster sequels suffer from in they tried to make it too big.

I thought it was too long, parts of the movie could have been cut. I dont follow transformers, but did they just make up the emperor guy?

**Shadow** · 07-01-2009, 02:33 PM

Critics right now are scrambling to defend their critism of this movie. Washington Post's style section has that as their main story. I find it hilarious.

**Shadow** · 07-01-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by wwe2222

It was ok...it suffers from what most blockbuster sequels suffer from in they tried to make it too big.

I thought it was too long, parts of the movie could have been cut. I dont follow transformers, but did they just make up the emperor guy?

What emperor guy? If you mean the Fallen no. He's a rather important part of the TFmythos.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/The_Fallen

**Kalyx triaD** · 07-01-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitz

It kinda sucked. I liked the first one a lot better. This one was wayyyyyyy too long. The light comedy touches from the first one were way overdone here, with the Witwickys in particular being turned into full on hyperactive caricatures.

The acting was...suitable, I suppose. No one goes to a movie like this for nuance. I like Shia LeBeouf, but he's held hostage by a script that doesn't require him so much to act as exist in a state of perpetual panic, which gets annoying. Megan Fox does what is asked of her, which is basically to look hot.

The robot fights were cool, seemed a lot more intricate than the first one. I wanted more of Devestator, The Fallen, and Sideswipe, who I felt had the best designs. But there were way too many bots for me to follow. Feels like they fell victim to Mortal Kombat: Annihilation Syndrome, in which they try to jam in as many characters as they can, resulting in most of them being given short shrift.

Jetfire was probably my favourite part of the whole flick. Really like the idea of the older Autobots, hope it gets explored more in the next sequel. On the flip side, I wanted to murder Mudflap and Skids the second the showed up on screen. I can't believe they actually gave a robot a monkey face and gold tooth. I damn near gave a standing ovation when the one of them got sucked up by Devestator. Then the bastard came back.

It's like a 4/10 for me. The robot battles were cool, everything else, not so much.

Dude, the movie was four minutes(+/-) longer than the first...

'Fuck sake, what the critics pull out of their ass. And you I like.

**Blitz** · 07-01-2009, 05:24 PM

Alright, then it just felt like an eternity.

**Kalyx triaD** · 07-01-2009, 05:26 PM

Better.

**loopydate** · 07-01-2009, 05:27 PM

I'm with you, Blitz. It felt considerably longer than the first one, actual runtime notwithstanding.

**Hanso Amore** · 07-01-2009, 05:47 PM

This movie starst with the mega action at 15 seconds in. I think that is why it felt so long. It comes out swinging, lulls, then hits you hard again.

**Hanso Amore** · 07-01-2009, 05:47 PM

Andyour face melts with robot fighting action!

06-26-2009, 10:00 PM	#324
Shadow Shadow Conspircy leader Posts: 18,579	Here's how I look at the fact that you've got a tiny scavenger bot looking for the Allspark sliver. SPOILER: show I think they needed the Allspark sliver to bring Megs back to life and settled for the bigger shard when Wheelie couldn't deliver the goods.

06-30-2009, 02:00 PM	#340
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	At what point after you accept transforming alien robots who speak fluent English do some of you people make realism such an important facet in enjoying a movie? I fucking loved all of it, perfect summer movie. Last edited by Kalyx triaD; 04-04-2010 at 12:19 PM.

07-01-2009, 08:05 AM	#352
wwe2222 Posts: 1,398	It was ok...it suffers from what most blockbuster sequels suffer from in they tried to make it too big. I thought it was too long, parts of the movie could have been cut. I dont follow transformers, but did they just make up the emperor guy? Last edited by wwe2222; 07-01-2009 at 08:41 AM.

06-26-2009, 04:35 PM	#321
Shadow Shadow Conspircy leader Posts: 18,579	I agree Fox and I'm still not sure why the fuck people are being so negative about it. Its a war....PEOPLE DIE IN THE WAR!

06-27-2009, 12:13 AM	#326
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	I agree with you about Megatron and the Fallen mirroring Vader and the Emperor in Empire Strikes Back. I thought of that instantly. I just felt like it was a tremendously transparent addition. I mean, The Empreror was established from the getgo in A New Hope, and it was made very clear that Vader was underneath him and served a much larger empire that was existing off screen. That was more of a minor observation than a complaint. It was the fact that he instantly reported to him with no questions asked, as if we were supposed to believe he was there in the first movie.

06-27-2009, 04:31 PM	#327
RP King of Love and Piss Posts: 62,988	Word cannot describe how horrible this movie was. Seriously.

06-27-2009, 10:35 PM	#328
SammyG LAKE SHOW HOES Posts: 25,758	I have such a bigger boner for Megan Fox after this movie

06-27-2009, 11:04 PM	#329
St. Jimmy Last of a Dying Forum Posts: 16,215	Worst movie of the year so far.

06-28-2009, 08:11 AM	#330
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,129	I loved how they went to the Air and Space Museum in Washington, DC and then ran outside and there were mountains in the background.

06-28-2009, 08:30 AM	#331
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	lol

06-28-2009, 07:43 PM	#332
D Mac Posts: 21,603	Action packed from start to finish.

06-29-2009, 01:27 AM	#334
LuigiD Posts: 1,920	I liked the movie. Lots of plot holes. Am I the only one that thinks that China would never let a team of US troops and robots act in their turf? But then again, I did not go see this movie for the storyline. I got what I expected...big ass robots fighting one another with explosions left and right. There is better times for serious business, watching Transformers is not the time for it in my opinion.

06-29-2009, 04:41 AM	#336
Jeritron Get a poke on Posts: 35,234	All 3 were awful in their own ways. At least the crowd was alive at Transformers. That's where I got my entertainment.

06-29-2009, 11:16 AM	#337
LuigiD Posts: 1,920	http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062901195.html Pretty good article. It addresses the increasing gap between what critics like and what the "people" want.

06-29-2009, 05:18 PM	#339
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	Who is giving BDC money to see this. I don't feel like paying Micheal Bay my own money.

06-30-2009, 04:49 PM	#342
shadowfoxrz Gojira FTW Posts: 303	According to box office mojo, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen made 14.8 million more yesterday. To which i say SUCK THOSE DEVASTATOR BALLS CRITICS!!!

06-30-2009, 04:53 PM	#343
Shaggy Yipee Kai Yay!!! Posts: 5,705	LOL people are actually protesting the movie saying that the movie is Racist the way the Twins are depicted.

06-30-2009, 05:03 PM	#344
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Perhaps they should have members of our own race stop providing the fodder for which these stereotypes are constructed? Just a thought. Also: one of the Twins were played by a black actor, who was pretty much instrumental in their character. Not Bay's idea, not the writer's idea - the voice actors. So yeah, once again I say, "A little research goes a long way."

06-30-2009, 07:41 PM	#345
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,129	Also the Pentagon is in Arlington, not Washington DC. Too many DC inaccuracies in this film

06-30-2009, 07:52 PM	#347
LaLa Sweet Dreams Posts: 2,592	I Liked it. It was good for what it was supposed to be.

06-30-2009, 08:13 PM	#348
Shaggy Yipee Kai Yay!!! Posts: 5,705	http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/smg-...questions.html That link talks about the plot holes in the film that have been bugging some people...pretty interested read and I noticed and wondered about a few of them but It didnt really take much away from the movie watching experience.

06-30-2009, 10:28 PM	#349
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Here we go with this 'under the microscope' shit. Bah.

07-01-2009, 01:30 AM	#350
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	It kinda sucked. I liked the first one a lot better. This one was wayyyyyyy too long. The light comedy touches from the first one were way overdone here, with the Witwickys in particular being turned into full on hyperactive caricatures. The acting was...suitable, I suppose. No one goes to a movie like this for nuance. I like Shia LeBeouf, but he's held hostage by a script that doesn't require him so much to act as exist in a state of perpetual panic, which gets annoying. Megan Fox does what is asked of her, which is basically to look hot. The robot fights were cool, seemed a lot more intricate than the first one. I wanted more of Devestator, The Fallen, and Sideswipe, who I felt had the best designs. But there were way too many bots for me to follow. Feels like they fell victim to Mortal Kombat: Annihilation Syndrome, in which they try to jam in as many characters as they can, resulting in most of them being given short shrift. Jetfire was probably my favourite part of the whole flick. Really like the idea of the older Autobots, hope it gets explored more in the next sequel. On the flip side, I wanted to murder Mudflap and Skids the second the showed up on screen. I can't believe they actually gave a robot a monkey face and gold tooth. I damn near gave a standing ovation when the one of them got sucked up by Devestator. Then the bastard came back. It's like a 4/10 for me. The robot battles were cool, everything else, not so much.

07-01-2009, 01:31 AM	#351
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	Also didn't need to see John Tuturro's ass in a thong.

07-01-2009, 02:33 PM	#353
Shadow Shadow Conspircy leader Posts: 18,579	Critics right now are scrambling to defend their critism of this movie. Washington Post's style section has that as their main story. I find it hilarious.

07-01-2009, 05:24 PM	#356
Blitz Angel Headed Hipster Posts: 37,942	Alright, then it just felt like an eternity.

07-01-2009, 05:26 PM	#357
Kalyx triaD Raw Video Footage Posts: 45,950	Better.

07-01-2009, 05:27 PM	#358
loopydate FIT Challenge Slag People Posts: 13,816	I'm with you, Blitz. It felt considerably longer than the first one, actual runtime notwithstanding.

07-01-2009, 05:47 PM	#359
Hanso Amore You can't teach that Posts: 19,337	This movie starst with the mega action at 15 seconds in. I think that is why it felt so long. It comes out swinging, lulls, then hits you hard again.

07-01-2009, 05:47 PM	#360
Hanso Amore You can't teach that Posts: 19,337	Andyour face melts with robot fighting action!