04-13-2014, 02:42 PM | #41 | |
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Fans have not forgotten Lesnar's UFC or WWE past. Fans know he looks like and is a badass. End of story, bro. |
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04-13-2014, 03:30 PM | #42 |
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I think this is why Lesnar 'broke' HHH's arm last year. Made him look like more of a monster. If he can do that to the man the pushed a slightly younger, better Taker to the limit twice, then it makes it clearly believable the Lesnar is the kind of man that could finally end the streak.
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04-13-2014, 03:32 PM | #43 |
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I actually don't see how more people didn't see this coming. Looking back on it, I feel like an idiot for not even at least entertaining the idea that Lesnar would do it.
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04-13-2014, 05:02 PM | #44 |
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I'm not 100% happy with how it happened, honestly. I thought it was amazing how on Monday Paul Heyman had trouble getting reaction even though his performance, in my opinion, was perfect.
I think if he had allowed for Lesnar to take the mic the heat would have been better, but who knows with that crowd. I thought there would be more fanfare surrounding the actual finish. It's obvious that Undertaker and Brock were going for a more MMA style match with some of the pacing and submission work and I actually really liked the match. If I had booked the feud there would have been interference because "screwing" Undertaker out of the streak would have caused people's heads to explode, but hey I wasn't booking it. I was extremely puzzled by the way so many people were so adamant in believing that the streak would never end or that Brock Lesnar of all the possible opponents couldn't be the one to do it. 90% of the people campaigning for the streak to never end also had no ideas for how to retire Undertaker. "Don't do anything special, just have him retire" was one of the most common things I heard and it made absolutely no sense to me. What major pro-wrestling retirement ended that way? How anyone thought that the WWE would waste that opportunity and that it would be a good thing is still something I can't comprehend. |
04-13-2014, 05:54 PM | #45 |
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I think a lot of the "it won't be Lesnar" mindset was due to him being part-time. Why give arguably the biggest rub of all time to a guy that isn't even there 80% of the year?
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04-13-2014, 06:10 PM | #46 |
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Nobody can bitch about him being jobbed out too much now.
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04-13-2014, 07:03 PM | #47 |
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We can be all thankful he didn't do his stupid arm-""""""""breaking""""""""
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04-13-2014, 07:08 PM | #48 | |
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Doesn't make too much sense if you think in those terms. If you want people talking about your product and tuning in to see where things go from here though, then I guess it makes a lot more sense. I suspect Brock's going to be a little more than part-time at this point, however. Could be wrong. We'll see. |
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04-13-2014, 07:16 PM | #49 |
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They could market WM 31 as "Who can beat Brock? The man who beat the streak!"
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04-13-2014, 07:19 PM | #50 |
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I sincerely hope not.
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04-13-2014, 07:20 PM | #51 |
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Beating the streak was only the second greatest accomplishment of anyone at a Wrestlemania. The first one was actually having a streak to begin with.
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04-13-2014, 10:30 PM | #52 |
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To me it was odd simply because of the part time deal. If he was signed to a 3 year full time deal I would have entertained the thought of him winning, but I simply did not see it coming.
Side note: I just saw on the font page that Vince is not happy with the fan reaction to the streak ending. So, it made headlines and we are still talking about it, what reaction where we looking for? |
04-13-2014, 11:36 PM | #53 |
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At the end of the match when Taker did the thumb to throat gesture I thought it was weird because most Taker WM matches end with his opponent getting overconfident and then Taker reversing it into a move for the win.
Storyline wise, Taker initiated the feud by coming out and challenging Brock and Taker lost the match, just like HHH, HBK, Punk and others before them by becoming too overconfident. |
04-14-2014, 03:15 PM | #54 |
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I doubt Vince is unhappy with the reaction. We all know how weird that crowd after Mania was. They were going for shock, otherwise Lesnar would have continued the beatdown after the match or they would have had interference.
Next Monday when Undertaker comes back to Raw we'll see a proper reaction. That said, what is the reaction they're going for? If they want to make the fans hate Brock even more, then have him challenge Undertaker to a retirement match at Extreme Rules or have him come out and gloat. Paul Heyman needs to allow for the fans' hatred of Brock to boil over without getting too much of it on himself. Last Monday it was all, "I told you so" and then later in the night Paul Heyman comes out and gets cheered. "smart fans" love Heyman waaaay too much to get the kind of reaction that Vince supposedly wanted, if absolute hatred is what he wanted in the first place. |
04-14-2014, 03:44 PM | #55 | |
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Hai again DTTS
Vince wanted more of an appreciation toward Taker, or so that is what is being said. I, for one, do not believe that it should have ended. It will never be accomplished again, sure, but Lesnar gains nothing from it more than what he already was, IMO. He was already a badass and has beaten Taker in HIAC previously, so the thought was there. Like others, I believe it should have gone to someone that would benefit more from the rub, say Cesaro (granted he won and has Heyman backing now, so yea...), Reigns or even Sandow (if they learn to use him right). Fuck, I think it would make for a great segment of "BAD NEWS" and get Barrett back in the light. I think the feeling is more of a "Oh, Lesnar ended it, meh." Personally, I wasn't upset that it ended or even that Lesnar ended it. I was more in shock that it was ended at all, but couldn't have cared less about Lesnar. It would have been more monumental for someone to capitalize on it that will be around longer. The whole vibe of WM XXX was almost "out with the old and in with the new". They could have had some new blood kill it, and that person could have moved on to be a badass submission machine. Quote:
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04-14-2014, 04:15 PM | #56 | |
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If he wanted a more active crowd, probably would have better to not have that much dead air between the pin and the announcer making it official. |
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04-14-2014, 06:40 PM | #57 |
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Vince is really just mad that CM Punk wasn't at Wrestlemania. That's why he's unhappy.
I wonder how much respect the fans were supposed to give Undertaker when he wasn't there. |
04-14-2014, 07:00 PM | #58 |
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Bet Undertaker retires tonight. If I'm wrong I'll gloat half as much about being right about the streak ending.
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Callaway just can't wrestle anymore. Lesnar practically carried him throughout that match and it was embarassing to watch. I still maintain it was the wrong time and wrong person to end the streak as I felt there was not as much build up to this match as Taker's previous wrestlemania bouts.
As I have been rambling for as long as I can remember the best man to break the streak would have been Sting. The build up to that would have been awesome and wrestlemania buys would have gone through the roof and I couldn't pick a better candidate than Sting to have done it. It would have been epic. But the reality is though I think Sting is in decent shape, Undertaker isn't and if the match against Lesnar was a true reflection then a Sting v Undertaker match would have been worse than Hogan v Warrior II at Halloween Havoc and we'd all be slating the WWE and both men for agreeing to the match. At least this way watching the man get soundly thrashed the fans can appreciate why the man only wrestles once a year and that it's best if he calls it a day. I'm disappointed the streak has come to an end as I personally feel it has taken away some of that aura e Undertaker had but it doesn't damage his legacy in any shape or form. As for Sting if he can handle in ring action then there are other potential big matches there. I just think it would now be pointless for him to fight taker at wrestlemania with the streak having been conquered. |
04-15-2014, 06:54 PM | #61 |
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Maybe sting if sting had gone to the WWE right as WCW collapsed and had amazing feuds with Triple H, Foley, HBK etc.
Maybe... |
04-15-2014, 07:11 PM | #62 | |
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04-15-2014, 08:46 PM | #64 |
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Check your email, Slik.
Geeez. Damn, I think a casket match would be fitting. Though I'd go no gimmick before I'd put Undertaker back into a cell. I would not mind, however, if Undertaker came out to retire and got interrupted by a young upstart who wanted to prove himself as in the same league as Brock Lesnar. Someone with something to prove, you know. Cesaro, Ryback, Wyatt, Reigns all fit the bill there. You want someone to get the rub, a heel perhaps, then have them retire Undertaker at an upcoming PPV. The fans will get there last match to say goodbye and one young superstar gets a nice feather in their hat, maybe a transition from the upper mid-card and the main event scene. Cesaro, in my opinion, would work best as a tweener who puts the final nail in the coffin of Taker's career, though I could see Wyatt doing a passing of the incredibly dark and mystical torch. Or...you know, he could just come out and retire. |
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I think personally Triple H v Sting could work at Wrestlemania 31 just depends on how match fit Sting is. He still seems in decent shape, better than Undertaker anyway. I stand by my point about Undertaker v Sting now being pointless given the streak has been defeated. That aura of invincibility has been taken away and it would be difficult to build up their feud away from the premise that could have been as Sting as an enigma coming into to challenge the Undertaker both physically and psychologically and giving the fans real reason to believe that Sting may well be the man to end the streak. All dead in the water now. I believe with the streak ending, that means WWE themselves have no plans for a Sting v Undertaker feud anytime soon. Besides I don't think Undertaker can manage another match but if he could the best option would be a rematch with Lesnar so that he can get some element of revenge and retire by saying he beat all of his wrestlemania foes which I don't think anyone else can claim to have done I.e. Beaten every wrestlemania opponent at wrestlemania. Sting v Triple H would work as might Cena v Sting. Tbh I would just die a happy man seeing Sting appear in the WWE. Strictly speaking he already has appeared on wwe programming the final nitro by which time wwe already owned WCW. But you know what I mean. |
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04-17-2014, 04:37 PM | #66 |
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Yeah, but the point is "amazing feuds". Nothing Sting did in the ring in TNA could be called "amazing"...at least not anything I've seen.
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04-17-2014, 06:10 PM | #67 |
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04-17-2014, 06:47 PM | #68 |
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He's suggesting that Brock can't hang full-time.
I am pretty sure that's not the case. I believe Brock is just sort of an asshole who enjoys pissing off the fans. Seriously though, right now Brock looks like a beast, he is also a horrible person in real life and I'm expecting details of him killing another dude somewhere to start floating eventually. Brock seems like the sort of guy who would genuinely be depressed at never having had the experience of crushing out a human life. |