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Old 01-20-2011, 10:56 PM   #281
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:56 PM   #282
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hmmmmm

Wouldn't be against Bane "breaking" Batman. Maybe Bane does that and takes over Gotham for a few months and puts the city through absolute hell. Then Batman comes back and defeats him, and that's how he is redeemed.

Would not want someone taking over as batman. I think a better idea would be a flashback to his league of assassins days, where they show him secret healing techniques that allow him to heal faster. Nothing mystical mind you. Ah hell, I'm just looking for an excuse for a Liam Neeson cameo.
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Old 01-20-2011, 11:59 PM   #283
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oooooooooo what if Ras escaped the explosion at the last second, and now Bane is his new protege. I could dig that. You wouldn't need to spend any time developing Ras, since everyone already knows who he is and what he is about. So having that extra villain wouldn't hurt the film.
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Literally having the lazarus pit would be too out there for this series I think. Maybe if they called those previously mentioned healing methods the "Lazarus Techniques". That would be a nice little nod. And Ras uses those same techniques to recover, since he couldn't escape that collision without fucking himself up in some way.
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Actually really liking my Ras idea. He uses Bane to finally beat batman, and destroy gotham. In the end Batman takes back the city and clears his name. Everything comes full circle.
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notice how he's being chased by the cops.... just like how dark knight ended?
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K, so Heyman dogged me to spit out my idea in detail so I might as well post it here too.

Alright, so Batman Begins nailed Ras Ahl Gul pretty much on the head. Only difference is that in the comics, Ras is thousands of years old, and uses this thing called the lazarus pit to restore his youth.

Now don't pull away from me here, I'm not suggesting they use that. But what if Ras escaped that collision from the first film. There are a few seconds between when we see ras, and when the train hits, and he IS the master and tutor of a secret group of assassins, so it's plausible. Seeing that it is still realistic, he would have to get pretty fucked up, even if he did survive. This is where "lazarus pit" comes in.

So in the first one, it is established that the league of assassins isn't some little group, but a global organization that has manipulated history for hundreds of years. It wouldn't be farfetched if they had medical techniques more advanced than the modern world's. They could call them the "lazarus techniques" as a nod to the source material.

So Ras heals from otherwise life dibilatating injuries, and takes Bane on as his new protege. (In the comics Ras took Bane on as his heir, after repeated failed attempts to get Batman to do so.) Together they defeat Batman, and Bane breaks his back, just like he did in the comics. Then Ras decides to bury him alive instead of killing him. As a bonus, he could even say "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you." (just thought of that now, btw. fuck I'm brilliant.) Alfred could come save him after they leave. Maybe he tailed them or something. He was a British SAS before he retired, so it's not as unrealistic as it sounds. Catwoman saving him would probably serve the plot better, actually.

Anyway, the next couple of months Bane and Ras aid the criminal element in overruning Gotham. Thus, Ras' failed goal from Batman Begins of setting Gotham on the path to destroying itself, comes to fruition.

Meanwhile, Batman, having trained under the league of assassins, and having the resources that he does, has been using his knowledge of the lazarus medical techniques to heal. Eventually he does, and fights the forces of Ras' and Bane.

Finally he fights them, maybe with the aid of catwoman, in public view, with the whole city watching. So Batman takes down these villains who have been turning their city into hell the last few months and everyone see's it, thereby redeeming himself in the eyes of the gotham people, and also re-establishing his myth, since as far as they know, he came back from the dead.

Everything comes full circle.

And in the last shot, Arnold Shwarzenager as Mr. Freeze pops in the corner and makes an ice pun.
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Old 01-21-2011, 02:19 AM   #289
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Obviously more catwoman stuff inbetween everything. this is only about what I would do with the main plot.
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Are you going to nerdrage when you go to the movies and find out the plot was nothing like how you imagined?

Please don't.
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Nah, it's just an idea, not "how it should be".
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I think "Oh I remember now that I have secret healing" is a little bit shit. Deus Ex Machina and shit.
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Nah, it's just an idea, not "how it should be if we wanted total shit".
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I would like to see a little role reversal actually.

The City sees Batman as a villian after the end of TDK

What if Bane is like a vigilante Hero, chasing down and trying to destroy Batman, not knowing the truth. The City hails Bane as a hero and support him in his pursuit of Batman. Like we know the truth but flip the shit on its side.
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Yeah, that's MUCH better. Well done.
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I like the idea of the Ras/Bane team. Ras has shown himself capable of surviving things he shouldn't in Batman Begins, so I honestly don't think it's THAT huge of a stretch to have him survive the train wreck. You wouldn't need the lazarus pit at all.
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Yeah, only reason I would use it for ras, is so when batman uses it, it's not out of nowhere.
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I hated the whole "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" thing. It's just.... why didn't he just tell that to The Joker in the second movie then? The whole big deal was made about him not being able to let Joker die, and having to save him. While I'm just thinking "Ok, he let plenty of people die in the first movie"

Way to save it is perhaps he knew that Ra's would get out of the train in time because of his ninja skills, but at the same time he knew that his plans were foiled anyways, so he let him go (since if he was in custody he could reveal Bruce's secrets).
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The train was Ras' doing, and as a trained ninja master type Batman left him to his consequences - and it would seem Ras accepted the defeat.

Joker's a mad man/possible genius who would have died precisely by Batman's hand at that construction site. Not to mention Joker had that in mind as a posthumous 'I told you so' to Batman should he kill the Joker. Batman knew this and that may helped him stay on point.
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I really wish they would have left Two face in TDK at the point where he started killling, then he could be the main villian in part 3. I think they did such a great job of creating the character only to die 15 minutes later.

Imagine a full Two Face Sequel, with Batman having to live with the guilt of that chick dying and Two Faces turn.
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I hope they just stick to Bane and Catwoman. Two villains is fine, but when you introduce a third, things get complicated and messy. Spider-man 3 is a perfect example.
I agree with this, but there's also the mob and corrupt cops. The other two Nolan films were written in such a way that there were also multiple side-villains.
This is where I think there could still be room for Black Mask. Somebody's gotta replace Maroni, just like he replaced Falcone.
Going with a complex character like Black Mask might not be what they want to do though. They might just go for another pure gangster family leader.
I really had a feeling they were going to use Black Mask for that reason though. But if it would be too much I wouldn't want it

And then there's corrupt officials too, like the police. The Hugo Strange or Harvey Bullock character rumors could still hold water. They'd be much more minor though, but still possible.
Sort of in the mold of The Chechen, Wertz, and assorted characters in the others.

I really can't believe they're doing Bane. I can't wait.
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Yeah, but like I said earlier, when I say only 2 villains, I mean actual major villains. Not some random mob guys that don't need to be fleshed out at all.
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Wonder how Batman's voice will change, if at all.

It was amusing in the first part and ridiculous in the second one.
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Wonder how Batman's voice will change, if at all.

It was amusing in the first part and ridiculous in the second one.
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I think the Batman voice was a bit over-spoofed. It was definitely over the top, but I don't think it was as much of a distraction as some people have made it out to be. I guess it's just become a funny meme or something.

I doubt they'll make some official decision to make Bale change it. It will probably be left up to him. Maybe it depends on how he has taken any criticism and if he feels like responding.

It was the biggest complaint about the last one from just about everyone, so they were in pretty good shape.
If the pitch of his voice is the biggest problem with this movie again, I will be thrilled.
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