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Old 01-27-2009, 11:21 AM   #201
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According to google, yes. It would explain why Christian and Claire communicate with Jacob.
What about Hurley?
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:45 PM   #202
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I'm not quite sure about that one. Jacob obviously has the power to reveal himself to anyone he wants, and when Hurley told Ben he had seen the cabin, Ben was pretty shocked. Right now, to me, what it explains is why Jacob uses Jack's relatives as his avatars on or off the island.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:55 PM   #203
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Could it be that this is why Jack wasnt on Jacob's original list? Because he wouldnt put himself on the list?
I totally forgot about that. That is a good call.
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:57 PM   #204
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Word.

I just hope we dont get Indiana Jonesed with Aliens and shit!
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I really wish it made the "WHOOOOOOOSH" sound when I remembered some important memory.

I might even stick around for Life on Mars after Lost. WHO KNOWS?
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Old 01-28-2009, 09:56 PM   #206
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And it's all gonna come together in a nice little bow.

Less or zero Hurley = great episode.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:08 PM   #208
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So that is why Richard visited Locke as a kid! AND HOLY SHIT, Widmore was an Other. My thoughts is that he is banished for some reason, and wants to get back or take the Island. Anyways, we know a bit more about how he is involved.

I dont know what is up with Charlotte...I hope she doesnt die.

Desmond named his kid after Charlie

Richard as a character really opens so many cool ideas. I cant wait to see where they go!
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:13 PM   #209
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Oh, and it is looking good for Hawking to be Faradays mom. I thought there was no chance.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:30 PM   #210
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Amazing ep. I love Richard Alpert. Also, young Widmore was a nice surprise that I didn't see coming.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:31 PM   #211
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Richard's eyelashes scare me.
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:43 PM   #212
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That Widmore thing was so subtle but inside I'm all "HOLY FUCKING SHIT"
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Old 01-28-2009, 10:47 PM   #213
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Everytime I see Richard the first thing I noticed is that he is cleanly shaven...
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I am pretty sure the Charlotte thing is her not having a constant in -that- time, because of how they entered the island or something. I forget the intricacies of it, but I am pretty sure that's why it isn't happening to Faraday, because he went and talked to Desmond. Miles on the other hand, I'm confused about. I would think he would need a constant, but then again he is really weird and has some strange spiritual connections so maybe that is why nothing is happening to him.
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Yeah, Miles, could be Chang's son, so if he's been to the island before that could be his constant. I wasn't sure if Faraday actually loved Charlotte or he was just trying to do whatever he could to give her a constant.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:16 PM   #216
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So who is Sawyer's constant?
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Why would Sawyer need a constant?

Pretty sure the details of the constant had to do with how they entered the island.
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Old 01-28-2009, 11:29 PM   #218
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Really? I thought it just had to do with traveling through time.

If it's how they entered the island then shouldn't the same thing happen to Lapidus and Sayid since they were in the helicopter with Desmond?
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Not sure, but it seems like we're dealing with two different types of time travel here. In the initial case it was only Desmond's mind that traveled from his body from the different points in 2004 and 1996. In the second case there seems to be actual physical time travel involved, as none of the people were actually on the island in 1954 and so on.

With regards to Supreme, I am guessing the reason Desmond is the only one who experienced the "side effects" on the island is because he was already prone to them, and so when they went off course a bit it triggered his mind to unstick in time. In the case of the survivors, seeing the light when Ben turned the wheel may have been all that was necessary for their type of time travel.
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so then wouldnt all the people in the time warp be prone to the same problems and not just Faraday's crew
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Maybe they are each others' constant.
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Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?
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Great episode. Love Richard. I hope he's not a bad guy. Everything is looping. Its like it all happend before. Locke told Richard to go meet him when he's born. So thats why Richard is there when Locke is born and thats why Richard asked Locke to choose between all those items he laid on the table. Because Lock came to him in 1954 and told him that he'd be his leader.

I'm willing to bet Desmond and Penny didnt just name there kid after Charlie. Unless Charlies brother was the older brother? I thought Charlie was the older brother.

I dunno total mind fuck and i love it.
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Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?
They would have had to already have another kid to be Charlies band mate iolder bro.
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What happened to Desmond didn't happen to Frank or Sayid because Desmond had been exposed to severe Electromagnetic energy with the hatch blowing up. The first thing Daniel asks is if he has been exposed to that stuff.

I see what you mean with the constant thing...but they need to actually talk. Miles might be able to get by with Ghosts, and Daniel has already met up with Desmond, so that could mean why Danielle is sick.
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about Mrs. Hawkings...

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So the young girl Daniel encounters on the island is probably his mother as a younger woman. I have a suspicion that Widmore might end up being his father, and they both get cast out of the island for related reasons.
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They would have had to already have another kid to be Charlies band mate iolder bro.
Random, but in the scene where Charlie learns how to swim, you can hear someone say 'Desmond' in the background.

However, I think the name was just a tribute to Charlie. (funny coincidence between Charlie and Charles: same name, yet one keeps them apart and one got them together)
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Old 01-29-2009, 10:33 AM   #228
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Could Desmond and Penny be Charlies mom and dad?
This was my first thought when they said his name was Charlie, but Charlies dads name is Simon Pace and his mother Megan Pace. I know that doesn't mean much at all in Lost but I think the Charlie thing was more of a homage than anything else.

I also love how important Faraday is becoming, he's fast becoming a favourite of mine.

Young Widmore was a shock to me and it was great, although I wasn't too keen on the guys acting.
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Anyone else notice that Faraday talks like Jim (from The Office) does when he's keeping his voice down?

Also, Faraday and Richard are awesome. Hope Richard especially has a lot to do with this season.
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Not seen a lot mentioned as to how Faraday could appear on the island back in the 70s looking no younger than he does today.

Are we to assume that the scene took place after one of the flashes had landed him there or has he been time travelling before?
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Not seen a lot mentioned as to how Faraday could appear on the island back in the 70s looking no younger than he does today.

Are we to assume that the scene took place after one of the flashes had landed him there or has he been time travelling before?
I would say it's after these time flashes and maybe they're stuck in one time for a long period (as Faraday said, the flashes can occur anywhere from 5 minutes to 5,000 years).

Also when Ellie said to him "You just couldn't stay away, could you?" he seemed really confused. Then again that could just be his forgetful nature (i.e. not knowing why he was crying at the news report of the crash)
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Also I would put money on what wwe2222 said being true about Ellie = Ms Hawking = Faradays mother. Especially seeing as Hawkings first name was revealed to be Eloise (also the name of Faradays rat) by the writers.
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Also I would put money on what wwe2222 said being true about Ellie = Ms Hawking = Faradays mother. Especially seeing as Hawkings first name was revealed to be Eloise (also the name of Faradays rat) by the writers.
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Who the hell is Ms. Hawking and where have we seen her before? Is she that lady who was with Ben and the big swinging pendulum telling him they were all doomed and stuff?
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Yeah. She is in Flashes Before Your Eyes working in the jewelery shop and then telling Desmond about the nature of the universe.
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Also when Ellie said to him "You just couldn't stay away, could you?" he seemed really confused. Then again that could just be his forgetful nature (i.e. not knowing why he was crying at the news report of the crash)
I think that's what the writers wanted us to think. However, I'm pretty sure that the 'you' she is talking about isn't exclusive to Daniel, she was talking about them being part of the US Army.

I think it became more apparent as the episode went on. The army had been there, the Others had killed them yet they still sent more people.

I'd bank on the Ellie = Eloise Hawking = Faraday's mother link though.
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Yeah. She is in Flashes Before Your Eyes working in the jewelery shop and then telling Desmond about the nature of the universe.
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Also, I'm having trouble trying to get my friend to understand how Locke can be alive on the island and dead in LA.

I've tried explaining that we are essentially seeing two different times. The island stuff is anchored in 2004/5 (a few months after the plane crashed) even though the characters are skipping back and forth through time. Where as the stuff in LA is happening in "present day" (3 years on from the island).

Therefore, somewhere in the 3 years Locke will leave for LA where he will end up dead one way or another - which I imagine we will see before this season is done.

Any advice on how to explain this concept in even simpler terms?

(PS Please bear in mind that I took it down the level where I said "It's like this...I am sat in the pub with you here tonight, 3 years ago I would have been away at Uni. There's no confusion as to how I'm in "two places at once" cos they're two different times.")
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The stuff on the island is three years ago from the perspective of the stuff happening off the island. This has been stated.
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That's what I've told him (as suggested in my post). I don't get how he doesn't get it, he's an intelligent guy.
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