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Old 10-31-2014, 10:02 PM   #41
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To be fair, Sullivan was booking when he and Benoit feuded while this was going on, and put Benoit over in an awesome match.
You love your Kevin Sullivan more than you hate your Bret Hart.
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Old 11-01-2014, 01:03 AM   #42
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Lol I love me some Kevin Sullivan
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Old 11-01-2014, 06:08 AM   #43
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Who did more to grow WCW than Bischoff? Nobody. End of story. It's pretty stupid that there has to be a full podcast on an open and shut issue. You guys just must like hearing your own voice to have a stupid topics like these trials.

The last episode about the Invasion was pretty good though.
Bischoff did do more to grow it. And by the time he was done WCW was a firm number 2, they'd run off almost every potential new star they had, handed out the contracts that sapped resources completely, and the company was on its way to losing $15 million in 1999 (which it did). Oh, and he was part of the 2000 Russo comeback of doom that burned through so much money that the parent company, which only two years earlier wanted twice as much first run programming because they were so profitable, wanted them the fuck off the books.

No other network wanted a part of it because the brand was dead, and that's what killed it in the end. Russo was a massive part, but to say Bischoff isn't at least a major part of the ultimate demise is ignorant to reality.
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Old 11-01-2014, 08:51 AM   #44
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What STD is saying is without Eric the WCW would not have even been in a spot to collapse. He is the one who made it grow into the success it was.
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Absolutely, and he deserves a shit ton of credit for it.
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Bischoff was obviously a really smart and ambitious guy who capitalized on a few lucky bounces and helped make something special. He's also an ass and made some bad decisions. I think he's done very well for himself if you look at his body of work, but he definitely at the very least contributed greatly to the downfall of the company. McMahon has done smart things to help build the business and has also almost killed the business with some god awful decisions, he just won at the end of the day.
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Bischoff did do more to grow it. And by the time he was done WCW was a firm number 2, they'd run off almost every potential new star they had, handed out the contracts that sapped resources completely, and the company was on its way to losing $15 million in 1999 (which it did). Oh, and he was part of the 2000 Russo comeback of doom that burned through so much money that the parent company, which only two years earlier wanted twice as much first run programming because they were so profitable, wanted them the fuck off the books.

No other network wanted a part of it because the brand was dead, and that's what killed it in the end. Russo was a massive part, but to say Bischoff isn't at least a major part of the ultimate demise is ignorant to reality.
he was a major part yes but I'm not sure how much blame can really be given to him for his actions since for the majority of the time he was basically responsible for everything/was running the ship on his own/was essentially in over his head, especially once Thunder was thrust upon him and the bigwigs started messing with the numbers. As for the money, he wasn't the one signing the cheques. Your "charge" was that he was the most responsible for the death of WCW. And whilst no matter what anybody thinks of his actions, I think they're somewhat understandable, many think stupid, short-sighted etc, the only real answer is that he isn't. WCW had their strings cut and were hanging by a thread the moment the merger was completed and Ted Turner essentially became an honorary figure with no power, WCW died the day Kellner, who didn't have a care, a clue nor pretended to have any affinity or understanding of pro wrestling, was basically given Turner's job. That's the most responsible person for the death of WCW.
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There is plenty of blame to go around...
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After a one week delay, we finally have the Trial of Eric Bischoff. After taking feedback from here, there and everywhere, the prosecution and defence teams do their damndest to convince the judge that Eric Bischoff is the element most responsible for the demise of World Championship Wrestling. Talking Hulk Hogan, Kevin Nash, atrocious television, ridiculous spending, Vince Russo, Mergers and more.

This show ended up being a lot of fun, and am interested to see what people make of the debate and the verdict. Check it out and let me know what you think.

http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean....icBischoff.mp3
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