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Old 07-22-2011, 06:13 PM   #18081
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Old 07-22-2011, 06:17 PM   #18082
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Old 07-22-2011, 06:23 PM   #18083
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Old 07-22-2011, 06:24 PM   #18084
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Actually, I have said over and over that dropping the PG label isn't the entire solution.
Yup. You may notice I'm not disputing that, but merely stating that the PG portion of your plans are basically superfluous, as you can remove the "end PG" part and pretty much have the same plan.

Hence I compared it to hardcore porn on network. Is it a restriction to the creative process? Technically yes, but practically it's not that big a deal. It's one that could easily be worked around. In fact, it's probably more conducive to the creative process to not rely so much on shock, because of the issue of sensitivity creep.
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Old 07-22-2011, 06:24 PM   #18085
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Old 07-22-2011, 06:39 PM   #18086
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Why does anyone think there is a problem? The ratings have been the same for years now.
Actually, it was only a couple years ago that 3.6-ish was the standard, and a 2.9 was considered DISASTROUS.

That's kind of the problem. We're talking about something that does not happen overnight. We're talking about a show that runs for most of the year and where, even in a decline, changes rarely happen from week to week.

WWE used to have the pride of ALWAYS being top ten material in the Nielsens. Actually, they used to almost always be #1 or #2, sometimes both due to the two hours charting separately. I don't follow things as vigorously now, because I don't have fuckwads asking for proof every three weeks, but it seems like they're struggling to keep on it a good chunk of the time. The big exceptions were up against shit like playoffs, or on Holidays, when nobody does well. And those still happen. They just dip lower, because the standard is lower.

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Dropping the PG label = Just dumb.
No, it's just a kneejerk reaction to a complicated solution from a bunch of people looking for quick fixes and easy answers.

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MMA = MMA does not have weekly television shows people actually watch. They have pay per view events, but these do not effect WWE.
Except when they have specials (Which sometimes do go up against WWE's Monday programming). And in the sense that competing dollars are also an issue here, and money spent on one can readily be argued as money not spent on the other. And when PPVs conflict, or are near to one another, especially since part of the reason for the weekly programming is to sell the PPVs, which can diminish the interest in the program if you know you're watching UFC the night this shit gets resolved.

I don't think this is the sole issue, but they are trying to draw from the same pool to a decent extent.

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Shitty Writing = Nexus, CM Punk, and Cena/Rock in the past 365 days (With 2 of them still going on. To a lesser extent you have R-Truth sky rocketing and Daniel Bryan claiming he will turn in his MITB at WM.
And of that, the only thing that could be construed as a draw was the Rock. That kinda hurts the argument that it's not shitty writing.

Well, let me redefine that. It's writing nobody seems to give a fuck about. You can argue live crowds, but they can be hot for someone and still not tune in to watch them (I've seen Teddy Long get a hot response ive...Does NOT mean he's a draw).

There is very clearly a problem here in terms of the product, and trying to cite exceptions doesn't do much. But even then, there's a ratings problem, and people didn't seem to care about Nexus, Punk, and I seriouly doubt they care much about Daniel Bryan beyond his "controversy" revolving around Nexus. I'd throw in R-Truth, too, because I have trouble seeing him make a splash.

These may be over with the IWC, but if that's who they're writing to, all it proves is that they shouldn't if they want ratings.
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:14 PM   #18088
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:15 PM   #18089
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:21 PM   #18090
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Old 07-22-2011, 07:29 PM   #18091
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:43 PM   #18092
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Yup. You may notice I'm not disputing that, but merely stating that the PG portion of your plans are basically superfluous, as you can remove the "end PG" part and pretty much have the same plan.

Hence I compared it to hardcore porn on network. Is it a restriction to the creative process? Technically yes, but practically it's not that big a deal. It's one that could easily be worked around. In fact, it's probably more conducive to the creative process to not rely so much on shock, because of the issue of sensitivity creep.
Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations. How in theory would you have the same plan? Does WWE benefit from having the PG rating? Yes. But, for every pro there is a con. Denying that having the PG rating is a huge problem is ignoring facts. I realize it has benefits, but to say it isn't affecting the product is blind ignorance.

I admit WWE had creative problems long before the switch to PG, but all the change did was limit an already stale product. And having shock value is a great concept if it's done properly. The fans need that kind of concept to keep them hooked on the shows. It worked tremendously during the Attitude era, and it could work now, but it requires alot of effort. Unfortunately, WWE hasn't devoted alot of time into that, and it shows when your watching...
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Old 07-22-2011, 08:50 PM   #18093
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:03 PM   #18094
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Old 07-22-2011, 09:24 PM   #18095
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Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations. How in theory would you have the same plan? Does WWE benefit from having the PG rating? Yes. But, for every pro there is a con. Denying that having the PG rating is a huge problem is ignoring facts. I realize it has benefits, but to say it isn't affecting the product is blind ignorance.

I admit WWE had creative problems long before the switch to PG, but all the change did was limit an already stale product. And having shock value is a great concept if it's done properly. The fans need that kind of concept to keep them hooked on the shows. It worked tremendously during the Attitude era, and it could work now, but it requires alot of effort. Unfortunately, WWE hasn't devoted alot of time into that, and it shows when your watching...
So let me ask you this then: Are you saying the product is stale right now? because ratings aside I think they're doing good right now. As others have said, if they continue presenting the product as they are now, they stand to continue drawing more interest in the product which will in turn show a ratings increase in time. PG or not is not even a factor right now.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:07 PM   #18096
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Not really. You can't make major changes to the product if you're working under PG limitations.
You can if you use your brain a little.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:11 PM   #18097
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All WWE has to do is continue to put out what they've being putting out the last month or so, and slowly but surely they will continue to not only reach out to new fans, but also bring in fans who no longer watch the product for whatever reason.

One of the things WWE MUST do is continue to give CM Punk the opportunity to be THE GUY, I mean, in just a month or so, he has brought back fans who for whatever reason were not following the WWE, the media has put their eye on him and the company after a long time of ignoring wrestling...so one thing they CAN'T do is to just stop pushing Punk. It's clear as day that he is THE GUY WWE NEEDS to have as its leader, its "top guy".
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:14 PM   #18098
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PG or not is not even a factor right now.
Nor should it ever be.
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Old 07-22-2011, 10:36 PM   #18099
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:24 PM   #18102
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So let me ask you this then: Are you saying the product is stale right now? because ratings aside I think they're doing good right now. As others have said, if they continue presenting the product as they are now, they stand to continue drawing more interest in the product which will in turn show a ratings increase in time. PG or not is not even a factor right now.
The only reason the current product is watchable is b/c of CM Punk. I think the word stale is being generous. The main problem with WWE currently is not producing good storylines or pushing new wrestlers. To me, it's common sense that unless the matches and storylines are good, then WWE can't recover from the slump they are in. With that being said, the shows have been some better with the buzz from CM Punk. If they take advantage of it and can keep being more creative, maybe the momentum gained could turn things around. Of course, not listening to the fans is another huge issue.

Being PG or not isn't a big deal for WWE, if they can be creative and develop new wrestlers. Keeping things fresh is about more than the rating attributed to the show. Even with the PG limitation, they can work around it. But, for some reason, they coast by week after week not really putting much into it.
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Old 07-22-2011, 11:26 PM   #18103
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Yeah, well WWE doesn't seem to be working overtime to use their brains more. If they were, we'd be seeing more cutting edge storylines and wrestlers...
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:12 AM   #18109
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"Weird" without two stickied threads at the top of this forum. Gonna have to get used to it.
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:26 AM   #18110
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Why is the YouTube thread even still stickied?
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:32 AM   #18111
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Is that a actual pic/action figure?
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:32 AM   #18112
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Why is the YouTube thread even still stickied?
'cuz Stone Cold said so?
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:38 AM   #18113
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THAT'S A SHAME
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:39 AM   #18114
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Is that a actual pic/action figure?
someones custom figure..
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:41 AM   #18115
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:42 AM   #18116
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Old 07-23-2011, 01:44 AM   #18117
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that could have been a whole lot worse than it was
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Old 07-23-2011, 02:09 AM   #18118
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Old 07-23-2011, 08:52 AM   #18119
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Yeah, well WWE doesn't seem to be working overtime to use their brains more. If they were, we'd be seeing more cutting edge storylines and wrestlers...
And again, you undermine your own point by affirming that the problem is more the writers than the rating.

Hmmmm.

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