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Old 10-14-2015, 07:56 AM   #121
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Pretty sure Cynic started this as a legit debate but started trolling a couple days ago.
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Old 10-14-2015, 07:17 PM   #122
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On Seth Rollins: “The booking of WWE Champion Seth Rollins to rarely win on TV and to be an enhanced chickensh!t heel is a head scratcher. I thoroughly understand the concept of the vulnerable antagonist but for one’s champion to rarely win on TV is questionable. The booking of Rollins needs addressing IMO.”
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Pffft. How many territories has Jr booked.
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Old 10-15-2015, 08:45 AM   #124
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Who has the longest reign for a heel Champ? Someone said it was Macho Man? Was he a heel during his year long title reign?
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Old 10-15-2015, 09:55 AM   #125
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He turned heel near the end of it to feud with Hogan.

Longest was Billy Graham.
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Old 10-15-2015, 11:26 AM   #126
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I think a week before JR was saying he likes where WWE is heading with Rollins. Compared it to early HBK days if I recall.

I think JR might be just trying to appease his audience there. Similar to what Foley does.
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Old 10-15-2015, 11:28 AM   #127
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To a degree I would agree.

But Meltzer is a carny, so it's odd.
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Old 10-16-2015, 01:28 AM   #129
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How about using a comparable time?

HHH won his first world title in 1999. How many times did he lose between Summerslam 99 and say Rumble 2000? I seem to recall Trips putting over a non wrestler FOR THE STRAP!!! And he never got to beat that guy for the title again. Somehow HHH managed to still become one of the all time greats.

But yeah, keep saying the booking is so different today.

Honestly now.
Alright, we'll do your little comparison YOUR WAY, in a 3 month timespan. Sure HHH lost to Vince on 9/16/1999 edition of SD!, but he didn't get a chance for a rematch only because with Vince as then-WWF owner, it was a conflict of interest for him to hold his own company's World title. Even still, he won back his title later that month at Unforgiven and was rarely pinned between mid-September and mid-December 1999...he only lost by pinfall 4 times in 21 singles matches in that timeframe (or, ironically, 19%, the same percentage NS somehow figures Rollins is to the length of Morales' reign, LMAO), as compared to Rollins, who from between mid-July and Monday night, has lost 11 out of 39 singles matches, or 28% of the time, nearly 10% more than late-1999 Triple H!

Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that Vince and co. backstage really DON'T have as much confidence in Seth Rollins as modern-day champion as they did in late-1999 Triple H? Or will you accuse me of some logical fallacy you perceive in my response because you just always HAVE to be right, or because you don't realize that the booking was far superior back then, even if between mid-September and mid-December 1999 Triple H only held the belt for ~ 2 months out of 3, despite winning over 80% of his singles matches?
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If CyNick's plan all along was to force us into talking about logical fallacies and stats to make us all feel more nerdy than discussing wrestling online already makes us... then mission accomplished.
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Old 10-16-2015, 02:06 AM   #131
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WWE has this dumb thought process that champions jobbing constantly somehow gets them over. To the point where it can't be an accident. It's gotta be part of a plan in place that champions need to job a lot for... some purpose. It makes no sense.
Does a shit purpose count as a purpose? It's to make quick challengers to the title. Lose match and then there is the chance he won't squirm out of it for the title match. He chickenshits himself into winning the title match and nothing else matters because he is the champion.

Chickenshit heel. It's not new but it hasn't always been this glaringly obvious.
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It's been done for a while on occasion. Not with every feud against every challenger (and in some instances, against guys who don't even end up challenging for the title). Your champion shouldn't be jobbing on a TV at the same rate as your jobbers. It doesn't make sense why the title is on him and not the jobbers at that point.
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It's been done for a while on occasion. Not with every feud against every challenger (and in some instances, against guys who don't even end up challenging for the title). Your champion shouldn't be jobbing on a TV at the same rate as your jobbers. It doesn't make sense why the title is on him and not the jobbers at that point.
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Alright, we'll do your little comparison YOUR WAY, in a 3 month timespan. Sure HHH lost to Vince on 9/16/1999 edition of SD!, but he didn't get a chance for a rematch only because with Vince as then-WWF owner, it was a conflict of interest for him to hold his own company's World title. Even still, he won back his title later that month at Unforgiven and was rarely pinned between mid-September and mid-December 1999...he only lost by pinfall 4 times in 21 singles matches in that timeframe (or, ironically, 19%, the same percentage NS somehow figures Rollins is to the length of Morales' reign, LMAO), as compared to Rollins, who from between mid-July and Monday night, has lost 11 out of 39 matches, or 28% of the time, nearly 10% more than late-1999 Triple H!

Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that Vince and co. backstage really DON'T have as much confidence in Seth Rollins as modern-day champion as they did in late-1999 Triple H? Or will you accuse me of some logical fallacy you perceive in my response because you just always HAVE to be right, or because you don't realize that the booking was far superior back then, even if between mid-September and mid-December 1999 Triple H only held the belt for ~ 2 months out of 3, despite winning over 80% of his singles matches?
Are you comparing singles matches to singles matches?
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Are you comparing singles matches to singles matches?
Yes, I am.
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Kinda laughing at y'all actually arguing with CyNick. I mean y'all do realize he's trolling the shit out of your asses, right?
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(or, ironically, 19%, the same percentage NS somehow figures Rollins is to the length of Morales' reign, LMAO)?
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It's been done for a while on occasion. Not with every feud against every challenger (and in some instances, against guys who don't even end up challenging for the title). Your champion shouldn't be jobbing on a TV at the same rate as your jobbers. It doesn't make sense why the title is on him and not the jobbers at that point.
How many JOBs did Lesnar do as champion? Same bookers, same Vince. Why the difference?
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Kinda laughing at y'all actually arguing with CyNick. I mean y'all do realize he's trolling the shit out of your asses, right?
what are your thoughts on the issues were discussing.

Im not a fan of people trying to railroad conversations by throwing out the term troll. If you have something to add, do it, if not, run along little buddy.
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what are your thoughts on the issues were discussing.

Im not a fan of people trying to railroad conversations by throwing out the term troll. If you have something to add, do it, if not, run along little buddy.
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Seth's been champion for 202 days. Undertakers 4 reigns have a combined total of 238 days. He's already surpassed Edge, Jericho, Batista, Eddie, Ric Flair, The Miz, Sheamus, Big Show, Mankind, Alberto Del Rio, and Daniel Bryan.
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That's a big problem right there. People think days as champion=quality. The Rock was champion for a short time frame each time he had it but still made it important chasing and defending the title.
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Well the longevity of a reign is a big part of a champion, more defenses and more TV time. The problem I see with Seth is this long reign might end up hurting him. He hardly wins on TV and then pulls something out of his ass on a PPV. I'm almost wondering if they are trying to beat Punks 434 days kind of like AJ.
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Well the longevity of a reign is a big part of a champion, more defenses and more TV time. The problem I see with Seth is this long reign might end up hurting him. He hardly wins on TV and then pulls something out of his ass on a PPV. I'm almost wondering if they are trying to beat Punks 434 days kind of like AJ.
I could see Rollins keeping the title until WrestleMania. The only real possible challengers for him are Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns, a combination of Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns and a combination of Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose. I personally like the Shield Triple Threat. Easiest way to get there is have Reigns win the Royal Rumble in Florida, then Ambrose beats Sheamus for the Money in the Bank briefcase at Fastlane. Boom.

If they go with a Triple Threat as the main event, I could see Rollins somehow snaking it out with the World Title. Will they have him bust the 434 day mark? I'm not sure, but I can definitely see them being really stubborn with the length of this thing.
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I could see Rollins keeping the title until WrestleMania. The only real possible challengers for him are Brock Lesnar, Roman Reigns, a combination of Brock Lesnar and Roman Reigns and a combination of Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose. I personally like the Shield Triple Threat. Easiest way to get there is have Reigns win the Royal Rumble in Florida, then Ambrose beats Sheamus for the Money in the Bank briefcase at Fastlane. Boom.

If they go with a Triple Threat as the main event, I could see Rollins somehow snaking it out with the World Title. Will they have him bust the 434 day mark? I'm not sure, but I can definitely see them being really stubborn with the length of this thing.
So basically what cynick said that got shit on as trolling?
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So basically what cynick said that got shit on as trolling?
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That's a big problem right there. People think days as champion=quality. The Rock was champion for a short time frame each time he had it but still made it important chasing and defending the title.
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I think a week before JR was saying he likes where WWE is heading with Rollins. Compared it to early HBK days if I recall.

I think JR might be just trying to appease his audience there. Similar to what Foley does.
You think JR said that? I dont recall reading it but....
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Hmm, wow just learned that rock only had one reign over 100 days.
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When you look at title reigns things can be odd in hindsight. Rock title wins felt big when they happened but he never held it for long.

Also cena's 12 reigns with the wwe title add up to 1240 days so virtually a three month average and way less when you consider two of his reigns took up over half of that time (660).
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You think JR said that? I dont recall reading it but....
I could be wrong. But i just recall reading JR being critical of Rollins booking and thinking he was not too long ago saying how people should be patient with his booking and seth reminds him of a heel HBK.

It's entirely possible i made it up though
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Yes JR said both things.
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